is racing at this level realllly worth it?

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3/14/2010 11:19pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2010 11:21pm
if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local...
if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local track that you've been doubling the last 5 years?? my doctor gives me a week to live, i'm going for Everything on Every track....... LOL....

gt80 I think thats the best thing I've read in a while haha
So in your own words unless you have been told you only have 1 week to live IT IS NOT WORTH IT?
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3/14/2010 11:27pm
A week to live? Just do the fuggin triple ya pussy Smile
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3/14/2010 11:47pm Edited Date/Time 3/15/2010 12:02am
Ddavis wrote:
I want to live wide open until im old, then i could tell my kids stories about how i broke my legs, how i was chasing...
I want to live wide open until im old, then i could tell my kids stories Smile

about how i broke my legs, how i was chasing down the leader at mammoth and my bike blew up, or how i hung out with travis pastrana, they'll probably say some new kid is the "IT" Kid and ill be like "hahaha no way barcia was way sicker then that kid", or how ive whipped it flat over a freestyle ramp aha



NO, not trying to steal the topic with stories. i just want you to get the point
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If something catastrophic were to happen to me, I don't think I could ever say that it was all worth it, but who knows. I enjoy it too much to quit. Like has been said over and over, there is risk in everything. You could get hurt walkin' your doggie.

In my experience, MX is as safe as you make it. I push it where I think its safe to. Anything is possible, but you just have to do your best. Do-or-die obstacles are probably the worst thing that has ever happened to this sport, IMO.

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If something catastrophic were to happen to me, I don't think I could ever say that it was all worth it, but who knows. I enjoy...
If something catastrophic were to happen to me, I don't think I could ever say that it was all worth it, but who knows. I enjoy it too much to quit. Like has been said over and over, there is risk in everything. You could get hurt walkin' your doggie.

In my experience, MX is as safe as you make it. I push it where I think its safe to. Anything is possible, but you just have to do your best. Do-or-die obstacles are probably the worst thing that has ever happened to this sport, IMO.
Exactly, my dad would get frusterated when we'd go to the track and i didnt feel comfortable jumping something. I physically could do it, but mentally i didnt wanna take the risk of going 1 step forward 2 steps back. im usually a pretty safe rider, so thats why my injury list isnt so bad.
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i think its worth it, i broke my back ten years ago...took me 2 years to be a normal person again..had to learn walkin and everything...anyway started with minibikes and over the years couldnt shake the urge...
last year i got myself a big bike again and theres nuthing like it...i dont race because of work but just going out with the buddies is the shit...id give everything...even after been through being paralyzed for 1 week

again its up to everybody but to me its worth it
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To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than it is to do the biggest jump. I have been hurt a bunch of times, never once on a jump. The only guys that think jumps are dangerous are guys that roll them every lap. IMHO they are just hoping and praying the sport eliminates them so they can become competitive. JUMPING IS EASY. Start small and work your way up.

You guys are totally missing the point of why these guys are doing this. Who gives a shit about money? To enjoy racing you have to enjoy the challenge of achieving personal goals and the hard work that comes with it. If you are racing for money, then you are an idiot.

Because of the risks involved my 3 year old son won't race or ride until he says he wants to, I don't care if he races or not. If he doesn't want to, I won't make him. It would be cool if he became some factory rider one day, but he is going to have to want that. The rider determines how far they go and if the risks are worth it. You can hire a trainer send your kids to MTF, but ultimately the rider is going to decide if he is going to put the work in to take advantage of all that instruction. No on will ever succeed in this sport if the carrot is money. Those guys always fade away once they sign their first big contract. You think Bubba crashed 50,000 times last year because he wanted that extra 100k for the win bonus? That's part of the reason why this sport is awesome. Results are directly related to hard work even for the naturally talented guys. To me naturally talented riders are just guys that spent a ton of time on the bike and just enjoyed riding. While the Jeff Stantons of the world, may have enjoyed racing/training more.

FU all just my 2 cents.

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3/15/2010 8:20am
MX wouldn't be MX without the danger- it's part of the sport. As painful as it is when tragedy strikes.
In 20 years of being at the track I have seen just about everything-- the worst you can imagine. I've had family and friends label me a nutcase just for doing this.

It depends what you mean by "worth it." Money- let's get real. As amateurs we risk it all for a plastic trophy and the memories. If you reach the point where you are questioning being out there- it's time to hang it up. Racing to me is an entirely personal journey.

I had a friend that quit racing because he had a baby. Fast local A rider- big jumper. Less than a year after he quit he got killed working construction in a freak accident. I always thought of the irony of him quitting racing so he could lead a "safer" life and giving up the sport that was his life. My point is life is unsafe, whether you are racing or not.
3/15/2010 11:58am
if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local...
if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local track that you've been doubling the last 5 years?? my doctor gives me a week to live, i'm going for Everything on Every track....... LOL....

gt80 I think thats the best thing I've read in a while haha
BogMasterR wrote:
So in your own words unless you have been told you only have 1 week to live IT IS NOT WORTH IT?
haha obviously not !! I just like the idea of some guy being told he has a week to live and going out and charging every jump he's ever been afraid to hit.....I think it would be an epic tale of triumph in the face of adversity!
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To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than...
To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than it is to do the biggest jump. I have been hurt a bunch of times, never once on a jump. The only guys that think jumps are dangerous are guys that roll them every lap. IMHO they are just hoping and praying the sport eliminates them so they can become competitive. JUMPING IS EASY. Start small and work your way up.

You guys are totally missing the point of why these guys are doing this. Who gives a shit about money? To enjoy racing you have to enjoy the challenge of achieving personal goals and the hard work that comes with it. If you are racing for money, then you are an idiot.

Because of the risks involved my 3 year old son won't race or ride until he says he wants to, I don't care if he races or not. If he doesn't want to, I won't make him. It would be cool if he became some factory rider one day, but he is going to have to want that. The rider determines how far they go and if the risks are worth it. You can hire a trainer send your kids to MTF, but ultimately the rider is going to decide if he is going to put the work in to take advantage of all that instruction. No on will ever succeed in this sport if the carrot is money. Those guys always fade away once they sign their first big contract. You think Bubba crashed 50,000 times last year because he wanted that extra 100k for the win bonus? That's part of the reason why this sport is awesome. Results are directly related to hard work even for the naturally talented guys. To me naturally talented riders are just guys that spent a ton of time on the bike and just enjoyed riding. While the Jeff Stantons of the world, may have enjoyed racing/training more.

FU all just my 2 cents.

Jumping is where the majority of the riders get hurt.


Rythms get sketchy when theyre step on step off's in them. I was riding SX with chris plouffe and he got KO'ed because he clipped a step on-off in a rythm and endoed into the next jump.

It happens to the best of them, its easier to get hurt trying a triple triple in a rythm section rather then trying to pin it in a corner earlier. ive hit the ground from jumps and corners, you can tear an ACL or break a wrist in corners, but you can break a neck or back in jumps.
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3/15/2010 1:19pm
RISK VS BENEFIT....
High sensation seekers have a different scale... they do it for the risk and the thrill that they get, the more risk the more adrenline....
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Ya, racing at any level, paid or not would be awesome for that age. Think about it! Training, and sponsors, testing. I think that makes me respect the fastest dudes around a little more, even with ego's n shit. Considering riding my dirt bike all the time, to the times I DO get hurt riding it? That's a question for every rider. I ride cause its the best shit ever, just dont think about crashing ha. Everyone goes down, it just sucks when someone gets fucked up you know..
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Its an individual decision for sure, but the risk verses the reward is so out of balance. Yeah, people have fun winning local trophies, but from my perspective, it doesn't even seem worth it to be a pro now days. I know serious injuries have always happened in this sport, but with the 450s, and the level of progression the sport has risen to, it seems like guys are dropping like flies. Like BobbyM said, any of those guys are on the verge of shitting in a bag for the rest of their life. You always think of crazy wort case scenarios where riders get hurt, but reading some of the posts in this thread make it obvious that you can get seriously injured from seemingly harmless looking crashes. What keeps people striving, and taking the risks are the success stories of riders with amazing careers, but for every one amazing heroic glory story you hear, millions of riders never made it past the amateurs, and out of those millions of amateurs, hundreds if not thousands blew off education along with everything else in life but motocross with aspirations of someday making it big, only to never make it and be handicapped for the rest of their lives in many different ways from because of a life dedicated to motocross.

I obviously never it made it. Hell i sucked at racing as a child, but I don't need to race. All I enjoy is just riding a track at my own pace. I feel its 100X's safer than getting out on the track with a bunch of amateurs who crack the throttle open way more than they should on over-powred bikes trying to win a trophy that cost 2 dollars to make.

I always regretted not becoming professional in the sport i focused on (not motocross). I always regretted because I knew deep down inside I wasn't trying my hardest taking crazy risks some of my other friends who actually made it took. Now I'm glad I didn't take those risks, because I'm in fairly good health as a result, and I feel i learned so much from my sport by not making it. To put it simply, all of us have an opportunity to learn something from this sport and apply it to our everyday lives if take time to reflect.

Riding is fun.
3/15/2010 2:56pm
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To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than...
To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than it is to do the biggest jump. I have been hurt a bunch of times, never once on a jump. The only guys that think jumps are dangerous are guys that roll them every lap. IMHO they are just hoping and praying the sport eliminates them so they can become competitive. JUMPING IS EASY. Start small and work your way up.

You guys are totally missing the point of why these guys are doing this. Who gives a shit about money? To enjoy racing you have to enjoy the challenge of achieving personal goals and the hard work that comes with it. If you are racing for money, then you are an idiot.

Because of the risks involved my 3 year old son won't race or ride until he says he wants to, I don't care if he races or not. If he doesn't want to, I won't make him. It would be cool if he became some factory rider one day, but he is going to have to want that. The rider determines how far they go and if the risks are worth it. You can hire a trainer send your kids to MTF, but ultimately the rider is going to decide if he is going to put the work in to take advantage of all that instruction. No on will ever succeed in this sport if the carrot is money. Those guys always fade away once they sign their first big contract. You think Bubba crashed 50,000 times last year because he wanted that extra 100k for the win bonus? That's part of the reason why this sport is awesome. Results are directly related to hard work even for the naturally talented guys. To me naturally talented riders are just guys that spent a ton of time on the bike and just enjoyed riding. While the Jeff Stantons of the world, may have enjoyed racing/training more.

FU all just my 2 cents.

Ddavis wrote:
Jumping is where the majority of the riders get hurt. Rythms get sketchy when theyre step on step off's in them. I was riding SX with...
Jumping is where the majority of the riders get hurt.


Rythms get sketchy when theyre step on step off's in them. I was riding SX with chris plouffe and he got KO'ed because he clipped a step on-off in a rythm and endoed into the next jump.

It happens to the best of them, its easier to get hurt trying a triple triple in a rythm section rather then trying to pin it in a corner earlier. ive hit the ground from jumps and corners, you can tear an ACL or break a wrist in corners, but you can break a neck or back in jumps.
EXACTLY! Yeah, jumps are easy, you just pin it and hang on. I remember the first time I did a triple on my 85 and thought, dang, that was easy! But that's not the point. Just like DD said, they are easier but the consequences are greater. It's just like the difference between other sports and motocross. Other sports are like corners, you'll get injured more often but maybe just tweak a knee or break a wrist. But, a crash on a tricky or blind jump, while less frequent, usually ends up with a trip to the hospital.

That's the difference. We're not arguing that you can't get hurt in other parts of the track but simply that, when they happen, they are not worth it.

3/15/2010 3:04pm
Out of all of you who say it's absolutely worth it, how many of you have kids? I think someone argued that it was irresponsible to force your kids to ride dangerous tracks and all that, but I think the greater irresponsibility is when a father says this is worth it for him to have fun.

I mean, think about it, it's very different for a 15 year old who still depends on his parents for everything to say, yeah, it's worth it to have some fun. They have no real responsibility other than to enjoy their youth.

But the matter changes completely when you have kids waiting for you at home. I think that is the most selfish thing in the world, if you have kids, to say screw it I'm going for it because it makes ME happy. If you end up paralyzed or a vegetable, do you think your wife or kids will be thinking, well at least it was worth it and he had fun, let's go figure out how to support ourselves now.

If you put your kid out there, you are assuming the responsibility if something happens. But if you put yourself in danger and have dependents, you are placing them responsible for you without their say.


Just wondering if ya'll see the same difference?
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I would newer suggest anyone racing mx/sx professionally. The price you and family pay seems greater than this limited success for a filthy few.

Riding for fun is another factor though! Some of my greatest memories are from riding, and these memories keep adding (they are validated equally)! Next year one of my mx-buddies and me are going to ride some notorious Californian tracks for a whole week! Kind of a big thing for some Swedes who have been watching American mx on the telly for some decades! If I don't die we will talk and mentally prosper on that for the rest of our lives!

I know this is all subjective, so my opinion should mean jack for others. But mx has really changed my life for the better, and every time I go to the track I sense that feeling you had as a kid when you rode for the first time.
I could go on for pages...
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I don't have kids, so it's hard to say, but my nephew that I'm very close to started racing last year. I cringe every time the gate drops for lites C cause I would hate to see him get hurt (and hear the wrath of my sister). I'm not sure if I had a kid if I would want him to race, ride definetly, race not so sure (and I've been racing for 22 years)
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Maybe its just me but I would much rather die doing something I love than growing old in a damn hospital bed. Yeah its dangerous and there are consequences but isn't that why we race? Live to ride, ride to live. I go out there on the track knowing what could happen. But you can think that it is going to happen. If you have to question whether its worth it or not then you shouldn't be out there. Bad things happen when you think too much. I love motocross and wont give it up for anything.
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You ever notice that the 50+ gate is very seldom full, things change the older you get.

I'm not gonna lie, I get scared when I get on my dirt bike. The risk is getting pretty high for the reward I get.

Besides, I get the same adrenalin rush watching my kids and granddaughter do stuff I won't do.



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3/15/2010 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:25pm
BIGHEAD1 wrote:
To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than...
To me the jump thing is bullshit. Jumping is easy. To me it is way harder to go fast down a rough straight away fast than it is to do the biggest jump. I have been hurt a bunch of times, never once on a jump. The only guys that think jumps are dangerous are guys that roll them every lap. IMHO they are just hoping and praying the sport eliminates them so they can become competitive. JUMPING IS EASY. Start small and work your way up.

You guys are totally missing the point of why these guys are doing this. Who gives a shit about money? To enjoy racing you have to enjoy the challenge of achieving personal goals and the hard work that comes with it. If you are racing for money, then you are an idiot.

Because of the risks involved my 3 year old son won't race or ride until he says he wants to, I don't care if he races or not. If he doesn't want to, I won't make him. It would be cool if he became some factory rider one day, but he is going to have to want that. The rider determines how far they go and if the risks are worth it. You can hire a trainer send your kids to MTF, but ultimately the rider is going to decide if he is going to put the work in to take advantage of all that instruction. No on will ever succeed in this sport if the carrot is money. Those guys always fade away once they sign their first big contract. You think Bubba crashed 50,000 times last year because he wanted that extra 100k for the win bonus? That's part of the reason why this sport is awesome. Results are directly related to hard work even for the naturally talented guys. To me naturally talented riders are just guys that spent a ton of time on the bike and just enjoyed riding. While the Jeff Stantons of the world, may have enjoyed racing/training more.

FU all just my 2 cents.

You are totally missing the point if you think anyone is trying to eliminate jumps so they can become more competitive.


I don't want them eliminated but want tracks to be built with some common sense and not have the downside of not making a jump a major crash.


Good for you jumping is easy.



88sdad-You must not have been to any races in SoCal RE: 50 plus classes gates aren't full.
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Was there always this much injuries? What is happening? Is it the tracks? The bikes? Doubt its the bikes because most of the kids are still on 2 strokes once they are on 80s still, i dont know but its just really sad...I dont know if it is worth it or not, but i think especially for these amateur races, some of the tracks probably need to be re-thought.
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Adam43 wrote:
If something catastrophic were to happen to me, I don't think I could ever say that it was all worth it, but who knows. I enjoy...
If something catastrophic were to happen to me, I don't think I could ever say that it was all worth it, but who knows. I enjoy it too much to quit. Like has been said over and over, there is risk in everything. You could get hurt walkin' your doggie.

In my experience, MX is as safe as you make it. I push it where I think its safe to. Anything is possible, but you just have to do your best. Do-or-die obstacles are probably the worst thing that has ever happened to this sport, IMO.
Agree
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is that you sean friday?

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Bikes are highly capable therefore riders are going much faster and able to complete ever larger and more technical obstacles.

I don't believe riders are actually trying any harder today as the creme is always talented and giving it their all; but they sure are moving much faster down those tracks.

It's only common sense that falling off at 40mph is 3x more painful/ dangerous than falling off at 20mph is.
3/17/2010 5:41pm
Well, I haven't read every comment, but out of all the ones I have read I didn't see anyone mentionioning Christianity. Now I'm, by no means, a Holy roller. I'm not in the church everytime the doors open, but I am a Christian and I do have faith. I believe that the Lord has a plan for everybody.

I'm from South Carolina, and I don't know if anyone has read about this yet, but a man in Hilton Head, SC got hit by a plane yesterday while running on the beach. What???? Yes, it's true.... Google it! Freak Accident? or his time? Basically what I'm trying to says is that it doesn't matter what you do, or where you do it...... If the lord calls you home, that's it. Everything happens for a reason... Just Pray, have faith in the lord and his son Jesus Christ, and live your life to the fullest! Psalm 37:4 Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
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Well, I haven't read every comment, but out of all the ones I have read I didn't see anyone mentionioning Christianity. Now I'm, by no means...
Well, I haven't read every comment, but out of all the ones I have read I didn't see anyone mentionioning Christianity. Now I'm, by no means, a Holy roller. I'm not in the church everytime the doors open, but I am a Christian and I do have faith. I believe that the Lord has a plan for everybody.

I'm from South Carolina, and I don't know if anyone has read about this yet, but a man in Hilton Head, SC got hit by a plane yesterday while running on the beach. What???? Yes, it's true.... Google it! Freak Accident? or his time? Basically what I'm trying to says is that it doesn't matter what you do, or where you do it...... If the lord calls you home, that's it. Everything happens for a reason... Just Pray, have faith in the lord and his son Jesus Christ, and live your life to the fullest! Psalm 37:4 Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
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3/17/2010 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:28pm
Ddavis wrote:
this came through my mind when i heard about jesse masterpool.. i mean, look at riders that are critically injured (james marshall, masterpool, craig, fonseca, bailey...
this came through my mind when i heard about jesse masterpool..

i mean, look at riders that are critically injured (james marshall, masterpool, craig, fonseca, bailey, my good buddy justin eubanks, and lots of others)

also Jason Ciarletta, RIP (i also think an 11 year old Trevor Fox just passed away)

Do you think it's worth it? Family and Health is more important that championships any day. i guess thats the risk of racing nowdays. i hate to bring up negativity, but its a real thing. scary thing.



3/17/2010 9:38pm
Ddavis wrote:
this came through my mind when i heard about jesse masterpool.. i mean, look at riders that are critically injured (james marshall, masterpool, craig, fonseca, bailey...
this came through my mind when i heard about jesse masterpool..

i mean, look at riders that are critically injured (james marshall, masterpool, craig, fonseca, bailey, my good buddy justin eubanks, and lots of others)

also Jason Ciarletta, RIP (i also think an 11 year old Trevor Fox just passed away)

Do you think it's worth it? Family and Health is more important that championships any day. i guess thats the risk of racing nowdays. i hate to bring up negativity, but its a real thing. scary thing.
BogMasterR wrote:



Well, these videos dont really apply to my comment. I haven't been to church in years and I don't watch the religion channels. But hey, if your cool with pokin fun at God, that's on you, and you have to answer for it, but I gurantee if you were laying on the track, hurt, and couldn't move the first person you would turn to is God. And luckily for you, he wont turn his back on you and fast as you turned yours on him.
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Well, these videos dont really apply to my comment. I haven't been to church in years and I don't watch the religion channels. But hey, if...
Well, these videos dont really apply to my comment. I haven't been to church in years and I don't watch the religion channels. But hey, if your cool with pokin fun at God, that's on you, and you have to answer for it, but I gurantee if you were laying on the track, hurt, and couldn't move the first person you would turn to is God. And luckily for you, he wont turn his back on you and fast as you turned yours on him.
Well your posts really don't apply to this thread either.

If you want to talk religion there is Non Moto....for the record I'm a Christian but don't let my religion enter into moto discussions about track safety and if riding is worth it or not.......
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i think so... ive had a couple injuries but i always have tht feeling of i want to ride... u dont see villopoto just walk away and never come back from injury.... its all apart of the game... so i say yea its worth it... and like some of the other guys said, wats life if ur not living it? think about it... does motocross make u happy? it sure does to me.....

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