The Mumford and Shimoda beef has been mentioned, and Friese and Dean as well, but seems like maybe the issue runs deeper than the riders themselves? On the review pod ML said the riders were warned on Friday not to cause any more issues with other Honda riders, and then Saturday happened, and per the pod they got a talking to from the manufacturer on Saturday night.
Just how stupid do you have to be as a support level team to go after the factory effort?
I dont understand how HRC still supports Alessi and MCR, wtf was that? Friese takes out Hunter and Wilson, Mumford try to take Shimoda´s wheel on Press day, just bullshit all around.
Pretty stupid. I don't expect MCR guys to just pull over for HRC guys. But you gotta think they weren't happy about what Vince did on that start. I doubt they were like "well Vince had the line so technically it wasn't dirty."
The Deano takeout is most blatant thing I've seen from the weekend. Not sure how they explain that one away?
I could be wrong but I believe there is no "factory support" anymore. maybe just bikes? I know Brayton was the only guy getting the good parts when he was on the team.
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Lars Lindstrom texted me a picture of Mike Genova from when he and the Honda brass went to talk to him. No idea how Lars got my new number...
"Friese takes out Hunter"
You guys need to give it a fucking rest already. What happened there happens on starts MULTIPLE TIMES PER YEAR. If roles were reversed you be talking about what a good job Hunter did closing the door and Frieze needs to learn how to use his brakes next time...
Reasoning with the wild-eyed unhinged lynchmob doesn't work.
DV said it best....if the roles were reversed, everyone would be calling it a racing incident.
I don't even like Friese but this is fact.
Bunch of crybabies upset that Hunter didn't let off and ran into the back of a dude that had control of the track.
Friese is a douche but he didn't do anything wrong in that start incident.
Yeah it was a racing incident. You think HRC is cool with that? Or maybe told the team, with the guy who's going to be finishing 15th every week, use your head a little better?
One incident among many. If it was the only data point, sure..... but it's not.
Was Vince in the LCQ? What happened that one of the top factory riders didn't qualify? I am a fan of both Lawrence brothers, but you can't blame someone else in this case.
So what is MCR supposed to do, install rear view mirrors so he'll know to pull off the track if any HRC guys are near him?
Maybe Hunter needs to check up coming so hot into the first turn.
Those supporting Friese need to just go back and look at it all. Here are some very popular incidents that get talked about a lot. There are MANY more!
He ruined Brayton's championship when they were on the same team for WSX
Look at the 2023 WSX season and how many issues he had
Look at Deano at A1
Friese and Anderson A2 2017
Friese and Peick incident
Friese cross-jumping when being lapped cleaning out Barcia
Friese cleaning out Craig that year just slamming into him
You can't defend all of this. At what point do people need to look at his actions and just say enough is enough? Its like the AMA somehow love having him out there for the drama it creates or something!
Yes, Hunter was a racing incident. Fact. Also, Hunter could have qualified through the LCQ, but he didn't.
I was wondering about this exact topic, would any other team owner and manager besides Mike Genova and Tony Alessi hire Vince Friese to ride for them, it's not like he's going to win any Championships. Tony Alessi for as long as I can remember his antics as the most legendary asshole of a Moto Dad that ever existed and maybe he and Vince are very similar when it comes to racing and nothing is off the table to try to win, even if it means blantantly taking out your competition. As far as members and fans being called Haters! it's not as if the moto community just randomly picked Vince Friese to bag on, it's because he has a long sordid history of taking other riders out and you'd think when a guy offers up a bounty at a WSX race to pay someone to take out his competition, his SX/MX career would be done, BUT! Noooo Tony Alessi loves this guy and somehow gets him into the AMA SX premier class. Even other riders constantly complain about what an Asshat he is on the track and his stupid dangerous moves. Anyways! I've never done any kind of business with Moto Concepts and I certainly don't plan any in the future, because they seem like a company and team full of Dipshits. I guess Karma is a Bitch though, sounds like Vince Friese seperated his shoulder trying to take out Dean Wilson, I'm familiar with that injury and it hurts like a Mother, so hopefully this is the end of Vince Friese racing in Supercross and like they say Live! by the Sword, Die by the Sword, nice way to leave a legacy of being the rider Parents tell their children not to use as a role model.
If theres no support then how could honda tell them to back off on honda riders? It makes sense for honda to say something Id be pissed too if people I were supporting were crashing out my factory riders who are the big money guys that have a shot at the championship. The championship is THE MOST important thing to these mfg’s so if theres guys I’m supporting that are screwing that Id warn them too.
If I’m HRC Honda, I would be PISSED. From my earlier thread, Carson’s block on Jo lap 1 in the main put him back 4-5 positions, making his comeback harder. He probably would’ve got Kitchen otherwise.
Not to mention, both Deans and Hunters results were at least partially harmed by Friese (yes Ik it’s Hunters job to get it done in the lcq) ultimately costing the Honda riders several points. If they’re going for the Manufacturers cup, that’s not what you want to see.
From the looks of that crash, Hunter was pretty banged up and also his bike was a mess. Should he have been able to rise above and breezed through the LCQ, Yes! but it certainly set the tone for the rest of his evening. Everything about MCR is shitty, if HRC was giving them any support, I'd tell um to F off from here on out.
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I dont think anyone here (myself included) is defending Friese outside of saying the one incident people are so fixated is one where he didnt do anything wrong.
The Wilson incident was classic Friese being an idiot and 100% his fault. I wouldnt mind never seeing him out there again but Im not going to just start pinning racing incidents on someone either just because I dont like them.
I think what's pissin people off is that after Bountygate at the WSX, that should have been the end of Vince Friese, but here he was at Anaheim 1 2024 to continue with his BS. Remember this, who in the Hell would hire this creep
Lots of guys have rides, even factory rides... and they arnt winning any championships either. I know folks dont like Friese, but guess what he is a good rider that makes mains, not all riders have to be perfect, he is a good villain for people to whine about. As long as no one gets hurt, i dont really care, I'm a fan, not riders family or friend
EXACTLY!!!!! And what he did to Wilson in the main shows this.
Yup that exactly what they should do. Maybe a GPS based alarm system that goes off when an HRC rider is close to him. I'm sure HRC was completely ecstatic with the while situation because it was a racing incident, you're right
Racing sure is more exciting with Friese in the pictures
Another day at the Vital henhouse....feeding time.
Just throw out the word Friese.
I would somewhat agree the heat race was a racing incident, but even say if it was Roczen, I personally think it would be kinda of a sketchy move.
Chopping down the way he did on about 12 other people is just not a smart move. If it wasn’t Hunter it would have been Sexton or Roczen.
¨As long as no one gets hurts¨ Tell that to Karnow then...
The issue is Vince is in no man's land. He starts better then most anyone on the line doesn't matter what bike he is on. An the xadd in he has always had just enough stepped to keep the elite riders in ear shot and if he gets a start to keep them behind as long as he can but typically faster (starts help) then the upper mid pack battles. This has been his entire career one step ahead of some one step behind the rest. People forget hes been a 250 title contender a time or 2 in the past not including the last 3 years he was on a 250. If you took 20 year old Vince and gave him his skill set he has today and had the same growth he's had over his career. People would sing a different tune. The guy has a career most pro wish they could have.
In a sx, a national, a pro-am, I'm 10 out of 10 making the same move Vince did. I've seen what Vince did a thousand times easily from local races all the way to the pros.
10 times out of 10 you would wreck your own holeshot? Why?
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