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I think ML is great but I definitely agree he was trying to control the narrative for whatever reason.
Its not uncommon, we've got one where I am that's in sand, probaby 50ft up, not straight down, but would be difficult to walk, and tree's at the bottom. Bad if you didn't know about it.
One is nothing like the other. I may have been absent for a while, but I came specifically to this conversation with my known name, not under the cover of an anonymous screen name. I’m quite sure mxxcdez (who let his cat walk across his keyboard to get his screen name) has an account on here that is a bit less anonymous.
It's not a cliff, here it is. And regardless, even if it's similar to a steep "cliff" it's irrelevant because the videos I posted back on page 5 prove you don't need steep drop off to fly 20+ feet in the air and land in the flats, or smash into a wall and die. Those berms weren't more than 6t feet high yet those guys whiskey throttled and launched themselves to the moon. It will happen with any sized berm, and it can happen on any large jump. There are large mounds all over the track where if someone launches off the side they will also do 20+ feet to flat.
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Gotta love all the moto tough guys in here. There is zero reason to have drop offs like that that close to the track. All the clowns up in arms over the lawsuit guarantee will be singing a different tone if that was your kid. How many walked the track and never knew that drop was there? More than likely alot. Its a corner. People arent examining them that closely. There wasnt a proper safety lane period. A kids life was changed from something that could of been easily fixed with a dozer. Its inexcusable.
Why should it be the beginning of the end of X Brand?
Cancel culture can fuck off.
Look at the whole infield of parking behind that berm, they are staring right at the back side of the berm, in plain sight. Everyone down there can clearly see it, and it had been there awhile. This wasn't a first day/first moto situation for that berm. Literally thousands of riders had passed it without issue before the accident.
The reason is the same reason there is (STILL) an X brand banner at the top of the page.
Hence the Steve Matthes Memorial Nets. The irony here is too much to even consider typing out.
Because actions has consequences. Many individuals here do not agree with suing a track and what they do with their votes (dollars) will reflect that.
There’s also the deeper answer of being conscious of the energy exchange that is money.
Karma is real.
Good luck to RT, X Brand, and the media bros.
The pics posted are the berm in question. This is the moto that the incident happened in. Go to 7:45 and you can see him laying there.
Been in Ca. 7 years and rode 38 of 52 weekends last year and have never seen anyone walk the track prior to riding. Never. Most people do a sight lap and check out the track obstacles and not the million ways you can get hurt by going off track. It’s just not that common and can understand the complacency and sucks that things like this don’t come to light until “after” something happens. Don’t own, never, have, any EKS brand goggles not sure why as I always thought RT was a good dude and again I am not going to judge because I am sure he has his reasons, that we’ll never know. I’ve had to pick my son up off an arena floor and I can tell you, “fear” does some crazy shit to your brain so I’ll give him that pass atleast…
I’m not out canceling him because he hurt my feelings or has different politics. Wouldn’t bother me one bit if his brand booms. Hell I don’t even like his googles so I wasn’t a customer before. The one pair I got to try I hated. You can do whatever you want to do. My personal opinion is he came after his own industry and that’s a big no no. I’m guessing most agree with me. If not that’s fine too.
Sucks his kid got hurt and I’m sure it is and has been a tough recovery
BUT his sons IG account showing him back on the bike and riding to this day since 2018 probably should have been disabled before that statement was put out. Sounded like he wouldn’t have a normal life but dude is out here ripping.
Tough look imo
Really? I assumed the same based on that statement he put out.....or maybe it's not the same son?
It’s the right son. He even has posts from the hospital. https://www.instagram.com/zachtaylor341?igsh=MTl4b2FlZDkxajV6bQ==
Hmm, MX which is motocross., XC for (cross country) and Dez for umm desert. That's what I've done for over 25 years. My Bio says more than yours. It doesn't matter anyway, you just want to keep perpetuating your hate on someone you don't even know. Stop trying to ruin peoples lives. I'm pretty sure none of this will affect you personally.
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DanDunes username tells his bio. Unlike your “cute” username.
Would have probably been better to make that private before putting out that statement..... back on the bike before the lawsuit filed.... his own explanation of the crash also not helping.....
My bad 1911 Motocross "S" World Champion. DanDunes I'm sorry for explaining my cute name. Is that about the right amount of sarcasm and childish response for this post? In all seriousness, DanDunes818 I respect that you are here to share your opinion. I'm just bummed that our motocross family can be so hateful. To each their own I guess.
I was wondering when folks would pick up on this.
Wow, this is exactly why I've been wanting to see where this happened and actual photos of the berm "cliff". I had no idea this video was from the race and that you can actually see the downed rider. You can see the whisky throttle mark at the bottom of the berm, and also the mark where he launched off the top of the berm.
But for the most important part of this whole incident for anyone forming opinions or still wondering, did he fall off a cliff or did he air to flat??? Based on the footage and visuals it seems pretty clear what happened. Unless this is not the actual video, the actual berm, or the downed rider, please let us know otherwise.
that looks like a lot of grade on the back side of that berm to be called a cliff........
"Charging into a turn"
"Missed the brake"
"Jumped off the bike"
Three verbs that indicate the actions, and therefore the consequences, were HIS OWN CHOICES.
Everything about that berm says don’t get squirrelly before it or you’re going Doug Henry Budds Creek ‘95 on it. Glen Helen’s downhills on a Thursday with the braking bumps from the pros seems way sketchier than this tho tbh, the berm doesn’t even look bad, just don’t go over it.
Where is the “30 foot” cliff?
I wonder how much Rick Ryan got paid for his expert testimony?
In their defense there was a big downslope directly behind the center of the berm all way down to the flat. But in this case he totally aired out and cleared the downslope by a mile. With that said it's not like he went over the top of the berm and "fell down a cliff" as what I first understood after reading the statement. The fact that it was on a downhill made it worse obviously with the slope downward behind the berm, but like many have said in this thread it could have happened on any jump or any berm on the track and the result would be similar. The guy died in that video I posted on page 5 on a much smaller berm built completely on the flats.
The issue I think everyone has with this is that there are a million scenarios you could point out that are dangerous or deadly on a track and all it takes is one freak accident to expose that specific area. Freak accidents happen, and that's why they are called accidents. Any rider entering the track and or entering a race, and signs a waiver is aware of these dangers and potential for injury or death. And if they crash as a result of their own mistake it should be on the rider, not the track owners.
It would have turned a 40 foot "cliff" if he upshifted...
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