Trouble at Triumph?

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ohh_454 wrote:

What did Ferry do to get that ride in the first place?

Nothing. It was baffling that he got that ride in the first place.

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To be honest i dont remember Ferry winning as an amateur muchless the futures ..Getting slammed in the wall the way he did in his first...

To be honest i dont remember Ferry winning as an amateur muchless the futures ..Getting slammed in the wall the way he did in his first ever start probably scared the crap out of him cuz he hasnt raced since .and i dont believe hes hurt 

When he was on mini bikes, he won quite a bit – not on the level of Deegan/Bennick/Ryder D – but I do remember him winning Monster Cup on a super mini. When he moved up, I think he did really well in local races and at mini o's, but I don't think he delivered much at Loretta's.

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4/17/2024 1:38am

It was briefly mentioned on Pulp. Everyone on the team is training a certain way and he (and I’m assuming his Dad) want to train their own way. 
 

This isn’t a Triumph thing, it’s a Ferry thing. This is what, the third time this has happened with them? They’re running out of options. This is not how I pictured Lil Red Dogs career going to say the least. 

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It was briefly mentioned on Pulp. Everyone on the team is training a certain way and he (and I’m assuming his Dad) want to train their...

It was briefly mentioned on Pulp. Everyone on the team is training a certain way and he (and I’m assuming his Dad) want to train their own way. 
 

This isn’t a Triumph thing, it’s a Ferry thing. This is what, the third time this has happened with them? They’re running out of options. This is not how I pictured Lil Red Dogs career going to say the least. 

I think it's fine to train a certain way if you're delivering results (just look at Levi Kitchen), however Ferry hasn't even raced a main yet. If he had and done well then I'm sure there would be some leniency. Leaving a factory team before you've even done anything is a ballsy move.

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MXGP setup!

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Clearly Triumph's main budget is in MXGP right now. But they're going to have to hire some championship talent. No disrespect to Swoll or Savatgy, but Swoll is still working on his speed and Savatgy is better on a 450.

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If the training stuff is true.. Masterpool 🤝 Ferry

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Ferry was terrible in futures, not sure why he got the ride in the first place. He really hasn't done much since on mini's. 

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Clearly Triumph's main budget is in MXGP right now. But they're going to have to hire some championship talent. No disrespect to Swoll or Savatgy, but...

Clearly Triumph's main budget is in MXGP right now. But they're going to have to hire some championship talent. No disrespect to Swoll or Savatgy, but Swoll is still working on his speed and Savatgy is better on a 450.

I would venture to say the US program is costing them more than the MXGP program by a decent amount. The MXGP program was built around an existing operation with existing infrastructure. They also didn't hire big names in MXGP/MX2 so far.

The US program was started from scratch. Brand new million dollar plus rig, built a new race shop, training facility, etc.

And the MXGP program has a title sponsor in Monster, the US program doesn't.

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It was briefly mentioned on Pulp. Everyone on the team is training a certain way and he (and I’m assuming his Dad) want to train their...

It was briefly mentioned on Pulp. Everyone on the team is training a certain way and he (and I’m assuming his Dad) want to train their own way. 
 

This isn’t a Triumph thing, it’s a Ferry thing. This is what, the third time this has happened with them? They’re running out of options. This is not how I pictured Lil Red Dogs career going to say the least. 

Career? What career?

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I would venture to say the US program is costing them more than the MXGP program by a decent amount. The MXGP program was built around...

I would venture to say the US program is costing them more than the MXGP program by a decent amount. The MXGP program was built around an existing operation with existing infrastructure. They also didn't hire big names in MXGP/MX2 so far.

The US program was started from scratch. Brand new million dollar plus rig, built a new race shop, training facility, etc.

And the MXGP program has a title sponsor in Monster, the US program doesn't.

Spot on. I'd say any regular top five rider would give Triumph a miss in their first year so they couldn't get a top rider, but I bet Bobby Hewitt's had a few calls already now that the bike is somewhat proven in supercross (would Swoll do better than he's done on the Triumph on another bike? Not likely. But he's doing well.)

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ohh_454 wrote:

What did Ferry do to get that ride in the first place?

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Isn't the reason being that Tim Ferry and RC4 are buddies? Same reason Joey S. got the deal? Being Ricky's bud can pay off sometimes you...

Isn't the reason being that Tim Ferry and RC4 are buddies? Same reason Joey S. got the deal? Being Ricky's bud can pay off sometimes you know.

I get that, but like other people have said, he didn’t even get a top 5 in futures and was mia in the amateur world the last year or 2. Who was he basing his speed off of? His dad, Ivan Tedesco, RC, Keefer, and whoever else they had out testing the bike? He didn’t come out swinging for his first pro race. JuJu, Bennick, Romano, and Ryder D are all rookies that are doing a lot better than him. 

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How easy was Tim to work with?

Some of you old dogs know the answer. 


 

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It's not triumph.  There hitting podiums in MX2 in the GPs. There might be upper management stuff  who knows.  Jalen has won a national.  Savatgy has won a few.  Evan ?  I like Tim and crew. But Evan doesn't haven't the results to be getting picky.  I heard he's going Red. No pun intended. 

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I thought Swoll was doing really well. Ferry not. There are some better riders out there at the moment that deserved that ride. Anyways, Swoll has top 5 speed. Do you remember him crashing with Anstie in one of the first mains?

Bike looks like a rocket ship in GPs. Haarup and McLellan both stepped up (podium finishes) and it looks like a decent structure. I agree that MXGP already had a structure, but if I would start a new team from scratch in the USA, I would have called Bobby Hewit as well. I expect in a few years that Triumph will battle for top 5s in both classes in both AMA and MXGP

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4/18/2024 5:37am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 5:40am

"John Stuart Bloor OBE (born 16 June 1943) is a British billionaire businessman. His business, Bloor Holdings, owns both Bloor Homes and Triumph Motorcycles."

Took them out of receivership in the 1980's. While the rights to the Triumph marque are currently owned by BMW.

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So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in the first corner of the main. Didn't Jett get a ride because of his older brother? 

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ohh_454 wrote:

What did Ferry do to get that ride in the first place?

kpiper wrote:
Isn't the reason being that Tim Ferry and RC4 are buddies? Same reason Joey S. got the deal? Being Ricky's bud can pay off sometimes you...

Isn't the reason being that Tim Ferry and RC4 are buddies? Same reason Joey S. got the deal? Being Ricky's bud can pay off sometimes you know.

Ferry being on the triumph has nothing to do with RC, the relationship was with Hewitt and Scuba during Ferry's Husky days same as Swoll. 

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MX455 wrote:
So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in...

So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in the first corner of the main. Didn't Jett get a ride because of his older brother? 

Jett was winning EMX250 races at 14. 

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MX455 wrote:
So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in...

So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in the first corner of the main. Didn't Jett get a ride because of his older brother? 

Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection.

And as mentioned above, Jett was winning EMX250 races... on a Suzuki of all things. (I'm a Suzuki fan BTW)

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MX455 wrote:
So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in...

So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in the first corner of the main. Didn't Jett get a ride because of his older brother? 

Snapper wrote:
Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection. And as mentioned...

Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection.

And as mentioned above, Jett was winning EMX250 races... on a Suzuki of all things. (I'm a Suzuki fan BTW)

Jett was 14 yrs old too. 

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ML512 wrote:
I would venture to say the US program is costing them more than the MXGP program by a decent amount. The MXGP program was built around...

I would venture to say the US program is costing them more than the MXGP program by a decent amount. The MXGP program was built around an existing operation with existing infrastructure. They also didn't hire big names in MXGP/MX2 so far.

The US program was started from scratch. Brand new million dollar plus rig, built a new race shop, training facility, etc.

And the MXGP program has a title sponsor in Monster, the US program doesn't.

Do you have any inside info on why they don’t have a title sponsor? To me it’s very surprising that they have Monster in Europe but not here. Would seem more likely to have that the other way around, no?

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4/18/2024 10:26am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 10:27am
MX455 wrote:
So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in...

So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in the first corner of the main. Didn't Jett get a ride because of his older brother? 

Snapper wrote:
Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection. And as mentioned...

Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection.

And as mentioned above, Jett was winning EMX250 races... on a Suzuki of all things. (I'm a Suzuki fan BTW)

Didn’t he only win one? In the sand? That’s the one that sticks out for some reason

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MX455 wrote:
So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in...

So we all know he doesn't deserve a ride after seeing him in 3 futures races and one pro supercross where he was rag dolled in the first corner of the main. Didn't Jett get a ride because of his older brother? 

Snapper wrote:
Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection. And as mentioned...

Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection.

And as mentioned above, Jett was winning EMX250 races... on a Suzuki of all things. (I'm a Suzuki fan BTW)

Didn’t he only win one? In the sand? That’s the one that sticks out for some reason

Yes, at Lommel , and i think i was there, i think he had to wait to ride EMX as he was too young. 

At the time we all though he was a bit dumb going to the USA, but with Everts folding, they didnt have much choice, and nobody could say that hasnt paid off.

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Snapper wrote:
Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection. And as mentioned...

Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection.

And as mentioned above, Jett was winning EMX250 races... on a Suzuki of all things. (I'm a Suzuki fan BTW)

Didn’t he only win one? In the sand? That’s the one that sticks out for some reason

philG wrote:
Yes, at Lommel , and i think i was there, i think he had to wait to ride EMX as he was too young.  At the...

Yes, at Lommel , and i think i was there, i think he had to wait to ride EMX as he was too young. 

At the time we all though he was a bit dumb going to the USA, but with Everts folding, they didnt have much choice, and nobody could say that hasnt paid off.

I think he was 15 cause it was 2018 and he raced Unadilla the next summer?

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Snapper wrote:
Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection. And as mentioned...

Whether he deserved a factory ride or not isn't really the issue. But by racing he could have at least justified his selection.

And as mentioned above, Jett was winning EMX250 races... on a Suzuki of all things. (I'm a Suzuki fan BTW)

Didn’t he only win one? In the sand? That’s the one that sticks out for some reason

philG wrote:
Yes, at Lommel , and i think i was there, i think he had to wait to ride EMX as he was too young.  At the...

Yes, at Lommel , and i think i was there, i think he had to wait to ride EMX as he was too young. 

At the time we all though he was a bit dumb going to the USA, but with Everts folding, they didnt have much choice, and nobody could say that hasnt paid off.

It was not at Lommel actually. I remember Lommel well, its the first time I saw him ride the 250 in 2018. The year before he was doing EMX85 (impressed a lot of people on that Suzuki), and he was now a 14 year old kid on a slower bike. First moto he finished top 5 I think, second moto he crashed in the first turn, passed around 20 riders but then fell again. He won 2 moto's at the final round in Assen, though Smile  

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According to racer x today it sounds like Team Triumph was willing to bend over backwards for Ferry but he decided to make a poor decision this early in his career. More likely if wants to continue to go racing he going have to buy a bike which I’m sure he will get a good discount and go privateer until he come prove he is competitive before a factory team picks him up. 

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