Glen Helen reaching out to Gypsytales for interview - UPDATE !!

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If Cookesy is on GH side of the argument then there goes any credibility GH had.

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I get a lot of you guys don't like him, can't say I'm a fan either. The problem is the guy has been right whether you...

I get a lot of you guys don't like him, can't say I'm a fan either. The problem is the guy has been right whether you like it or not.  He simply lays out what Glenn Helen has put out on there site I believe. I knew I could get some of you riled up over it. 

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Yeah he’s totally unbiased and never takes shots at DC and MXSports because of his personal issues with them…

Sounds like you're calling the kettle black mr. I hate wsx and cooksey. Last time you were proved wrong and went all crazy on me you admitted your bias towards cooksey and you hate the guy. 

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6/21/2024 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2024 6:02pm
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I get it’s a cool track to watch for us fans but ask a retired pro who has had to race it and I think they...

I get it’s a cool track to watch for us fans but ask a retired pro who has had to race it and I think they usually say it’s sketchy and dangerous and they hated it. 
DC seems like that guy people like to bash but when he’s gone those same people will realize he was adding a lot of value and will miss him.

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It's not always liking to bash someone when you don't agree with them. Davey has done a tremendous amount for the sport and when he leaves...

It's not always liking to bash someone when you don't agree with them. Davey has done a tremendous amount for the sport and when he leaves it my guess is it will be in better shape than he found it. That being said I don't agree with everything he does or has done. If the way the MX Sports deal came about is how Bud says it did, that is a pretty snaky deal. It's perfectly okay to like what someone has done overall but not like the way they do everything. People seem to think you gotta be a hater or a nut hugger with no in between. 

As I recall…In early 2008 Daytona Motorsports Group(DMG) bought the promotional and sanctioning rights to all AMA Pro Racing with the exception of SX…which I think belonged to Live Nation at the time. I remember hearing all of this…coincidentally…while we were in Daytona for the SX. I remember it all too well! That was the year I was sponsoring Jiri Dostal…it rained…it was a helluva race. 

Laughing

So, it seems to me that that all of this doesn’t jive with Bud’s version of the story. The series was purchased and a new company was hired to manage it. 

Someone can go Google all of this and get more specifics since I’m just posting this from memory. 

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acres951 wrote:
I get it’s a cool track to watch for us fans but ask a retired pro who has had to race it and I think they...

I get it’s a cool track to watch for us fans but ask a retired pro who has had to race it and I think they usually say it’s sketchy and dangerous and they hated it. 
DC seems like that guy people like to bash but when he’s gone those same people will realize he was adding a lot of value and will miss him.

McG194 wrote:
It's not always liking to bash someone when you don't agree with them. Davey has done a tremendous amount for the sport and when he leaves...

It's not always liking to bash someone when you don't agree with them. Davey has done a tremendous amount for the sport and when he leaves it my guess is it will be in better shape than he found it. That being said I don't agree with everything he does or has done. If the way the MX Sports deal came about is how Bud says it did, that is a pretty snaky deal. It's perfectly okay to like what someone has done overall but not like the way they do everything. People seem to think you gotta be a hater or a nut hugger with no in between. 

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As I recall…In early 2008 Daytona Motorsports Group(DMG) bought the promotional and sanctioning rights to all AMA Pro Racing with the exception of SX…which I think...

As I recall…In early 2008 Daytona Motorsports Group(DMG) bought the promotional and sanctioning rights to all AMA Pro Racing with the exception of SX…which I think belonged to Live Nation at the time. I remember hearing all of this…coincidentally…while we were in Daytona for the SX. I remember it all too well! That was the year I was sponsoring Jiri Dostal…it rained…it was a helluva race. 

Laughing

So, it seems to me that that all of this doesn’t jive with Bud’s version of the story. The series was purchased and a new company was hired to manage it. 

Someone can go Google all of this and get more specifics since I’m just posting this from memory. 

DC talks about it in this week's Racerhead.

https://racerxonline.com/2024/06/21/racerhead-25

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A few things to point out and ask. 

1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California? 

2. Why is a night race completely off the table? 

 

Swan MX in Tyler, TX is a world class facility with amazing dirt, really good terrain undulation, right off of a main interstate. And has lights already set up, would need minimal additional lighting for TV. 

Lastly, if the first round was held in the southeast in mid to late May, the average temperature is 87° but since for whatever reason the series has to start in CA it puts that off the table. 

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You instantly trust a Facebook post from a guy who tries to make a professional post but calls people cronies and then proceeds to tell us...

You instantly trust a Facebook post from a guy who tries to make a professional post but calls people cronies and then proceeds to tell us how his marriage fell apart in the same story? Maybe his marriage fell apart for the same reasons he had problems dealing with GH...maybe he's the problem considering his wife had enough of his shit too lol

its quite easy to tell from a post whos genuine and whos a bit of a douchebag. For exapmle , youre a bit of a douchebag

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A few things to point out and ask.  1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California?  2. Why is a night race completely off...

A few things to point out and ask. 

1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California? 

2. Why is a night race completely off the table? 

 

Swan MX in Tyler, TX is a world class facility with amazing dirt, really good terrain undulation, right off of a main interstate. And has lights already set up, would need minimal additional lighting for TV. 

Lastly, if the first round was held in the southeast in mid to late May, the average temperature is 87° but since for whatever reason the series has to start in CA it puts that off the table. 

Because California is where most of the industry is based out of, close to a lot of the teams HQs where they park the semis. Makes everything easier to start and end the year that way for those guys. 

 

They did a night national in Colorado in ‘08 and maybe ‘09? I’d guess it cost too much for lighting and even then the lighting is still sketchy on a national track. 

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A few things to point out and ask.  1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California?  2. Why is a night race completely off...

A few things to point out and ask. 

1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California? 

2. Why is a night race completely off the table? 

 

Swan MX in Tyler, TX is a world class facility with amazing dirt, really good terrain undulation, right off of a main interstate. And has lights already set up, would need minimal additional lighting for TV. 

Lastly, if the first round was held in the southeast in mid to late May, the average temperature is 87° but since for whatever reason the series has to start in CA it puts that off the table. 

Exactly what I am talking about. This fairy tale we are told that Texas and the southeast is entirely closed for any outdoor events from May until September every year is ridiculous.

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A few things to point out and ask.  1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California?  2. Why is a night race completely off...

A few things to point out and ask. 

1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California? 

2. Why is a night race completely off the table? 

 

Swan MX in Tyler, TX is a world class facility with amazing dirt, really good terrain undulation, right off of a main interstate. And has lights already set up, would need minimal additional lighting for TV. 

Lastly, if the first round was held in the southeast in mid to late May, the average temperature is 87° but since for whatever reason the series has to start in CA it puts that off the table. 

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Exactly what I am talking about. This fairy tale we are told that Texas and the southeast is entirely closed for any outdoor events from May...

Exactly what I am talking about. This fairy tale we are told that Texas and the southeast is entirely closed for any outdoor events from May until September every year is ridiculous.

The Teams just finished SX two weeks before and need time to reset before jumping right back on the road.  It makes sense with most Teams still being based there and those that aren't have shops there or access to space.  The SE nationals have not ben successful for whatever reasons and they have tried with Texas, WW, and Muddy Creek.  Much of it has to do with fan turnout also......the same reason there is not a history or SX success in FL other than Daytona.  Not sure all the details, but I live in Utah and the one here didn't work either.

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A few things to point out and ask.  1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California?  2. Why is a night race completely off...

A few things to point out and ask. 

1. Why do the nationals HAVE to start in California? 

2. Why is a night race completely off the table? 

 

Swan MX in Tyler, TX is a world class facility with amazing dirt, really good terrain undulation, right off of a main interstate. And has lights already set up, would need minimal additional lighting for TV. 

Lastly, if the first round was held in the southeast in mid to late May, the average temperature is 87° but since for whatever reason the series has to start in CA it puts that off the table. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Exactly what I am talking about. This fairy tale we are told that Texas and the southeast is entirely closed for any outdoor events from May...

Exactly what I am talking about. This fairy tale we are told that Texas and the southeast is entirely closed for any outdoor events from May until September every year is ridiculous.

The Teams just finished SX two weeks before and need time to reset before jumping right back on the road.  It makes sense with most Teams...

The Teams just finished SX two weeks before and need time to reset before jumping right back on the road.  It makes sense with most Teams still being based there and those that aren't have shops there or access to space.  The SE nationals have not ben successful for whatever reasons and they have tried with Texas, WW, and Muddy Creek.  Much of it has to do with fan turnout also......the same reason there is not a history or SX success in FL other than Daytona.  Not sure all the details, but I live in Utah and the one here didn't work either.

There seems to be this weird attitude of "we went there for 2 years and didn't make 10x profit, time to dump em." 

Outside of core moto fans there was absolutely zero promoting for Freestone. Not to mention Blountville, TN is in the middle of absolutely nowhere. 

I don't even know if Swan MX would even be interested in hosting. But, the infrastructure is there. Tyler is a medium sized city. It's only 2 hours from Dallas the whole drive is on a major interstate (I-20). 1.5 hours from Shreveport. 3 hours from Houston. There are plenty of hotel rooms and amenities. Good elevation for fans to see the track, a lot of trees for shade. 

But ya, MX Sports would need to promote it and invest for a few years. Can't just expect to flip a profit immediately. 

Utah was just a terrible track. 

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6/22/2024 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/22/2024 12:50pm
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Do you really think any media platform will post a negative story about anything MX Sports does? If they won't, then that is controlling the narrative...

Do you really think any media platform will post a negative story about anything MX Sports does? If they won't, then that is controlling the narrative. How many media outlets came out on the side of the kid that claimed and didn't get Deegan's bike? 

 

Note: I'm not anti-Davey I did say that he will most likely leave the sport better than he found it. If you look at any racing series in the world like F1 with Ecclestone then the current group or NASCAR with the France's they are controlled good or bad by one entity and descension is looked down upon. Most racing organizations seem to run under the benevolent dictator model and maybe that is the best way to run one. Racers come and go, the sport is forever.

I look forward to hearing Bud's side but that doesn't mean I will believe everything he says either. I've dealt with people like that who sign a contract and break it at every turn for their own betterment. Listen to both sides of a dispute, ask yourself what their motivation is and then make your decision on where the truth is, it's usually somewhere in the middle. 

 

Sometimes the truth is in the middle, most times one person is being a dick and the other is just trying to survive and/or get on with things.

I am far more likely to believe the guy who has multiple successful relationships with track owners, over many years than one guy who has multiple stories about how hard he is to deal with.

RE DC "Controlling the narrative"... just because people work for him and do other pod and media jobs, doesn't mean HE controls the narrative...sure people won't want to upset the guy that employs them but that's on them, it doesn't mean DC is pulling the strings and telling them what they can and can't say.

Does your boss control your narrative?

I don't know about you but my bosses have never controlled mine. Like most people, I will say what I feel. Sure it may be in a manner that isn't direct and confrontational, as I still want to keep my job but I'll still say it.

Mathis and others have many times said what they do and don't like at Nationals, SX etc.

Regarding the Deegan bike business, I've just been re-watching a lot of that lately.

THAT was a total disgrace across the board, BUT I think that was a case of most of them being too deep in the scene to be able to understand the outlier of a situation that it was. I also think that most of them just couldn't see the people they knew behaving the way they did, when in actual fact they had. Just disgraceful. (I would love an update on how the kids doing and what happened in terms of blowback etc since).

However, that one example has nothing to do with DC.
 

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I say get Mitch Payton and Roger DeCoster to negotiate with Bud Feldkamp, with the goal of hosting a national there again.  That should work.

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welp, GH is getting pissed.

so they typed up a complete timeline and released a breakdown of the "proposal" from DC and co.
https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

 

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welp, GH is getting pissed.

so they typed up a complete timeline and released a breakdown of the "proposal" from DC and co.
https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

 

This is what cookseys video was about. Just saying they released this on their website. 

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welp, GH is getting pissed.

so they typed up a complete timeline and released a breakdown of the "proposal" from DC and co.
https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

 

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This is what cookseys video was about. Just saying they released this on their website. 

This is what cookseys video was about. Just saying they released this on their website. 

...and I know vital is supposed to hate cooksey, but he's not wrong in his last vid: once the mfgs see how much DC is raking in, they might start asking questions about why it costs them so much to go racing. Because without them, DC got nada. They control everything, and apparently these financial #s were under wraps till GH posted 'em.

btw - wasn't there another thread about DC explaining to Gypsy Tales his side of the story?

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welp, GH is getting pissed.

so they typed up a complete timeline and released a breakdown of the "proposal" from DC and co.
https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

 

Farmer J wrote:
This is what cookseys video was about. Just saying they released this on their website. 

This is what cookseys video was about. Just saying they released this on their website. 

...and I know vital is supposed to hate cooksey, but he's not wrong in his last vid: once the mfgs see how much DC is raking...

...and I know vital is supposed to hate cooksey, but he's not wrong in his last vid: once the mfgs see how much DC is raking in, they might start asking questions about why it costs them so much to go racing. Because without them, DC got nada. They control everything, and apparently these financial #s were under wraps till GH posted 'em.

btw - wasn't there another thread about DC explaining to Gypsy Tales his side of the story?

I'm not sure if he's wrong or right. But in the last video the only thing I really picked out was he was saying gh released this on their site. One thing I do know is the ones that complain cooksey is biased are also biased themselves. I believe there was. 

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Why now, all these years later is this coming up again? I figured both partie had moved on.

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

You mean the one that's in the Dumbgeon?

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

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You mean the one that's in the Dumbgeon?

Did you read that dude's ramblings? 

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wish this one got bumped to dumgeon its accomplished nothing..and cocksey at this point is taking the crown as the most annoying person associated with mx and thats pretty hard to accomplish

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I say get Mitch Payton and Roger DeCoster to negotiate with Bud Feldkamp, with the goal of hosting a national there again.  That should work.

You mean like the last time? And that failed?

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

DC said it was prematurely posted and was supposed to be in its own post next week, not Racerhead. Should be up next week.

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

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DC said it was prematurely posted and was supposed to be in its own post next week, not Racerhead. Should be up next week.

And someone tried to say DC doesn't control moto media lol. 

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

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DC said it was prematurely posted and was supposed to be in its own post next week, not Racerhead. Should be up next week.

And someone tried to say DC doesn't control moto media lol. 

I like ML, but I was thinking the same thing lol. 

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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't really want a National. If they or he did it would be on the calendar. You can't expect the AMA/ and the people involved with the Nationals to make the type of concessions and give everything the Glenn Helen people are demanding for them to host a National. Every other promoter would step up and demand the same and it would be a shit show. You can say what you want about the Coombs, I think they do what they can when it comes to having a good schedule.

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ML512 wrote:

DC said it was prematurely posted and was supposed to be in its own post next week, not Racerhead. Should be up next week.

And someone tried to say DC doesn't control moto media lol. 

joshd wrote:

I like ML, but I was thinking the same thing lol. 

you said it - I didn't. 

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Wish TFS was here for this.

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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't...

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't really want a National. If they or he did it would be on the calendar. You can't expect the AMA/ and the people involved with the Nationals to make the type of concessions and give everything the Glenn Helen people are demanding for them to host a National. Every other promoter would step up and demand the same and it would be a shit show. You can say what you want about the Coombs, I think they do what they can when it comes to having a good schedule.

There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we have to consider how much money is being made by MX Sports at the end of the day and how much money track owners are making for holding an event, after all of the costs. Add on the improvements to the facility that MX Sports is asking for too. 

* Gate fees/ spectators

* Pit parking costs for racers/ teams

* Parking fees for spectators 

* Concessions/ souvenir sales 

These are some of the major things that bring revenue at the races, that from what I’ve heard are all controlled by MX Sports for the nationals. 

 

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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't...

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't really want a National. If they or he did it would be on the calendar. You can't expect the AMA/ and the people involved with the Nationals to make the type of concessions and give everything the Glenn Helen people are demanding for them to host a National. Every other promoter would step up and demand the same and it would be a shit show. You can say what you want about the Coombs, I think they do what they can when it comes to having a good schedule.

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There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we...

There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we have to consider how much money is being made by MX Sports at the end of the day and how much money track owners are making for holding an event, after all of the costs. Add on the improvements to the facility that MX Sports is asking for too. 

* Gate fees/ spectators

* Pit parking costs for racers/ teams

* Parking fees for spectators 

* Concessions/ souvenir sales 

These are some of the major things that bring revenue at the races, that from what I’ve heard are all controlled by MX Sports for the nationals. 

 

in case you missed it, Bud lays out the financials on his website:

https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

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