Triumph Racing and Evan Ferry Part Ways

5/28/2024 8:05am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2024 8:07am
Regis wrote:
Yeah, I think you can make it make sense too if you actually thought about it.    Maybe his contractual obligation  didn’t allow him to race...

Yeah, I think you can make it make sense too if you actually thought about it. 
 

Maybe his contractual obligation  didn’t allow him to race the “other” brands. Maybe going to Loretta’s was a last minute decision to go because everyone knew he needed to be racing. Maybe going to the futures races on “other” brands was to simply get his points so he could be eligible for SX out of necessity.

2nd at the Ironman combine behind Hymas. 2022.  But I’m sure for some reason that doesn’t count as a good result to vital warriors 

Maybe he wanted to race more SX and wasn’t able to. Why does everyone assume he didn’t want to?

the one thing for sure is out of 70 or more people that signed up for Pala, he got behind two gate drops and will go forward.  It’s not like his speed was 37th fastest. Racing circumstances happened and he soldiered on. 

150ripper wrote:
"it's not like his speed was 37th fastest."     Right he was 30th fastest lmao. He's 10 seconds off the leaders every lap. Name one...

"it's not like his speed was 37th fastest."

 

Right he was 30th fastest lmao. He's 10 seconds off the leaders every lap. Name one racer that came from that far down to be a top ten guy. You can't. 

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Weston Peick

Weston finished top 10 in his first pro race, and in the 450 class.

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kawasa84 wrote:
Riders can progress as pros. Some just a little, and some a lot. Deegan progressed a lot since his SX Futures race where he rode wild...

Riders can progress as pros. Some just a little, and some a lot. Deegan progressed a lot since his SX Futures race where he rode wild and unrefined. Plus he simply didn't have the speed. 

Ferry is different for sure. But I'm taking a patient outlook on him. I actually want him to succeed, and hope he can have good luck as well. I'll wait and reserve judgement until the season is done. 

I find it way to harsh how some on here have bashed him. As a father myself, I'm sure some of what's been written here would be hurtful to Tim and his wife. People are way too judge mental on a young guy just starting out in the pros in an extremely hard sport.

 

Correct! I don't understand alot of the people here. This is the kids first go at the nationals and it wasnt to hot.. however he still has a long career ahead of him and will improve and be better… also people may not know the hardships they don't speak of. So It's best to step back, and observe with couth, For he hasnt had a moment of truth yet.

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Isn't this all a wee bit the fault of Matthes soft balls towards his best friends kid? And after that "interview" he all made the move...

Isn't this all a wee bit the fault of Matthes soft balls towards his best friends kid? And after that "interview" he all made the move "understandable" and "clear" for us idiots by implying that Triumph has no parts and was run poorly. Now we "normal idiots" see bikes being delivered at dealerships and the poorly run team is scoring more than decent results for a "rookie team". The only bad thing that I've heard is that the 450cc engine/frame is behind on schedule.

Spoonguy wrote:
Exactly, Triumph's effort has looked pretty good despite how shitty Matthes insists that it is. Perhaps his insistence is based on the Ferry family perspective. Reading...

Exactly, Triumph's effort has looked pretty good despite how shitty Matthes insists that it is. Perhaps his insistence is based on the Ferry family perspective. Reading between the lines, because nobody tells the complete story, it appears Triumph didn't give as much effort or support to Ferry because he wasn't putting in the effort or had the pace of Swoll and Savatgy. I think everybody needs to be clear as well that the speed of a person on a motorcycle is in no way a statement of the quality of the individual. Young Mr. Ferry could very well be a great kid with a bright future, who happens to not have national caliber level speed. Nothing wrong with that.

I get you are talking about the interview, but Steve has not said Triumph is doing shitty in any way, actually quite the opposite.  The Brand...

I get you are talking about the interview, but Steve has not said Triumph is doing shitty in any way, actually quite the opposite.  The Brand is absolutely crushing it for being a brand new platform.  

You heard a different monologue than me. In the one I heard he went to the extent of directly insulting the team manager.

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5/28/2024 9:43am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2024 9:57am
kawasa84 wrote:
Riders can progress as pros. Some just a little, and some a lot. Deegan progressed a lot since his SX Futures race where he rode wild...

Riders can progress as pros. Some just a little, and some a lot. Deegan progressed a lot since his SX Futures race where he rode wild and unrefined. Plus he simply didn't have the speed. 

Ferry is different for sure. But I'm taking a patient outlook on him. I actually want him to succeed, and hope he can have good luck as well. I'll wait and reserve judgement until the season is done. 

I find it way to harsh how some on here have bashed him. As a father myself, I'm sure some of what's been written here would be hurtful to Tim and his wife. People are way too judge mental on a young guy just starting out in the pros in an extremely hard sport.

 

Correct! I don't understand alot of the people here. This is the kids first go at the nationals and it wasnt to hot.. however he still...

Correct! I don't understand alot of the people here. This is the kids first go at the nationals and it wasnt to hot.. however he still has a long career ahead of him and will improve and be better… also people may not know the hardships they don't speak of. So It's best to step back, and observe with couth, For he hasnt had a moment of truth yet.

Problem is the hardships he DID speak of. Mostly the fact he couldn't post whips to get shallow validation on the internet. A little hyberbolic? Yeah. But listen to the Pulp interview and draw your own conclusions. Steve set the bar for when he does show up, and he did NOT perform.

He was on a factory team. Instead of leaving OR being let go, and then putting his head down and showing up and getting points, which you'd think a former factory rider could do, he performed absolutely terribly.

Is he a bad kid? Nope. Is there a lot of drama following him and the teams he's been on? Nope.

Does there seem to be a passion and dedication to put in absolutely everything he can? Also, nope.

Side note: Andy, I get you're a family friend defending and trying to put positivity out there for a kid you probably see as a little brother or nephew, but man he's not doing you any favors with his interviews or results.

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kawasa84 wrote:
Riders can progress as pros. Some just a little, and some a lot. Deegan progressed a lot since his SX Futures race where he rode wild...

Riders can progress as pros. Some just a little, and some a lot. Deegan progressed a lot since his SX Futures race where he rode wild and unrefined. Plus he simply didn't have the speed. 

Ferry is different for sure. But I'm taking a patient outlook on him. I actually want him to succeed, and hope he can have good luck as well. I'll wait and reserve judgement until the season is done. 

I find it way to harsh how some on here have bashed him. As a father myself, I'm sure some of what's been written here would be hurtful to Tim and his wife. People are way too judge mental on a young guy just starting out in the pros in an extremely hard sport.

 

Correct! I don't understand alot of the people here. This is the kids first go at the nationals and it wasnt to hot.. however he still...

Correct! I don't understand alot of the people here. This is the kids first go at the nationals and it wasnt to hot.. however he still has a long career ahead of him and will improve and be better… also people may not know the hardships they don't speak of. So It's best to step back, and observe with couth, For he hasnt had a moment of truth yet.

The hardships of getting a factory ride because of who your father is and then getting upset you can't throw whips on Instagram? 

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FGR01 wrote:
I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered...

I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered bike.

He has a Twisted engine so it’s as good as it gets for a privateer. Not factory level obviously but it’s pretty good.

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FGR01 wrote:
I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered...

I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered bike.

romain524 wrote:

He has a Twisted engine so it’s as good as it gets for a privateer. Not factory level obviously but it’s pretty good.

Look at Coty Schocks race this week. It’s hard to overcome factory power outdoors no matter how good the rider is. The best thing he can do is get laps in and build a base all summer and show up indoors ready to do something. It’s going to be hard with as high profile of a name and situation for him to just log laps and not worry about the noise. Self inflicted or not. The kids in a tough spot

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5/28/2024 9:52pm
FGR01 wrote:
I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered...

I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered bike.

romain524 wrote:

He has a Twisted engine so it’s as good as it gets for a privateer. Not factory level obviously but it’s pretty good.

chasetwo79 wrote:
Look at Coty Schocks race this week. It’s hard to overcome factory power outdoors no matter how good the rider is. The best thing he can...

Look at Coty Schocks race this week. It’s hard to overcome factory power outdoors no matter how good the rider is. The best thing he can do is get laps in and build a base all summer and show up indoors ready to do something. It’s going to be hard with as high profile of a name and situation for him to just log laps and not worry about the noise. Self inflicted or not. The kids in a tough spot

Cody went 19-17 man. Literally TWENTY places better than Ferry. A factory motor ain't going to make that difference.

His spot is self-inflicted. That's why ALMOST everyone has little to no sympathy for him. If he had put something out there about how Triumph just wasn't a good fit, but he was super thankful for the opportunity and he will take what he learned and just race, I think people would be pulling for him.

 

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Cody went 19-17 man. Literally TWENTY places better than Ferry. A factory motor ain't going to make that difference. His spot is self-inflicted. That's why ALMOST...

Cody went 19-17 man. Literally TWENTY places better than Ferry. A factory motor ain't going to make that difference.

His spot is self-inflicted. That's why ALMOST everyone has little to no sympathy for him. If he had put something out there about how Triumph just wasn't a good fit, but he was super thankful for the opportunity and he will take what he learned and just race, I think people would be pulling for him.

 

I mean... isn't that kinda what he did?

Seems like he was pretty upfront that it wasn't a good fit, it's just that the lynch mob has grabbed onto the comments he made about social media and is running with it...

It's very, very apparent that many people here have never been in a career situation to have to sign an NDA.

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5/29/2024 9:21am
Cody went 19-17 man. Literally TWENTY places better than Ferry. A factory motor ain't going to make that difference. His spot is self-inflicted. That's why ALMOST...

Cody went 19-17 man. Literally TWENTY places better than Ferry. A factory motor ain't going to make that difference.

His spot is self-inflicted. That's why ALMOST everyone has little to no sympathy for him. If he had put something out there about how Triumph just wasn't a good fit, but he was super thankful for the opportunity and he will take what he learned and just race, I think people would be pulling for him.

 

LungButter wrote:
I mean... isn't that kinda what he did? Seems like he was pretty upfront that it wasn't a good fit, it's just that the lynch mob...

I mean... isn't that kinda what he did?

Seems like he was pretty upfront that it wasn't a good fit, it's just that the lynch mob has grabbed onto the comments he made about social media and is running with it...

It's very, very apparent that many people here have never been in a career situation to have to sign an NDA.

In my opinion there was a lot of fluff added in his Pulp interview. I understand the NDA restricts what he can say, but what he DID say did him no favors.

The social media stuff he talked about isn't surface-level if you ask me. I have a 16 year old athlete, so I get that side of it, and I understand social media gratification and validation is a REAL thing to these kids, unfortunately. What I heard in that interview is without that he wasn't able to make progress and put in the work, which is another issue.

I don't know the kid or or his dad, and by all accounts they are quality people, but Evan himself just doesn't seem to have that x-factor of making it happen. He put the spotlight on himself and got in the fishbowl willingly by going on Pulp and trying to spin it whatever way. If the NDA was there and they knew all he was going to be able to say was what he said, then man I would have thought someone would have been wise enough to say don't do that interview....just put your head down and get ready to race.

 

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FGR01 wrote:
I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered...

I'm ignorant on this team he is on.   Is the bike capable?  Everyone knows the 250 class is not the place to be on an underpowered bike.

romain524 wrote:

He has a Twisted engine so it’s as good as it gets for a privateer. Not factory level obviously but it’s pretty good.

chasetwo79 wrote:
Look at Coty Schocks race this week. It’s hard to overcome factory power outdoors no matter how good the rider is. The best thing he can...

Look at Coty Schocks race this week. It’s hard to overcome factory power outdoors no matter how good the rider is. The best thing he can do is get laps in and build a base all summer and show up indoors ready to do something. It’s going to be hard with as high profile of a name and situation for him to just log laps and not worry about the noise. Self inflicted or not. The kids in a tough spot

It’s for sure really hard for a privateer to compete against factory bikes but to get points on a good privateer bike is possible. I think Coty needs to adjust to the pace of 250 outdoor that is higher and closer in speed. Those younger guys rides way different than the experienced 450 guys.

I had a few friends over the past 10 years scoring points with privateer 250 bikes and they had wayy less hype than Ferry.

For now I don’t think his bike is the issue to finish better. He can be 20th with the same bike.

 

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5 seconds off and faded after lap 3 unfortunately.

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The countdown to quitting is on.

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He'll set the record for most team changes before getting inside the top 20. 

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Not showing in Moto 2 

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5 seconds off and faded after lap 3 unfortunately.

If you fade after lap 3, you don't belong on the gate. 

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You have to want it, really want it. No one can want it for you. Ferry doesn’t want it. 

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Lasted 3 motos before quitting. 

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Lasted 3 motos before quitting. 

Unless there's a mechanical they somehow can't fix or he's injured, his name should at least be on the scoreboard. 

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Excuses coming in 3,2,1

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I don’t see Evan racing for very long. 

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Looks likes he’s gonna be asking do ya want fries with that order real soon 

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Complained couldnt post on Social Media, but now hasnt posted since May 24, and nothing mentioning Rd 1, trusting the process, back to work, nothing. Seems odd. Wish him luck and hopefully figures it out, but maybe he is realizing this isnt his dream. Time will tell. 

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6/1/2024 8:20pm

I think we are beating a dead horse at this point.

Howsaboot we just let this play out and see where he is at at the end of the season rather then doing a little dance every race on his grave?

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No reason to pile on fellas. Hopefully he keeps making the motos, it’ll get better. 

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6/1/2024 9:17pm

I get what the kid said on pulp was bad, but yall rooting for his demise says more about you. 

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I think we are beating a dead horse at this point. Howsaboot we just let this play out and see where he is at at the...

I think we are beating a dead horse at this point.

Howsaboot we just let this play out and see where he is at at the end of the season rather then doing a little dance every race on his grave?

Indeed, @ML512 maybe it is time to lock this topic up.

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Some riders just take longer to adjust to national race pace.

THE Jeff Ward, it took him 7 years to win the 125 National Championship!  If i remember correctly he was lapped 2 or 3 times at his first national (correct me if I am wrong)

Don't give up on the kid, our fellow MX brother.

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