ACL replacement

Jdirrrty
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I hurt my knee a week ago and after an MRI my doc told me I need a acl replacement where they take a graft from the hamstring. I just wanted some opinions from other members that may have had this done. Should I get it over with and have surgery? Or do I try to wait it out? I can walk ok and have decent range of motion still. Any info would be appreciated.
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I got a cadaver acl put in and it seems to be going well. I waited till the winter so i would not miss any racing (and i dont like working in the cold ha ha) I have heard the longer you wait it can possibly wear out other parts of your knee, but i could be wrong im not a doctor. Swizcore knows about that stuff (at least i think it was him)
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1/25/2010 10:26am
There is a higher chance it will take over a cadaver. You will be a bit more soar after, but overall if you plan being active you should do it. If you suck at the rehab part and you are over thirty then don't because you will most likely end up with it as soar as it was in the first place. Good luck either way.
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1/25/2010 10:28am Edited Date/Time 1/25/2010 10:29am
I've had it done, just takes time. Once the doctor says you are ready get it done, the rehabilitation time is lengthy (plan on 6mo. for complete recovery). Do get a second opinion if nothing else for piece of mind. Even though you can walk, if I remember correctly the doctor said you can twist it wrong and tear everything in your knee, then you've go more trouble. I had my graft from my hamstring.

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1/25/2010 11:17am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 8:20pm
Jdirrrty wrote:
I hurt my knee a week ago and after an MRI my doc told me I need a acl replacement where they take a graft from...
I hurt my knee a week ago and after an MRI my doc told me I need a acl replacement where they take a graft from the hamstring. I just wanted some opinions from other members that may have had this done. Should I get it over with and have surgery? Or do I try to wait it out? I can walk ok and have decent range of motion still. Any info would be appreciated.
I had the same procedure done in 08, and also back in 01 both are fine and stronger than before, I just take precautions, and purchased the necessary braces to continue. Will be about 6 months before you can ride again. Yes I would get the surgery and get it over with, unless you can deal with the problem of your leg giving out on you in some of the worst times.
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1/25/2010 11:58am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 8:20pm
I had ACL replacement (cadiver) and medial meniscus repair last August. Still not
100 %, but still improving. I'm sure your age makes a difference. I'm a Vet racer so I guess at my age the recovery may be longer. I can run now with some stiffness but very little pain. Up to 2 miles, 3 days a week. I waited two months after my injury to have the surgery, I recomend having it asap, the sooner it's done the sooner you can ride. Good luck and if you don't have them, look into knee braces, I did.
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Don't do hamstring! I have more problems with my hamstring now than I do with the knee that it fixed.
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Go with the allograft (cadaver). My hamstring is only about 90% where they removed the graft. In my opinion there is no reason to create a new injury to fix an existing one. Chances are extremely low that your body will reject the graft.

Whichever graft you decide make sure they use the calcium or glucosamine screws to fixate the graft. They are absorbed by the body and will not cause pain later on.

Good luck and listen to your PT!
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I had mine done and while cadaver was an option, we went with the "gold standard" of a graft from my own tissue (in my case, we took it from the same leg's patela tendon). The graft from the tendon is more trauma than the ACL replacement and thus inhibits recovery a bit. However, I followed the rules and as a 36 year old vet at the time of the surgery, I:

1. Never used the crutches; authorized for load bearing out of surgery
2. Was on the bike just under 6 months later (did mine in late fall through winter)
3. Visted rehab 1 time/week and did "self study" due to travel schedule
4. Was traveling (via airline) 9 days after surgery EVERY week during recovery

Nothing special other than "by the book" and I had great luck with a CPM device and a electro stimulator (don't remember the name). I followed the advice of the rehab coaches and made rapid progress.

Knee is better than new - no problems. Get the self-graft - opinions vary but my doctor convinced me (and my other research) that mine will last forever but the cadaver might not hold up for the long haul.
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I had my ACL done 5 years ago with a hamstring graft (In Australia).

I researched mine a fair bit before having it done; some things I found or were recommended:

- my doctor waited for about 6 weeks to let the swelling go down. In this time I started rehab on the knee (this time isn't lost as it will speed up rehab post surgery).
- patella or hamstring grafts seemed to be the most popular. Seems in Australia at least cadaver grafts are not that common these days.
- seemed to be equal evidence on both types of grafts, and each doctor will most likely recommend one over the other based on what their experience/expertise is.
- did a LOT of research on braces and decided that they didn't seem to offer much protection for ACL injuries so I didn't buy a set (my own opinion is that for ACL injuries a good set of knee guards is probably just as good). BTW I didn't do the injury on a bike.
- DO THE REHAB!! Don't skimp or procrastinate. Slack rehab can result in loss of flexibility and movement range that can be very hard to recover.

If you don't get it done, what will most likely happen is this - because the ACL stabilises the knee joint, over time no matter how careful you are, from time to time the joint will collapse. Each time this happens the knee cartilage will be damaged a bit. Eventually you will have little or no cartilage left and there is a good chance you will require a full knee replacement.

I took nine months before I got back on a bike, I was probably cautious but I've ridden a lot since then with no issues.
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dirthead1 wrote:
Don't do hamstring! I have more problems with my hamstring now than I do with the knee that it fixed.
People are going to have different experiences with whatever graft is used since there are different docs involved who may or may not be on their game.

My ACL repair back in 2005 used the hamstring and I have zero issues with the repair. My wife had an ACL repair the same year and the patellar graft was used, at times, she still has issues with kneeling on the ground.

Based on my wife and I's experience, I'd never think that means hamstring grafts are good and patella grafts are bad.

I personally think the hot setup is to find a very reputable doc who's done a LOT of ACLs and has been doing them for a long time rather than sweating whether a doc uses a hamstring or patella graft.
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I got a cadaver acl put in and it seems to be going well. I waited till the winter so i would not miss any racing...
I got a cadaver acl put in and it seems to be going well. I waited till the winter so i would not miss any racing (and i dont like working in the cold ha ha) I have heard the longer you wait it can possibly wear out other parts of your knee, but i could be wrong im not a doctor. Swizcore knows about that stuff (at least i think it was him)
My lips are sealed. I freaked out enough people with my story. Smile
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One option to consider is opposite leg patella tendon. That was an option for me until it was found that both knees were shredded. Take a month before surgery and build as much flexibility and strength in the leg as possible. It will make your recovery time much shorter. I was back on the bike in 3 months on my second and third ACL reconstruction. Get a stationary bike and put it somewhere you will use it A LOT. I put mine in front of the TV and watched football game films while pedaling.


Agree with what Mooch said his wife is having issues with. Kneeling causes the weirdest pain/sensation ever with the patella scar.
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swizcore wrote:
My lips are sealed. I freaked out enough people with my story. Smile
yeah I read your post form november and it scared the shit out of me
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swizcore wrote:
My lips are sealed. I freaked out enough people with my story. Smile
Jdirrrty wrote:
yeah I read your post form november and it scared the shit out of me
My daughter is quite the sand volleyball player and over the years she has had both knees done.
For her they grabbed a 10mm wide center strip from her patella tendon and anchored the ends.
Better than stock! She wears a Cti-style brace on the newest side, but only until her mind tells her it is fully healed.
1/25/2010 3:29pm
I'm getting both ACL'S repaired at the same time on Feb. 17th! One is about a twenty year old injury and the other about a year. Wish me luck...
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Check out Dr. Mark on Thumpertalk Health and Fitness Forum. He does tons of knees on racers and is a racer. He has a hard core attitude that puts some people off but he is aggressive on getting racers back in 6 months. He does the opposite leg patella graft. Just another opinion.
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Jdirrrty wrote:
I hurt my knee a week ago and after an MRI my doc told me I need a acl replacement where they take a graft from...
I hurt my knee a week ago and after an MRI my doc told me I need a acl replacement where they take a graft from the hamstring. I just wanted some opinions from other members that may have had this done. Should I get it over with and have surgery? Or do I try to wait it out? I can walk ok and have decent range of motion still. Any info would be appreciated.
How old are you? Less than 40, use your own. It's a little more painful, but you get back faster (I know that doesn't make sense, but it's true). Over 50, get new parts. I had the former surgery when I was 36 and that knee is incredibly strong. Waiting to do the other surgery on my other knee now (I need new parts).
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so what if you are between 40 and 50?
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Most docs I talked to said don't use hamstring unless you are a sedentary person.The hammy will stretch and/or break if you are active. Happened to 3 people I know of.I had both of my ACL's done with my patella tendon in 1998 and have had no problems.I'm 47 and an active racer and stuntman.
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mcopsey wrote:
One option to consider is opposite leg patella tendon. That was an option for me until it was found that both knees were shredded. Take a...
One option to consider is opposite leg patella tendon. That was an option for me until it was found that both knees were shredded. Take a month before surgery and build as much flexibility and strength in the leg as possible. It will make your recovery time much shorter. I was back on the bike in 3 months on my second and third ACL reconstruction. Get a stationary bike and put it somewhere you will use it A LOT. I put mine in front of the TV and watched football game films while pedaling.


Agree with what Mooch said his wife is having issues with. Kneeling causes the weirdest pain/sensation ever with the patella scar.
This is actually the latest goings on in the last few years...I've seen a couple of articles with this procedure and seem to have a quick recovery...
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TJ 755 wrote:
so what if you are between 40 and 50?
Listen to your Doc. And if you need a good Doc, mine made a believer out of me. When he suggested a 'donor' this time around and I asked him why since the first one did so well, he actually replied. "You're north of 50. You want new-ish or used parts, given that you know what you've subjected your body to? Be honest." Nuff said.

That said, I *know* what my own bod has been through. Some other poor schmuck? Not so much. Tough choice.
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1/26/2010 12:37pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2010 12:37pm
dirthead1 wrote:
Don't do hamstring! I have more problems with my hamstring now than I do with the knee that it fixed.
WHen you say problems do you have a uncomfortable knot now in your leg? I had one hamstring and one done with the patella tendon. The hamstring does bother me once in awhile.
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1/26/2010 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2010 12:49pm
I'm too lazy to read what everybody else has said but here is my experience...I have had acl surgery in both knees. Both times they took a graft from my own tissue. My first surgery was acl, mcl, and miniscus disc. I have no idea if I spelled any of that right. That took about 4 months. The second acl was just an acl tear. They took tissue from my patella tendon. I was riding again in about 3 months. Neither knee bothers me at all anymore. Modern medicine is great!
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i just had mine done yesterday afternoon. i chose to go with a patella graft from the same leg. i've had a tear for 7 years and it finally reuptured in august. i was gonna wait, but opted to get it out of the way; you can do alot of damage without an acl and the recovery time form that is way worse.

i'm doing ok, not really on the pain meds, just motrin and can hobble, but use my crutches still. i'm on a rehab program that started this morning and its kind of painful right now, but i already am able to straighten my leg and can bend my knee till my foot is flat on the floor in a chair. my doc and therapist hav me running at 3 months and on a bike within 4. hope this helps. oh, i hope you like being constipated
1/26/2010 1:12pm
Search out Dr Mark on Thumpertalk.
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TJ 755 wrote:
so what if you are between 40 and 50?
Listen to your Doc. And if you need a good Doc, mine made a believer out of me. When he suggested a 'donor' this time around...
Listen to your Doc. And if you need a good Doc, mine made a believer out of me. When he suggested a 'donor' this time around and I asked him why since the first one did so well, he actually replied. "You're north of 50. You want new-ish or used parts, given that you know what you've subjected your body to? Be honest." Nuff said.

That said, I *know* what my own bod has been through. Some other poor schmuck? Not so much. Tough choice.
I was just messin with ya. I had mine done about 3 years ago when I was 39. I went with the allo. So glad I did. I had the same orthopedic group that did the Seattle Mariners and they have it pretty dialed in. Achilles out of a cadaver all sliced and diced and laced up neatly. They even showed it to me pre op. I was back in action in no time.
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I had neck surgery and they took bone from my hip and it hurt like hell,Could'nt figure out why my neck was better and my hip was'nt. So my dr. sent me to get a ct scan and come to find out they lost or left a sawblade in my hip? The dr. said my body would'nt reject the bone from my own body,But it was rejecting a sawblade! Yea i have a lawsuit in progress!!!!
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i was gonna go with dr. mark. he does get you on a bike in 3 months. it is a little more expensive, but cost was not a factor. my choice to stay local was that i had someone there in case something went wrong and my local therapist knew what his methods were and how rough she could be on me. with that, my therapy will be upto four months and will be cleared to be on a bike before then.
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I had neck surgery and they took bone from my hip and it hurt like hell,Could'nt figure out why my neck was better and my hip...
I had neck surgery and they took bone from my hip and it hurt like hell,Could'nt figure out why my neck was better and my hip was'nt. So my dr. sent me to get a ct scan and come to find out they lost or left a sawblade in my hip? The dr. said my body would'nt reject the bone from my own body,But it was rejecting a sawblade! Yea i have a lawsuit in progress!!!!
Did i read that right a sawblade? How big was it? WOW!

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