Honda electric full size MX by 2026 earliest (2030 ambitions)

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12/20/2023 2:10am
Zacka 161 wrote:
Double what you have ever spent is telling.  It’s telling you haven’t bought new for a while or haven’t paid retail for a while.  So if...

Double what you have ever spent is telling.  It’s telling you haven’t bought new for a while or haven’t paid retail for a while.  So if paying retail is not for you then there’s another reason you aren’t the target demo. 
 

every potential and actual advantage has been litigated and relitigated and blah blah blah and you still come back with ‘Yeah but you haven’t convinced me’ as if a person who is not the target demo is the person anyone is trying to convince.  As if you not being convinced is some sorta ‘gotcha suckers’ when really it just shows your ignorance and inability to think beyond your own nose.  
 

In terms of why is it more expensive? Well the difference is on par with equivalent ICE v EV cars. And the Model 3 is at time the highest selling vehicle in its class so clearly there’s a market that isn’t you… do you complain about womens bras not being for you also? Or children’s toys, since they aren’t for you I’m sure you spend all day decrying their existence to every child with any potential interest… I mean cool I guess. Real cool. I bet you are fun at parties and in any situation where’s there’s an opinion different to your opinion.

MxAddic wrote:

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You ain’t the demo bro. Stop trying to convince yourself that you need to be convinced.  You aren’t the demo move along. 

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12/20/2023 2:30am
Zacka 161 wrote:

You ain’t the demo bro. Stop trying to convince yourself that you need to be convinced.  You aren’t the demo move along. 

Have the Etards changed their minds? If I am not, who is?

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12/20/2023 2:31am
Honda's original naming convention stood for the bike's intended use... CR - course racer XR - cross country racer XL - cross country leisure CB -...

Honda's original naming convention stood for the bike's intended use...

CR - course racer

XR - cross country racer

XL - cross country leisure

CB - city bike

CBR - city bike racer

VT - vee twin

VTR - vee twin racer

VFR - vee four racer

Yamaha used "WR" to designate wide ratio, Honda hasn't used this designation.

When the CRF line was introduced it stood for...

CRF - course racer four stroke

the XR line was then discontinued, Honda added "R", "X" and "L" and "F" to the end of the CRF designate for racer, cross country, leisure and fun!

If I remember correctly CR is “Circuit Racer” but all the rest are right. 
Names change over time and I’m not bothered by Honda calling their e-Moto a CRF-E or whatever. 

12/20/2023 2:40am
soggy wrote:
You’re the one that can’t carry on a honest conversation. A point gets brought up against you and you post a music video instead of conversating. 

You’re the one that can’t carry on a honest conversation. A point gets brought up against you and you post a music video instead of conversating. 

MxAddic wrote:
Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are...

Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are trying to goad me into doing or saying something you can twist and use against me.

You're fucking pathetic.

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be happy to talk back and forth with you about it. If I can’t work you into the podcast, then we could do it on my personal channel. 

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12/20/2023 2:48am
Honda's original naming convention stood for the bike's intended use... CR - course racer XR - cross country racer XL - cross country leisure CB -...

Honda's original naming convention stood for the bike's intended use...

CR - course racer

XR - cross country racer

XL - cross country leisure

CB - city bike

CBR - city bike racer

VT - vee twin

VTR - vee twin racer

VFR - vee four racer

Yamaha used "WR" to designate wide ratio, Honda hasn't used this designation.

When the CRF line was introduced it stood for...

CRF - course racer four stroke

the XR line was then discontinued, Honda added "R", "X" and "L" and "F" to the end of the CRF designate for racer, cross country, leisure and fun!

If I remember correctly CR is “Circuit Racer” but all the rest are right.  Names change over time and I’m not bothered by Honda calling their...

If I remember correctly CR is “Circuit Racer” but all the rest are right. 
Names change over time and I’m not bothered by Honda calling their e-Moto a CRF-E or whatever. 

I've heard variations of the name, "Course Racer", "Circuit Racer" and even "California Racer" to go with Elsinore, but haven't seen any official Honda documents with the name.

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12/20/2023 3:14am
Honda's original naming convention stood for the bike's intended use... CR - course racer XR - cross country racer XL - cross country leisure CB -...

Honda's original naming convention stood for the bike's intended use...

CR - course racer

XR - cross country racer

XL - cross country leisure

CB - city bike

CBR - city bike racer

VT - vee twin

VTR - vee twin racer

VFR - vee four racer

Yamaha used "WR" to designate wide ratio, Honda hasn't used this designation.

When the CRF line was introduced it stood for...

CRF - course racer four stroke

the XR line was then discontinued, Honda added "R", "X" and "L" and "F" to the end of the CRF designate for racer, cross country, leisure and fun!

If I remember correctly CR is “Circuit Racer” but all the rest are right.  Names change over time and I’m not bothered by Honda calling their...

If I remember correctly CR is “Circuit Racer” but all the rest are right. 
Names change over time and I’m not bothered by Honda calling their e-Moto a CRF-E or whatever. 

I've heard variations of the name, "Course Racer", "Circuit Racer" and even "California Racer" to go with Elsinore, but haven't seen any official Honda documents with...

I've heard variations of the name, "Course Racer", "Circuit Racer" and even "California Racer" to go with Elsinore, but haven't seen any official Honda documents with the name.

I’m just pulling from memory from my time at a small Honda shop like almost 25 years ago. So you might be right. 

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12/20/2023 5:30am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
  This place in a nutshell 
 

This place in a nutshell 

No it isn’t 

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12/20/2023 5:52am
soggy wrote:
You’re the one that can’t carry on a honest conversation. A point gets brought up against you and you post a music video instead of conversating. 

You’re the one that can’t carry on a honest conversation. A point gets brought up against you and you post a music video instead of conversating. 

MxAddic wrote:
Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are...

Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are trying to goad me into doing or saying something you can twist and use against me.

You're fucking pathetic.

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be...

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be happy to talk back and forth with you about it. If I can’t work you into the podcast, then we could do it on my personal channel. 

Ha.  He won't do that.  His only opinion is electric sucks and has no place in moto.  The podcast would last about 90 seconds.  

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12/20/2023 7:56am
Zacka 161 wrote:

You ain’t the demo bro. Stop trying to convince yourself that you need to be convinced.  You aren’t the demo move along. 

MxAddic wrote:

Have the Etards changed their minds? If I am not, who is?

Someone who pays retail for bikes for one and isn’t threatened by the idea of having to plug something in after using it. 

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JM485
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12/20/2023 9:36am
soggy wrote:
You’re the one that can’t carry on a honest conversation. A point gets brought up against you and you post a music video instead of conversating. 

You’re the one that can’t carry on a honest conversation. A point gets brought up against you and you post a music video instead of conversating. 

MxAddic wrote:
Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are...

Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are trying to goad me into doing or saying something you can twist and use against me.

You're fucking pathetic.

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be...

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be happy to talk back and forth with you about it. If I can’t work you into the podcast, then we could do it on my personal channel. 

Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun Laughing

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12/20/2023 11:23am

Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is just not up to task for a 30 minute moto at the pro level.  That's the gold standard IMO. When you get several hours of use (by a pro riding at race speed), then it's consumer ready.

Batteries are the biggest barrier to the industry going full electric as of 2023.

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12/20/2023 12:20pm
Tim507 wrote:
Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is...

Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is just not up to task for a 30 minute moto at the pro level.  That's the gold standard IMO. When you get several hours of use (by a pro riding at race speed), then it's consumer ready.

Batteries are the biggest barrier to the industry going full electric as of 2023.

“bAtTErY TeCh HaSnT cHaNgED for 100 YeArS!”

 

yep, solid state is going to solve the range issues. 
 

 

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Solid state will fore sure improve, but, Toyota/Honda (and others) who are betting on car solid-state have postponed their plans again with a few years. I'm sure we will have amazing solid-state motocross bikes, but question is, it it 2028 or 2035? My body is aging and I rather ride a Varg (and a CRF250) now for the next 5 years than wait for it solid-state.

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12/20/2023 1:20pm
So let me get this straight, Honda was adamant about killing the 2-stroke and now they are going balls deep into e-bikes? Can you see why...

So let me get this straight, Honda was adamant about killing the 2-stroke and now they are going balls deep into e-bikes?

Can you see why I support Yamaha and KTM?

Why? I understand that electric cars don’t work for most people (range and charging). But why hate on e-bikes? If the ride time is adequate (for...

Why? I understand that electric cars don’t work for most people (range and charging). But why hate on e-bikes? If the ride time is adequate (for average local rider who spends more time hanging out at the track then on the bike) power delivery is going to be better, why all the hate? I’m not saying that you’re wrong, I just don’t get it. I’m excited for something new. 

insider wrote:
Because it’s completely different to what we are used to and change needs time. I think it it will either split in separate classes. If the...

Because it’s completely different to what we are used to and change needs time. I think it it will either split in separate classes. If the E-bikes will take over it will kill the sport how we know it and will change it forever.

From a competitive standpoint I still need to be convinced these bikes are able to run in deep sand. I haven’t seen one at a deep sandtrack doing a 20 min moto.

also the big promotors see a huge decline in potential as in viewers and attendace at the races. The MotoGP E class learned us the general public / target audiance couldn’t care less for E-bike racing and I get that, it is indeed very boring to watch.

Indeed, extremely boring, I couldn't watch the IOMTT E-races even.

12/20/2023 1:34pm
MxAddic wrote:
Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are...

Nope sorry try again. NOBODY on this board thinks you want to carry an honest conversation with me. The only time you engage me you are trying to goad me into doing or saying something you can twist and use against me.

You're fucking pathetic.

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be...

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be happy to talk back and forth with you about it. If I can’t work you into the podcast, then we could do it on my personal channel. 

JM485 wrote:
Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun 

Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun Laughing

I would actually like to hear from someone who is so against E-bikes. But all they seem to do is get mad hurl insults. 

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12/20/2023 2:17pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2023 2:17pm
Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is...

Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is just not up to task for a 30 minute moto at the pro level.  That's the gold standard IMO. When you get several hours of use (by a pro riding at race speed), then it's consumer ready.

Batteries are the biggest barrier to the industry going full electric as of 2023.

Just make e-motos 15 or 20 minutes and open it up for homebuilds and prototypes with high and low weight limits. When battery tech improves bump them up to 30, but its time lay out a plan to integrate electrics into the program just like every other top motosports series. Also maintains gassers as the top of the sport for luddites.

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12/20/2023 3:17pm
Tim507 wrote:
Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is...

Gotta wonder if the major manufacturers are biding their time for Solid State battery tech to mature. From every test I've seen/watched, current battery technology is just not up to task for a 30 minute moto at the pro level.  That's the gold standard IMO. When you get several hours of use (by a pro riding at race speed), then it's consumer ready.

Batteries are the biggest barrier to the industry going full electric as of 2023.

Honda's officially stated plan is solid state batteries in the second half of the 2020s, but Stark's Varg may force a faster response

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12/20/2023 3:26pm
Honda's officially stated plan is solid state batteries in the second half of the 2020s, but Stark's Varg may force a faster response

Honda's officially stated plan is solid state batteries in the second half of the 2020s, but Stark's Varg may force a faster response

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Stark could find themselves in a pickle if Honda has proprietary solid state battery tech that can't be matched for some time in the Varg. They are saying half the weight of lithium ion and faster charging.

12/20/2023 3:59pm
Honda's officially stated plan is solid state batteries in the second half of the 2020s, but Stark's Varg may force a faster response

Honda's officially stated plan is solid state batteries in the second half of the 2020s, but Stark's Varg may force a faster response

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early wrote:
Stark could find themselves in a pickle if Honda has proprietary solid state battery tech that can't be matched for some time in the Varg. They...

Stark could find themselves in a pickle if Honda has proprietary solid state battery tech that can't be matched for some time in the Varg. They are saying half the weight of lithium ion and faster charging.

They could, but...

Toyota is claiming they have made a breakthrough in solid state batteries, that will double the range of existing batteries and have faster charging times, but at the same time they are lobbying Congress to delay changes to transition to all-electric cars. That sounds like they are not ready for production yet.

Existing Honda electric scooters, use swapable battery packs with liquid lithium-ion batteries, Honda is hedging it's bets with battery types and supply sources, their Sakura City factory will manufacture solid state batteries, but they will have issues, and it will take time.

Stark has set the benchmark, when Honda releases their CR-E, it would need to meet or better that benchmark, brand loyalty only goes so far!

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12/20/2023 5:30pm

Wonder who will leak out e-bikes next. I know Yamaha has electric mountain bikes. 

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12/20/2023 5:39pm
I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be...

I would actually like to see if I can get you on the podcast. I’m one of the Etards (name is so funny) and would be happy to talk back and forth with you about it. If I can’t work you into the podcast, then we could do it on my personal channel. 

JM485 wrote:
Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun 

Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun Laughing

I would actually like to hear from someone who is so against E-bikes. But all they seem to do is get mad hurl insults. 

So would I, I'd love to address any concerns a reasonable person would bring up.  But that's just the thing, most of these guys have no desire at all to actually have a discussion and they know their argument is weak, that's why none of them will ever agree to it.

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12/20/2023 5:49pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2023 6:01pm

Wonder who will leak out e-bikes next. I know Yamaha has electric mountain bikes. 

Yamaha hasn't officially announced  an electric motocross bike, there are several conversion being developed using existing chassis, including one from Yamaha Motor Europe N.V., an electric two-wheeler development company Dohms, battery producer SPIKE and the Royal Dutch Motorcyclists Association (KNMV)...

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Yamaha will be slow to electric...

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12/20/2023 5:53pm
JM485 wrote:
So would I, I'd love to address any concerns a reasonable person would bring up.  But that's just the thing, most of these guys have no...

So would I, I'd love to address any concerns a reasonable person would bring up.  But that's just the thing, most of these guys have no desire at all to actually have a discussion and they know their argument is weak, that's why none of them will ever agree to it.

MXLittleDic has admitted on here he has to use AI to craft some of his responses. 
 

No way does he want to engage in a live conversation, he’d be putting his obvious lack of intellect on full display. He’s dumb but not that dumb. 

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12/20/2023 9:14pm

I'm really tired of the same ebike arguing over and over. 

Can we debate different types of boobs instead?

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12/20/2023 9:29pm

I'm really tired of the same ebike arguing over and over. 

Can we debate different types of boobs instead?

Just like ICE and electric bikes, they are all good!

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12/21/2023 5:27am

I'm really tired of the same ebike arguing over and over. 

Can we debate different types of boobs instead?

Is there a good or bad type?

12/21/2023 5:31am
JM485 wrote:
Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun 

Can I come on and debate him live?  Now that would be a fun Laughing

I would actually like to hear from someone who is so against E-bikes. But all they seem to do is get mad hurl insults. 

JM485 wrote:
So would I, I'd love to address any concerns a reasonable person would bring up.  But that's just the thing, most of these guys have no...

So would I, I'd love to address any concerns a reasonable person would bring up.  But that's just the thing, most of these guys have no desire at all to actually have a discussion and they know their argument is weak, that's why none of them will ever agree to it.

It wasn’t lost on me when I offered to give them a platform, but they couldn’t hide behind a keyboard, they got quite. 

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12/21/2023 5:41am

I'm really tired of the same ebike arguing over and over. 

Can we debate different types of boobs instead?

Is there a good or bad type?

I think they're all good, but some of those Commiefornia people on here are weird.

12/21/2023 5:52am

I'm really tired of the same ebike arguing over and over. 

Can we debate different types of boobs instead?

Is there a good or bad type?

Real are good, artificial are bad!

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