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Justthefacts 10/27/2023 1:22pm
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Airick wrote:
I prefer two-strokes, but is now really the time to change the rules?  Three new OEMs are entering SX & MX with 4-stroke models, maybe don’t...

I prefer two-strokes, but is now really the time to change the rules?  Three new OEMs are entering SX & MX with 4-stroke models, maybe don’t piss them off (and the current OEMs).  Maybe with more OEMs involved the few privateers you’re trying to help with the rule change will have rides rather than have to worry about the displacement disadvantage.

Has anyone asked KTM or Yamaha if they would be in favor or an equal displacement rule change in the US?  

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It's not equality, it's not equality, it's not equality.  I've said it atleast 10 times in this post. It is a mere crumb.  This would have...

It's not equality, it's not equality, it's not equality.  I've said it atleast 10 times in this post. It is a mere crumb.  This would have zero effect on OEMs current or future, since it doesn't change any of the top riders or placings.  It's so small of a change, it does nothing but please 31% (according to previous posts) of the fans. Helps a couple riders afford to get to races from donors.  That's pretty much it. 

Airick wrote:

Would a 150/300 really be able to compete with a factory or second tier team 250/450? 

Two strokes were better racing, but it’s fucked unfortunately.  

There's a reason they won't pass this. It's a minor change, and if it wasn't scaring them, they would have passed it and said STFU now. 

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Coly243 10/27/2023 1:40pm
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I think the problem is the 4 stroke capacity. The fact kids are stepping up from 85’s or supermini’s (geographically dependant) straight on to stock 250f’s that produce more power than the last 250 2stroke that pichon or Ricky Carmichael won a championship on is the issue. 

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Flatliner 10/27/2023 1:52pm
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I didn't read the whole thread, but even if it was 250-vs 250, all the riders at star would be on four strokes. 

 

It did work up here in Canada outdoors,  very evenly matched.

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ando 10/27/2023 4:05pm
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Justthefacts wrote:

There's a reason they won't pass this. It's a minor change, and if it wasn't scaring them, they would have passed it and said STFU now. 

Do you have an actual theory about why they won’t support a rule change, other than conspiracy type conjecture?

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Justthefacts 10/27/2023 4:35pm
10/27/2023 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 10/27/2023 4:37pm
Justthefacts wrote:

There's a reason they won't pass this. It's a minor change, and if it wasn't scaring them, they would have passed it and said STFU now. 

ando wrote:

Do you have an actual theory about why they won’t support a rule change, other than conspiracy type conjecture?

The so called conspiracy was when I called BS on the whole emissions thing, saying 2 strokes were going away.  I got it from someone very high inside Ama that said it wasn't true.  Even though I proved that it wasn't the case when 2 stroke snowmobiles were cleaner than the beloved 4 stroke mx bikes.  People had said they wanted equality back then. The truth came out, that they never ever intended to build 2 competing motorcycles.  I found out later that Yamaha made the statement in the Pro Ama meeting that they couldn't consistently beat the 250 2 stroke with less than a 450cc.  So if they were trying to be equal like they had originally stated way back when, that statement wouldn't have made sense.  Funny how most conspiracies come from truth. 

Some day you guys will see, that they have a legitimate fear of letting even a lower cc in. The truth always comes to light.  

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neverwas 10/27/2023 4:40pm
10/27/2023 4:40pm

 The manufactures make the rules, AMA just impliments them, The manufactures like selling four strokes, people buy them and they are more expensive to fix than a two stroke, four strokes have many more parts than a two stroke, more profit for the manufactures.

It's a profit deal.

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Justthefacts 10/27/2023 4:43pm
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neverwas wrote:
 The manufactures make the rules, AMA just impliments them, The manufactures like selling four strokes, people buy them and they are more expensive to fix than...

 The manufactures make the rules, AMA just impliments them, The manufactures like selling four strokes, people buy them and they are more expensive to fix than a two stroke, four strokes have many more parts than a two stroke, more profit for the manufactures.

It's a profit deal.

This

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Gmyersdork 10/27/2023 4:49pm
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Justthefacts wrote:
The so called conspiracy was when I called BS on the whole emissions thing, saying 2 strokes were going away.  I got it from someone very...

The so called conspiracy was when I called BS on the whole emissions thing, saying 2 strokes were going away.  I got it from someone very high inside Ama that said it wasn't true.  Even though I proved that it wasn't the case when 2 stroke snowmobiles were cleaner than the beloved 4 stroke mx bikes.  People had said they wanted equality back then. The truth came out, that they never ever intended to build 2 competing motorcycles.  I found out later that Yamaha made the statement in the Pro Ama meeting that they couldn't consistently beat the 250 2 stroke with less than a 450cc.  So if they were trying to be equal like they had originally stated way back when, that statement wouldn't have made sense.  Funny how most conspiracies come from truth. 

Some day you guys will see, that they have a legitimate fear of letting even a lower cc in. The truth always comes to light.  

How's Louella?

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Justthefacts 10/27/2023 4:51pm
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Justthefacts wrote:
The so called conspiracy was when I called BS on the whole emissions thing, saying 2 strokes were going away.  I got it from someone very...

The so called conspiracy was when I called BS on the whole emissions thing, saying 2 strokes were going away.  I got it from someone very high inside Ama that said it wasn't true.  Even though I proved that it wasn't the case when 2 stroke snowmobiles were cleaner than the beloved 4 stroke mx bikes.  People had said they wanted equality back then. The truth came out, that they never ever intended to build 2 competing motorcycles.  I found out later that Yamaha made the statement in the Pro Ama meeting that they couldn't consistently beat the 250 2 stroke with less than a 450cc.  So if they were trying to be equal like they had originally stated way back when, that statement wouldn't have made sense.  Funny how most conspiracies come from truth. 

Some day you guys will see, that they have a legitimate fear of letting even a lower cc in. The truth always comes to light.  

Gmyersdork wrote:

How's Louella?

What is that?

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OW38B 10/28/2023 8:31am
10/28/2023 8:31am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2023 8:32am

Time for the wimpy 4 strokes to race equal displacement.

They have had 20 years of "affirmative action." Let ALL 250 cc bikes race the Pro 250 cc class.

 

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holeshot413 10/28/2023 5:05pm
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tcannon521 wrote:
SX is already struggling with stadiums allowing four strokes to race in them. Recently there have been concerns/complaints of high levels of carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide...

SX is already struggling with stadiums allowing four strokes to race in them. Recently there have been concerns/complaints of high levels of carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide for dome stadiums during SX. There is no way these stadiums and their lawyers allow a full gate of two strokes to race in their 1.5 billion dollar stadium. 

Are you high?

ever been to a drag race?

nascar?

indy? F1?

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zehn 10/28/2023 5:40pm
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neverwas wrote:
 The manufactures make the rules, AMA just impliments them, The manufactures like selling four strokes, people buy them and they are more expensive to fix than...

 The manufactures make the rules, AMA just impliments them, The manufactures like selling four strokes, people buy them and they are more expensive to fix than a two stroke, four strokes have many more parts than a two stroke, more profit for the manufactures.

It's a profit deal.

4 strokes a cheaper to maintain 

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StillSmokin 10/28/2023 6:00pm
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tcannon521 wrote:
SX is already struggling with stadiums allowing four strokes to race in them. Recently there have been concerns/complaints of high levels of carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide...

SX is already struggling with stadiums allowing four strokes to race in them. Recently there have been concerns/complaints of high levels of carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide for dome stadiums during SX. There is no way these stadiums and their lawyers allow a full gate of two strokes to race in their 1.5 billion dollar stadium. 

holeshot413 wrote:

Are you high?

ever been to a drag race?

nascar?

indy? F1?

I don't think they do any of those in a dome.

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mb 10/28/2023 11:16pm
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There is no going back in time, 250 and 450 here to stay. Cc for CC let the 250’s race and see who wants to build and sell an open class 2 stroke. 

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tcannon521 10/29/2023 6:44am
10/29/2023 6:44am
tcannon521 wrote:
SX is already struggling with stadiums allowing four strokes to race in them. Recently there have been concerns/complaints of high levels of carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide...

SX is already struggling with stadiums allowing four strokes to race in them. Recently there have been concerns/complaints of high levels of carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxide for dome stadiums during SX. There is no way these stadiums and their lawyers allow a full gate of two strokes to race in their 1.5 billion dollar stadium. 

holeshot413 wrote:

Are you high?

ever been to a drag race?

nascar?

indy? F1?

StillSmokin wrote:

I don't think they do any of those in a dome.

Exactly 🤣

Richard Tease II 10/29/2023 1:59pm
10/29/2023 1:59pm

I can see it now. Qualifying races at all rounds with full gates.

racing has to now be carried out over 2 days $$ for promoter.

40 2-strokes leaving for home to watch the coverage on Sunday 

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