Honda pushing the small bore thumpers

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Looks like Honda is trying hard to make their 150 relevant.

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The Honda 150 is an awesome little bike... works great. They always seem to be at the front of the pack as well.
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The 150cc Championship. Perfect class for the KTM 150SX to clean up in. The KTM ought to give the 150cc four stroke the beat down of a lifetime.Whistling
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I bought my son a 150 when they first came out and they are great little bikes but if they allow the KTM 150 in the same class it will be a joke. My son said his CR85 that had a mild 85CC motor was faster then his stock 150.
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It might be a good bike, but I don't think it's good for the sport in the least bit and I'm glad the others didn't follow suit. I thought they weren't allowed in the 85 class in most places? Maybe that's why they are at the front of the pack, they are in their own class. Wink

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jleews6 wrote:
I bought my son a 150 when they first came out and they are great little bikes but if they allow the KTM 150 in the...
I bought my son a 150 when they first came out and they are great little bikes but if they allow the KTM 150 in the same class it will be a joke. My son said his CR85 that had a mild 85CC motor was faster then his stock 150.
The way the 85 hits, it'll feel faster even if it isn't.

The 150 is a fun bikes. Come to think of it, all bikes that run are fun.
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you guys jump to conclusions as if you dont know shit about the sport or even what you are talking about.........
if you had read the hole article you would have known that this new european championship is for kid from 11 to 15, which is the same age class that is used in usa for 85 or 150 4t.....
the ktm 150sx is in fact a 144cc 2t bike, which is the max capacity alowed, that runs in the mx2 or lites or schoolboy classes, which means it is a big bike and the rider has to be 15 to race it.....14 with a special license in some places........
they are completly diferent size bikes and dont race together...........
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Whistling


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its at the front of the pack in the 85 class. Not so much in supermini.
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newmann 2/12/2010 4:05pm
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It's the "Honda" class. They are so damn special these days they have to have their own class. Harley used to do that didn't they?
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rileymx wrote:
you guys jump to conclusions as if you dont know shit about the sport or even what you are talking about......... if you had read the...
you guys jump to conclusions as if you dont know shit about the sport or even what you are talking about.........
if you had read the hole article you would have known that this new european championship is for kid from 11 to 15, which is the same age class that is used in usa for 85 or 150 4t.....
the ktm 150sx is in fact a 144cc 2t bike, which is the max capacity alowed, that runs in the mx2 or lites or schoolboy classes, which means it is a big bike and the rider has to be 15 to race it.....14 with a special license in some places........
they are completly diferent size bikes and dont race together...........
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I;m suprised the rest of the OEM haven't followed suite with honda on a 150cc 4stroke mxer.
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nc_mx_kid wrote:
I;m suprised the rest of the OEM haven't followed suite with honda on a 150cc 4stroke mxer.
I'm not, they hardly sell, cost is way too high for a 'mini' bike. Have you seen what parts cost for those things? It is a good bike, but if it breaks, you are out mega bucks.
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honda specifically asked it's contingency tracks what class does the "150cc" machine allowed to run in./

they are going to make another attempt to push the 150 into the 85 class, so then they will bring out the "real" 150.

most of the people around here want nothing to do with the bike as it is like any typical small bore 4 stroke. high maintainace, higher priced, and well just not competitive out of the box with an 85 unless you breath on it alot.

funny as i was witness to a "power" struggle in a meeting about this last year, as one brand basically said "no we don't see it that way" when honda tried to change that class size again.
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If honda could get the 150 down to a 125 it would be allowed to race against the 85cc two strokes, but honda never could get it to perform at 125cc.......that's why it's 150cc...
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wardy 2/13/2010 12:43pm
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one last thing.

It's pretty cool to see a company promoter thier product, I don't have an issue with that. Trying to change the whole sport to do it "their" way, well never have i seen so many have different opinions.

Been nice to see them take a very small part of that RD work and put it into developing a cleaner, less exspensive, two stroke design. or do both.

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slumpstone 2/13/2010 12:43pm
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With Suzuki not having a 85cc 2 stroke in their line-up for 2010, I wouldn't be surprised to see a early release 2011 rmz150
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J.F.S 2/13/2010 12:43pm
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It would be cool to see aluminum frames on the small bikes too! If I was a kid about to get a 80cc, I would want a ride with aluminum frame, I would want to look like the big boys!

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Here I go again!...

Wouldn't this be a great place for the factories to experiment with direct injection and other computerized and servo controls??

The Honda did not reset the bar. Let's just get back to 2-strokes at this level and bring them into the 21st century.

A 105cc KTM would be more than a tricked-out 150 Honda could handle. Why do we continue to make this stupid cc comparison when talking 2 vs 4 strokes?
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wardy 2/13/2010 12:59pm
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slumpstone wrote:
With Suzuki not having a 85cc 2 stroke in their line-up for 2010, I wouldn't be surprised to see a early release 2011 rmz150
I don't think so, as they were adament about not jumping on the 150cc 4t bandwagon.

I think yamaha has the right idea, build both, sell both. whats the harm?

they have best of both worlds.

but hey , i like the ease of the 2 stroke so thats not a secret.
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slumpstone 2/13/2010 1:03pm
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I would'nt rule it out. Honda kept theirs pretty secret right up to the releaseat the dealer show. I can't see them walking away from the mini market.
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wardy 2/13/2010 1:14pm
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if honda would be "dominating" the mini market, then sure I could see any of the others building the 150.

but i don't think that many 150's are sold year to year, so I rather see it as honda walking away from the mini market with only offering 4 stroke race bikes?

exactly right, a 125cc thumper was legal or is still? but they chose to build a 150 and make people change rules for one brand, one machine.

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The first year the 150 came out it sold like crazy.Wardy the first year numbers were pretty big from what I saw. After they were not allowed to race in alot of organizations, not so much.

The funny thing I kept hearing, they are to fast and to powerful and will get young kids hurt. Crap that thing is the best thing for a new kid. You can watch any 7-11 start and watch kids wheelie over all the time on their 85.

The price is a issue. But what hasn't got out of hand lately.

Another thing Wardy, for Suzuki to not be interested, I sure did get alot of questions asked at a dealer meeting a couple of years ago. One thing that was brought up, how about a model that came with a kick stand and electric start so play/woods riders would like it and with minimal mods it would be a great MXer. This was after I brought up the comment that MXers hadn't been buying 150Rs lately because of rules and it was mostly woods riders buying them.
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Flatliner 2/13/2010 1:40pm
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A little bird once told me that yamaha made one and it kept getting spanked by the 85 so they parked it.

Sitting in a warehouse unless its been shipped back to japan.

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rileymx wrote:
you guys jump to conclusions as if you dont know shit about the sport or even what you are talking about......... if you had read the...
you guys jump to conclusions as if you dont know shit about the sport or even what you are talking about.........
if you had read the hole article you would have known that this new european championship is for kid from 11 to 15, which is the same age class that is used in usa for 85 or 150 4t.....
the ktm 150sx is in fact a 144cc 2t bike, which is the max capacity alowed, that runs in the mx2 or lites or schoolboy classes, which means it is a big bike and the rider has to be 15 to race it.....14 with a special license in some places........
they are completly diferent size bikes and dont race together...........
"you guys jump to conclusions as if you dont know shit about the sport or even what you are talking about" excuess me?Dry
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Honda are shit heads. ALWAYS have been.
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neysbo 2/13/2010 3:36pm
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so can 85's run in this series to ?

I would hope so or it will be a bomb.
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Honda should drop the CRF150R and reintroduce its CR85. The CR85 screamed. Let the 150cc race in Supermini class.
dirtbikemike 2/13/2010 3:58pm
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i thought two strokes were dead.
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wardy 2/13/2010 5:01pm
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dirtbikemike wrote:
i thought two strokes were dead.

some believe that. then again some believe that elvis is still alive to.

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