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Worse to watch, better to race.
Better to race or just easier?
Everyone uses them it’s fine. I don’t believe we’d see drastically different results if we got rid of them.
I do think the electronics packages factory teams have the use of is a competitive advantage, but I would doubt we see any limitations on this like only allowing the use of one map in the race for example.
Wouldn't say easier, but more consistent.
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I'm thinking the sport as a whole, Amateur races at Chicken Licks all the way to Supercross.
I say get rid of them. They make it even easier to get a good start but everyone pretty much has one so who cares.
They also add some more danger, everyone is closer going into the first turn and you always have the chance of it not releasing and then you're along for the ride at some point.
Steve?
You said it exactly. ‘Everyone uses them so who cares’
can anyone actually show data that starts are more dangerous then before? Or is it all recency bias? Without devices riders are more likely to wheelie, which could cause an accident just as easily.
At the local race level I think it matters even less, a good starter without it will hole shot a poor starter with one everytime.
Just seems like common sense doesn't it...if everyone is much closer together going into the first turn there is a higher chance to get tangled up and wreck.
Does anyone have data for folks getting hurt from looping out off starts pre and post holeshot devices?
Do you have any data that riders are closer going into the first turn? You’re the one that’s arguing to get rid of them. You have to prove they are more dangerous. Which is impossible to do because there is no control group to many varaiables have changed along with the addition of start hooks.
as far as the analogy I was just pointing out how easy it is to argue the other side and that it doesn’t prove anything without data.
I have one, I never seem to latch it. I pull holeshots in my class all the time40+ VET B. I think most people would get better starts if they actually shifted their bikes properly on the start straight...sshhh..dont tell anyone..haha
I don't have data, but I do have common sense.
Do you have enough common sense to understand that if everyone has a device to make it easier to get out of the gate they are going to be closer together at the first turn?
Just think about it for 5 seconds and get back to me.
Agree 100% at the local level
Worse.
All it's done is reduce the amount of skill it requires to rip a gnarly holeshot.
I just don’t think that you can throw a blanket over it like that. If you gave riders 21-40 on the grate a start device and 1-20 no start device I think it would probably be tighter. But if everyone is starting at the same point the riders are still gonna separate themselves. The hook doesn’t mask a mistake or poor technique. Arguing to get rid of them is kind of like yelling at clouds. 🤷🏼♂️
At the local level I don’t think it matters one bit.
I never understood why anyone would want to risk a mechanical lock on such an important piece of equipment like suspension, particularly front suspension.
Is there any other motorsport where a similar device is used ?
LB, you know you have one. And you dont even race.
Moto gp uses a system on the rear suspension but nothing on the front to my knowledge.
MotoGP uses a front and rear start device, but it is electronic, not mechanical. (they turn a switch and the front end lowers, they flick a different switch and the rear end lowers)
Pit Row
i miss shitty startin gates and bad rut gates etc...
we can get rid of whoops and dragonsback with no evidence, guess you dont need evidence to get rid of holeshot devices
I dont mind holeshot devices but think it would be better without grids
They’ve been around long enough now that everyone is comfortable that they work reliably.
How would the races be different if noone was allowed to use them?
If everyone is using them then there is zero advantage. Hate to woulda shoulda coulda but if Buyten’s holeshot device didn‘t stick, good chance he doesn’t swap out at Thunder Valley.
moto gp
front is still mechanical
I don’t need no stinking hole shot device, launch control, traction control or any other gimmicks. I’ve been doing it old-school from the beginning; and I pulled four holeshots at Mammoth one weekend
They are fuckin stupid. Pretty confident that nothing will ever change my mind on that.
Common sense? Common sense says it’s dumb af to have race start that funnels 40 riders into a single turn. If you really want to eliminate first turn pileups, go to a staggered start. But who wants to see that??
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