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Your story leaves out the fact he only won two main events - two - last year, and I doubt he would have won another even if he'd not been injured and even when Tomac went out. He was only somewhat in the 'hunt' because Sexton kept crashing. He doesn't have the speed of Tomac and Sexton and is nowhere near the level of Jett. And the thing about Jett is he barely, if ever, crashes. Webb will struggle to get near the podium. It's a new era in case you hadn't noticed and Webb's not in it.
Jett, Chase, Roczen, Eli, are all consistently faster than Webb. Yes he was in the hunt last year, but never faster that Eli or Chase. Chase made some unforced errors and gave Webb one of his wins. Roczen was not consistently in the hunt last year, but look at him now, he is flying and probably one of 3 to have a legit shot at challenging Jett. Eli (could go either way but he ain't coming back to just compete) always has the speed and will bring it to Jett. Chase is the defending champ and even though I think he will take a minit to get to speed, he will be lightning fast. And this is where Webb will fit in next year, great race-craft, but 2nd tier speed. In all honesty, if everyone stays healthy, he will be top 5 and lucky to get a handful of podiums.
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Webb and RC shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Webb has done nothing outdoors on a 450 for starters. He also hasn't won 5 supercross titles and has half the wins RC does indoors. Maybe their strategies indoors are somewhat similar but I agree with another poster he's more like Reed, although not nearly as good. Another thing, once RC got into training he never showed up out of shape, unlike Webb who does so on a regular basis.
Just a vibe you're pulling from the dirty air of your crack pipe.
I'm not sure how many times Webb has been written off. Two time champ and was holding the red plate last year, fighting setup on the KTM (wanted to run spring forks I believe but wasn't allowed) and still was one tipover away from another title.
Why don't you point to the place on the Dollie showing where Cooper Webb hurt you....
In Supercross, Webb has been as fast or faster than Roczen more often than Roczen has been faster than Webb since 2019.
Correction, "Coop rips indoors. Still."
Can he train by himself and actually be in shape? Seems like he mails it in when he does so. Webb has 0 450 wins without Aldon as his trainer. He looks overweight at the moment. If he spends time in the gym and on his road bike, he can compete for wins again
Always amusing how a lot of people don't like Webb but the people who do like him tend to REALLY like him, which then sets off a few of the more rowdy or fragile people who don't like him 😂 Maybe a kind of Trevor's Axiom deal from some?
I'm not smart enough to figure it out.
I am one of the few who don't mind Webb at all, while not a superfan. I won't ever count him out though, he's smart and determined, however likely it seems that Jett, Eli, Chase and Kenny may have his number, it's never guaranteed.
In sx? Or mx? Sx webb is a 2 time champ, kroc isnt.
Im not sure about Tomacs speed vs Jett. Plenty of times last winter, Tomac had nothing for Sexton, and now Jett is faster or at the same level at worst as Sexton.
Until Tomac has proven his speed coming back from the injury and being 32 years old? I don’t see him as a clear contender speed wise..
I have no personal feeling toward webb but how is he an underdog poised to make a "rocky" like comeback when he was a coinflip away from winning the supercross title with 2 races to go LAST SEASON?...I mean hes a tip over away from being the current SX champ?
I would say an underdog comeback would be like JA winning the title or Barcia maybe?
Not really a Coop fan, but the racing will always be better with him in it. One thing for sure...a relaxed & confident Webb is a dangerous Webb. He was not relaxed or confident his last year at KTM, and that was evident. I don't think for a second he can beat guys like Jett, Sexton or even Tomac...but he might figure out a way to be on the boxes consistently enough to finish top-3 when the smoke clears. It'll be exciting to watch!
Agree to disagree. Outside of one season, Dungey also was never the fastest guy in supercross. There's other ways to win outside of being the fastest guy and history continues to show us that over and over.
Also keep in mind, we have yet to see Jett in a 450 SX. He's extremely fast and talented and looks to be a future champ, but we've said the same thing about a lot of guys in the past. I think Jett will struggle through 17 SX rounds much more then people seem to think. Not saying he wont win or be in the title hunt, but I do not think we see anything remotely close to what we saw outdoors.
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Random question, When someone writes Jett, Sexton am I the only one who reads it as Jeff Stanton?
Correct, but he is battling guys that don't crash a lot (ok, Chase, but he is consistently in the hunt) Eli had 1 crash last year, even his season ender he didn't crash, just landed wrong. Jett is not a crasher, Hunter is not a crasher. Kenny is not a crasher. They are all fast and consistent. It will definitely be an uphill battle for Cooper, I hope he's working on his Whoop speed (I hear Chad is a good teacher) Lol
yes
Only Honda and KTM will win in -24 450SX and i am pretty sure Hunter and Aaron is not in this prediction.
Unless Barcia wins A1!!
All other teams will have a shitty time overall until Jett gets bored and goes autoracing…
I remember when Damon Bradshaw was a sure bet for multiple SX championships and I wish he would have.
Lots of WDS on Vital.
There’s a reason they drop the gate and run the races…
just saying it would be a pretty riveting tale if it happens. he KNOWs what he has in front of him. mid-late stage career, former stinging wasp on a 250. if he trains with that mindset for 24... no more long play or "wear them down" strategy but goes for risk, speed, and all-out aggression, it would be the biggest story since RC beat McGrath. and that's how RC beat McGrath btw. the long play approach came later. in 2001 RC was all about blazing, aggressive speed. I feel people forget that. I think Webb could be planning this very thing for 2024.
One thing we just don’t know yet is Webb’s amazing ability to cut those inside lines on the track to ride really efficiently, is he able to do that on the Yamaha too? Or was the KTM an advantage there? If he loses that edge over the competition, it may be a lot more challenging for him.
Surely you can come up with a better term than the Carmichael card if you want a discussion and not just push-back. That’s pretty much trolling and baiting. The Dungey card maybe? Carmichael may have mailed it on a few occasions ever, like Vegas ‘03, but he was fast af all of time. Usually fastest. Dungey was sometimes, but often enough without giving anything away.
I agree with your point that Webb, if he is training like a maniac for pure speed, may be the one to give the Jett more turbulence than he can handle. Many times in recent years he just picked up beast-mode Tomac speed out of nowhere.
WDS is my line....
...but yeah, I agree.
(the funniest thing is, I know there will be some cherubs on Vital who have no idea what recording medium that gif shows... lol)
Size matters...
SX, going by Kenny's present form, though we have to expect Webb to be more dialled in on the Yamaha than he was in SMX.
Not saying Kenny will beat him, and as said I'm definitely not gonna count Webb out, but it seems Kenny is going well at the moment.
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