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Yes but Ford screwed up the programming on theirs and GM didn't.
If you think GM is going to be better than Ford, you're in for a surprise.
Prior to 2014 I was a GM guy. Had 6 GM's and the transmission on every one of them went out somewhere between 60K and 80K. Bought a 2013 F150 Eco that now has 108K with no trans, engine, or turbo problems...so far. 1/3 of those miles are with a 14x7 box trailer being towed. The only problem that I have had is the throttle body giving up the ghost at 40K and 77K. I need to buy an extra and put it in the truck.
A new truck would be nice, but dammit son they are expensive. I'll just re-invest in my current ride when needed.
They both suck.
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About a year back my 6.0 decided to eat a piston and my hand was forced to buy a newer truck within a few days, I've had multiple tacomas and will never buy another. Too small and mileage is just shit for what they are. I ended up with an 18 F150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost and holy shit has this thing been enjoyable to own. Quick, ton of cab room (honestly similar space as my 250), great mileage and it drives like a car. Original plan was to sell it when i get my 250 back, but this things is staying as my daily with the diesel being the weekend queen.
Idk what's more annoying...a dude overly loyal to his sports team or the brand of truck he drives.
I've managed fleets with as many as 50 trucks used daily for various services in the West Texas oil fields. We've had trucks from Chevy, Ford, Dodge/Ram and Toyota. All of them have their pros and cons. All of them have issues at some point.
Personally, I've had 5 new GMC/Chevy pickups in the last 12 years and have 1 year down with my Raptor (first Ford I've owned). Have not had a single issue with any of my trucks.
You can find nightmares and success stories with every truck. There are a lot of variables.
I feel the same. Im not necessarily a fan boy of any brand but doing my research as to what will work best for me and provide creature comforts i like, i keep landing back in a ford. We have two 10 speed tranny trucks and no problems from either yet. It does seem to pair better with my dads 6.7 but I've got no complaints with my 3.5.
Yes, all things suck compared to the olden days, but its what we got. People used to think cars were dead at 100k. Now they're way up there. My f150 will probably make 100k on stock brakes. That wasnt happening 20 years ago.
You just keep running with that narrative in your head if it gets you thru the day.
Funny...
There's only -1- thing my old '67 Bronco does better than my new one: it sounds better. Period.
EVERYTHING ELSE is BETTER on my new one. EVERYTHING
Ram TRX. They can do awd donuts on dry pavement. (Aka flat spin.) That’s a big selling point for me, personally
Well, some can do donuts. Not everyone lol.
Sorry but GM did not pay back the bailout. The American taxpayer lost over $10 billion on the bailout.
I was a Chrysler/Ford mechanic back when the 5-6 speed trans were coming out and I'll say this, people don't like the transmissions to shift. It's more common when there's a tachometer, but any shifting while driving is considered an issue by some drivers who don't understand engine torque curves. Yes it downshifts on hills, or when you push the accelerator down. They also like to push on the gas during a drive to reverse or reverse to drive shift and get mad it jerks. A lot more people than you think shift to neutral while on the highway to save gas and accidentally go to reverse, or try to manually go from drive to 3rd and go to far and end up in 1st. They'll bitch about it being a POS, when it's user error. I had a lady come in with a minivan knocking like crazy. Put it on the lift and the oil pan was collapsed and the crank was hitting it. I asked what she ran over and the only thing she could think of was a jack rabbit....
I've also had to remove fluid from transmissions because people check and fill them cold above the max level because more fluid is better. A lot of issues are caused by the end user, blamed on the equipment, and repeated in online eco chambers because someone likes one brand more than the other. 25% actual issues, 25% bad luck, 50% people are dumb.
I missed your response yesterday. Got some bad news my friend. My niece, the one with the 100K mile 2020 Suburban that needs an $8k transmission job, the paint is all faded/peeling on the top of it.
As for the guy you quoted....that post of his says all you need to know.
Toyota for the win always, except the new Tundra. just dog shit in my opinion. Stick with the 5.7 Crewmax Tundra, platinum or limited models. Tacoma has shifting issues always looking for a gear, so this sucks when driving across state. Tacoma bed size sucks for dirt bike too. Buy a ford, ppl will judge you. stay away from the eco boost having cam phaser issues. just buy a 5.0 f150 and call it a day. chevy is real nice and comfortable. You failed to tell us what your using the truck for too... just track days? off road use? grocery getter?? Good luck with your choice.
I am as far from a brand loyalist as it gets. I was trying to think of all the trucks have had over the last 20 years. I came up with :
3 Ford F150’s (2005 - 2010 - 2017)
Rams : 2014 and a 2020
Chevy Silverado’s: 2018 and my current truck 2020
Jeep Gladiator : 2022
Toyota Tacoma : 2016
out of all those trucks i was most disappointed in the Toyota. Not because it’s a bad truck, it just didn’t fulfill my pleasures as far as luxury, interior room, power and it got worse gas mileage than my full size trucks. I’m sure it would have gone 400,000 miles but for someone who has never put over 75,000 miles on one of them, longevity isn’t an issue.
out of all those vehicles I never did anything but standard maintenance, I rarely had one out of warranty. I have zero brand loyalty, if I like the way something looks/rides I really don’t care what emblem is on it.
Last 20 years.... 1988 F250, 1989 F250, 1994 F250, 1998 F150, 2007 F150, 2010 F150, 2017 F250. I still have 88,89 and 2017. 1998 When I got rid of it it had 270,000 miles on the 4.6, still ran like a dream just body was getting rough. 2007 was over 200,000 on a 5.4. 2010 had 250,000 on a 5.4. I had really good luck with the 5.4 just do cam phasers and timing set around 175,000. 2017 I have 120,000 on a 6.2. Really like this truck, other than gas mileage.
I ran a F250 , and an F150 run into
The ground and then scrapped them
...
But these days...every dollar counts..
Nissan for my tow vehicles
and Hyundai for my econo $hitbox run around stuff...
Toyota is the best but out of my price range.
Pit Row
V8 ftw
Sorry I’d avoid the new tundra, and that’s coming from some one who drove just Toyotas only. The fit and finish and the stories I hear from the techs at the dealer was enough for me to say no.
But how many miles have you put on all of these trucks you have owned? Looks like you buy a new truck every 2ish years. Much less probability of having issues if you get rid of your trucks every 2 years...Even most vehicles rated with poor reliability can make it a few years trouble free.
Late to the game here, but as a former F150 owner and then long time Tundra owner- the current Ram 1500 hands down best 1/2 ton out there. One test drive is all it takes…
So no Tundra or Tacoma…
Gonna be hard not to buy another Nissan Frontier. My current 2010 has over 330,000 miles now. And perfect Moto hauler. Can load two bikes, tailgate down. And fit in my garage completely loaded the night before a ride. Love the look of the new Chevy Colorado Trail Boss. And may consider after some long term reviews come in.
As stated above, yeah if you buy a new truck every 2-3 years longevity and durability are not in the equation and you can't really speak to it. You're never owning a truck out of warranty so that's not a a factor at all. If you're going to buy a new truck every 2-3 like that, since longevity is not in the decision, just get whatever truck has the best features or looks you like.
On that same note, my decision to have a Tundra and keep it 20 years is influenced by living in AZ and the fact that rust is not a consideration. If I lived in the salt-belt I'd probably change out trucks more often since any truck will be rotted to the ground long before it wears out.
As said earlier, American cars aren't fully made in the U.S. We're in a global economy, and American vehicles aren't only sold in the U.S., so it's fair that some of the jobs are in the other countries the vehicles are sold in. Ford Rangers from 1993 - 2011 use Mazda transmissions. Half the bolts on it are metric, and I imagine many parts are sourced internationally. As a matter of fact, my metric sockets are all that I need to fix just about anything on the Ranger. And the sockets fit. They're not loose.
My issue with unions is when they get too greedy, and also make it impossible to get rid of bad employees. It's bad for everyone, and can cause the demise of the companies they work for. They once were very much needed, but today, not so much.
For the record, over the years I've bought both American and foreign vehicles. I currently have a 350z and an older Ranger.
The older Rangers, with the 4.0L are awesome, especially the 4 door! Good power, decent gas mileage, and very robust. I got 324k miles out of my 1993 and would've gotten much more, but I blew a freeze plug instantaneously, and the coolant drained out so fast, that the temp gauge never went to hot. My current Ranger is rock solid.
I like the look of the new Tundras. It seems I may be the only one. I've also looked at Tacomas for a long while, but the new Rangers look pretty awesome too! For what I use them for, I simply don't need a big truck. My Datsun pickups, Chevy Luvs were actually the right size. The older Tacomas, 2 generations ago, are about the same size. That's all I really need.
The Rangers are a good compromise in size, especially with the 4 door.
I like the size of the Maverick, but something about unibody in a truck just doesn't cut it for me.
I'm going to stick with my Ranger for a few more years, then re-evaluate. We'll see what the new $20k Toyota has to offer.
I got those trucks up to 60-100k, sitting at 20k on my Raptor.
I agree that isn’t a fair indication of the full life of the vehicle. However now days a fair amount of vehicles have issues at low mileage. We’ve had a handful of Ford turbos (diesel and gas motors) go bad before 20k miles. Tranny went bad on a Ford 1/2 ton at 7k. Chevy front ends rattle apart at 60-80k.
Trucks aren’t built to last IMO. That’s why I replace them frequently.
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