No privateers on Beta or Triumph yet

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I’d guess it’s a little early to see a privateer show up at a high level on a Triumph or RX.  I’m of the opinion the 450 RX is fairly reliable, would seem to make reasonable sense for a privateer.  Or even a non factory team with some money behind it.

I guess it’s a little early but bet we see both brands in the future.  I don’t recall when Ducati will hit the US, 2025 comes to mind.  

I need to call the owner of a Beta dealership I know and see how they are selling and doing at a local level.  I think it’s pretty cool seeing new brands come into the sport.  I’d bet we aren’t to far off from a Chinese brand to compete here in the US.

 

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Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

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LungButter wrote:

Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

I thought someone posted they had one but I can’t recall where it was, could have been across the pond.  I think the dealers say is coming soon.  

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LungButter wrote:

Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

Walked into a dealer yesterday and grabbed one. Availability is extremely spotty though

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Four arrived in Charleston, SC last week, picked up one Friday

 

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Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

That’s a good point.  I’m of the opinion Liqui Moly is making the strokes on the Beta factory team or a big part of it.  Wouldn’t surprise me that’s where contingency coin would come from……just a guess.

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5/14/2024 4:07pm

It will be interesting to see how things pan out based on the timing of their market entry.  It's not looking like a good time for Beta or Triumph to enter an oversaturated market of brands at a time when bikes are starting to collect dust on showroom floors.  Luckily they are both big established companies, and they'll be able to weather the storm.

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5/14/2024 4:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/14/2024 4:18pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

Contingency was the 1st thing I thought of too.

the other thing is lack of time for aftermarket parts to become available.

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LungButter wrote:

Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

I pick mine up Thursday....If I find the time, I can get it tomorrow. Going to Washougal Saturday and Sunday for the Classic 7.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research available solely aimed at the RX.

I'd love to be able to get the ecu tuned to move the power around a little on mine, but it's not really possible at this time. Plus with there being such a small amount of units around it doesn't make financial sense for Twisted or XPR to put any time in development. 

Don't even get me started on that $899 retail FMF slip-on.

Lil' D, where you at? Laughing

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5/14/2024 4:19pm
LungButter wrote:

Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

I saw a used one already, 4hrs on it, in NC. 

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It will be interesting to see how things pan out based on the timing of their market entry.  It's not looking like a good time for...

It will be interesting to see how things pan out based on the timing of their market entry.  It's not looking like a good time for Beta or Triumph to enter an oversaturated market of brands at a time when bikes are starting to collect dust on showroom floors.  Luckily they are both big established companies, and they'll be able to weather the storm.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how it works out.  To stray from my topic.  I think saving grace for Beta to move bikes will be their Rideabilty strategy.  Saving grace for dealers is the fact they don’t require dealers to floor plan.  You order the models you want to sell.  Beta builds them and ships them. If I had to guess Beta is using a proven just in time manufacturing strategy, Six-Sigma or similar.   

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LungButter wrote:

Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

I saw a used one already, 4hrs on it, in NC. 

Where in NC?

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It will be interesting to see how things pan out based on the timing of their market entry.  It's not looking like a good time for...

It will be interesting to see how things pan out based on the timing of their market entry.  It's not looking like a good time for Beta or Triumph to enter an oversaturated market of brands at a time when bikes are starting to collect dust on showroom floors.  Luckily they are both big established companies, and they'll be able to weather the storm.

wwdiii wrote:
Yeah it will be interesting to see how it works out.  To stray from my topic.  I think saving grace for Beta to move bikes will...

Yeah it will be interesting to see how it works out.  To stray from my topic.  I think saving grace for Beta to move bikes will be their Rideabilty strategy.  Saving grace for dealers is the fact they don’t require dealers to floor plan.  You order the models you want to sell.  Beta builds them and ships them. If I had to guess Beta is using a proven just in time manufacturing strategy, Six-Sigma or similar.   

The B.Y.O.B. part happens in Paso Robles, not in Italy. Beta USA orders their bikes from Italy in the numbers they want to sell and run the rest in-house. That's why they are desperate to get their new building finished and built out.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

avidchimp wrote:
Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research...

Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research available solely aimed at the RX.

I'd love to be able to get the ecu tuned to move the power around a little on mine, but it's not really possible at this time. Plus with there being such a small amount of units around it doesn't make financial sense for Twisted or XPR to put any time in development. 

Don't even get me started on that $899 retail FMF slip-on.

Lil' D, where you at? Laughing

They need an aftermarket ECU and 20-30 hours at Twisted!

💪🏼

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5/14/2024 4:43pm
LungButter wrote:

Can you even walk into a dealer and buy a Triumph yet?

I saw a used one already, 4hrs on it, in NC. 

lumpy790 wrote:

Where in NC?

Don’t remember exactly, was on the “mx yard sale” Facebook group 

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Not a big name privateer by any means but I’ll be out at Budds Creek trying to qualify. Got mine in Charleston SC. Broke it in this past weekend. 

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5/17/2024 10:35am
TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

We talked to the team at Triumph last year about some things related to a potential rider contingency program. They had some interesting and novel ideas.

I’m not entirely sure where it went but if I had to guess they probably just weren’t quite ready and needed to focus on the core race program this inaugural year.

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Why would you?  

 450 privateers-  Kawis are proven inexpensive competitive and have great contingency and parts.

250 privateers-  Yamahas  are proven and fast with minimum mods.

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Im a big Yamaha fan but man those triumphs with steel and kyb could be amazing.

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Im a big Yamaha fan but man those triumphs with steel and kyb could be amazing.

Frame is aluminum. But yea I think these bikes are going to be very well received. 

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pummel wrote:

Why would you?  

 450 privateers-  Kawis are proven inexpensive competitive and have great contingency and parts.

250 privateers-  Yamahas  are proven and fast with minimum mods.

I thought the same thing when I started this thread.

Only thing to your comments left out is at almost half the cost for a green bike!

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It’s BS that the supercross season is over and the production bikes are just now getting to paying customers. I like the production rule (we can argue about that somewhere else..) but it’s not effective unless bikes are available 8-10 weeks BEFORE the first race.
 

The AMA should hire Judge Judy to enforce the rule book.. cause they just ignore it whenever they want to now. 

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Gravel wrote:
It’s BS that the supercross season is over and the production bikes are just now getting to paying customers. I like the production rule (we can...

It’s BS that the supercross season is over and the production bikes are just now getting to paying customers. I like the production rule (we can argue about that somewhere else..) but it’s not effective unless bikes are available 8-10 weeks BEFORE the first race.
 

The AMA should hire Judge Judy to enforce the rule book.. cause they just ignore it whenever they want to now. 

The production rule is bullshit, no factory bikes would probably pass it anyway.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

avidchimp wrote:
Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research...

Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research available solely aimed at the RX.

I'd love to be able to get the ecu tuned to move the power around a little on mine, but it's not really possible at this time. Plus with there being such a small amount of units around it doesn't make financial sense for Twisted or XPR to put any time in development. 

Don't even get me started on that $899 retail FMF slip-on.

Lil' D, where you at? Laughing

I looked this up…using the 480 that’s all that o could find that’s comparable at the moment…

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Meister wrote:

Im a big Yamaha fan but man those triumphs with steel and kyb could be amazing.

soggy wrote:

Frame is aluminum. But yea I think these bikes are going to be very well received. 

Whoops. Brain fart. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
Does it pay to ride either one… …yet?  Emphasis on “pay”.  Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in… That’s when...

Does it pay to ride either one…

…yet? 

Emphasis on “pay”. 

Both brands are focused on delivering their 1st run. When contingencies kick in…

That’s when we’ll know. 

avidchimp wrote:
Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research...

Also, even though a ton of 450RX parts are compatible with Beta's RE/RR/RS line-up, which also means great availability, there isn't much aftermarket stuff and research available solely aimed at the RX.

I'd love to be able to get the ecu tuned to move the power around a little on mine, but it's not really possible at this time. Plus with there being such a small amount of units around it doesn't make financial sense for Twisted or XPR to put any time in development. 

Don't even get me started on that $899 retail FMF slip-on.

Lil' D, where you at? Laughing

TeamGreen wrote:
I looked this up…using the 480 that’s all that o could find that’s comparable at the moment…

I looked this up…using the 480 that’s all that o could find that’s comparable at the moment…

Thanks Manny. FMF just released their 450 full ti system, and while on par with other full ti systems cost wise, it would just be for the bling factor as my bike already has plenty 'o power for my slow ass. I'd much rather have a re-programmed ecu to spread the midrange out a little.

Suspension is going to Enzo asap. Can't wait to see what Ross is going to do with it. The forks are harsh in braking bumps and the shock is harsh on acceleration bumps, but I am about 10 lbs over the the window. That said, it's super stable, doesn't do anything unexpected or ass puckering, and other than the shitty Maxxis ST front tire, it turns really well.

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