Woman sues gender clinic

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Did a Google search and found that mostly "right wing" news sources actually reported this. The NYT referred to it in a story about how Republicans are making a mountain out of a molehill. 

This is a human story. Not a political one.

I fucking hate the left!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12514799/gender-dysphoria-sex-change-surgery-suing-doctors.html

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borg wrote:
Did a Google search and found that mostly "right wing" news sources actually reported this. The NYT referred to it in a story about how Republicans...

Did a Google search and found that mostly "right wing" news sources actually reported this. The NYT referred to it in a story about how Republicans are making a mountain out of a molehill. 

This is a human story. Not a political one.

I fucking hate the left!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12514799/gender-dysphoria-sex-change-surgery-suing-doctors.html

The sheer mass of informed consent lawsuits that will come out of this trend will create a huge load on the healthcare system when hospitals and insurance companies are required to pay out the settlements. This is going to increase costs for all users throughout the system. 

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It's absolutely disgusting when you see parents pushing this shit on their young children,then you have teachers now who are just as guilty . 

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borg wrote:
Did a Google search and found that mostly "right wing" news sources actually reported this. The NYT referred to it in a story about how Republicans...

Did a Google search and found that mostly "right wing" news sources actually reported this. The NYT referred to it in a story about how Republicans are making a mountain out of a molehill. 

This is a human story. Not a political one.

I fucking hate the left!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12514799/gender-dysphoria-sex-change-surgery-suing-doctors.html

The sheer mass of informed consent lawsuits that will come out of this trend will create a huge load on the healthcare system when hospitals and...

The sheer mass of informed consent lawsuits that will come out of this trend will create a huge load on the healthcare system when hospitals and insurance companies are required to pay out the settlements. This is going to increase costs for all users throughout the system. 

You mean somebody will have to pay more to get their teenage daughter's tits cut off?

Oh the humanity!

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9/15/2023 9:34am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2023 9:47am

children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't vote. A kid can't make their own medical decisions...etc., etc., etc. ...

But, when it comes to virtual "child mutilation"...? The left is all in.

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TeamGreen wrote:
That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't...

That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't vote. A kid can't make their own medical decisions...etc., etc., etc. ...

But, when it comes to virtual "child mutilation"...? The left is all in.

I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of suicide, so allowing them to transition to the opposite sex sooner rather than later will give them a better chance for improved quality of life, but this isn't it. I fully believe that a child knows their sexual orientation at an early age, but I do not believe they are developed enough to know that a decision that they make at 8, 12, 16-whatever, will last forever.

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I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of...

I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of suicide, so allowing them to transition to the opposite sex sooner rather than later will give them a better chance for improved quality of life, but this isn't it. I fully believe that a child knows their sexual orientation at an early age, but I do not believe they are developed enough to know that a decision that they make at 8, 12, 16-whatever, will last forever.

 

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9/15/2023 10:32am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2023 10:36am

I swear, some days, this planet is ripe for an ELE asteroid hit.

California just passed a bill to take kids away from their parents for not affirming the kids gender choice.    

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/09/08/california-passes-bill-st…

 

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children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate?

This world is very confusing to me. Unsure

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Almost time to get out the pitchforks, load the muskets and end this bullshit

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ToolMaker wrote:
Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate? This...

Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate?

This world is very confusing to me. Unsure

FWIW, they let/force kids  to get baptized which is a life-long obligation to god - also insane

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9/15/2023 10:56am

children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

ToolMaker wrote:
Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate? This...

Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate?

This world is very confusing to me. Unsure

FWIW, they let/force kids  to get baptized which is a life-long obligation to god - also insane

It's a lot easier to renege on that decision than to reattach body parts. 

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children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

ToolMaker wrote:
Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate? This...

Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate?

This world is very confusing to me. Unsure

FWIW, they let/force kids  to get baptized which is a life-long obligation to god - also insane

A lifelong obligation to a god you don't believe exists is maybe, just a teensy bit little lighter of a load to carry, in this comparison.

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children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

ToolMaker wrote:
Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate? This...

Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate?

This world is very confusing to me. Unsure

FWIW, they let/force kids  to get baptized which is a life-long obligation to god - also insane

It's worth zero. As a matter of fact it hurts my brain just to read that. How traumatic that must have been, having water poured over you or heaven forbid you even got dunked. Baptism is only as valid as your belief. You can walk away from catholicism at any time with no physical deformities.

TM

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9/15/2023 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2023 2:14pm

An adult can do whatever they want, more power to them, I don't judge and don't care...if you're happy I'm happy...you treat me and mine with respect, I'll treat you and yours with respect.  I don't agree with it, but I probably do lots of things that they might disagree with it...it is what it is.  We're equals. 

But when the government (via public schools) is changing a child-especially WITHOUT the parents consent...that's just plain wrong.    Parents aren't allowed to give minors alcohol (even if they don't care if their minor drinks alcohol)...parents can't let their child drive a car (even if they personally feel that child is capable)...parents can't let their minors have tobacco (even if they approve)...but yet...parent's-and even WORSE, the government-can cut off their childrens body parts and/or give them drugs to change their hormone levels and attempt to change their gender?  There is no excuse for that inconsistency...

The woke left is absolutely off their rocker with all of this nonsense...

 

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9/15/2023 2:08pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2023 2:08pm

Awful lot of religion/bashing of religion in this thread and others lately.     Believe that's against the rules. 

 

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Magoofan wrote:

Awful lot of religion/bashing of religion in this thread and others lately.     Believe that's against the rules. 

 

Where's the bashing?

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I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them until at least the age of majority. Obviously there may be exceptions for the extremely rare instances where a child is born with both male and female genitalia, etc. 

But genital mutilation is not a right vs left issue in the vast majority of cases. Around 80% of males in the US are genitally mutilated (mostly in childhood) but because it is considered acceptable by society it isn’t a hot button issue. 

But it does make you wonder if a man should be able to successfully sue a doctor who performed his circumcision while he was an infant. 
 

 

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9/15/2023 6:31pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2023 6:31pm

Why are/why have circumcision being/been performed to begin with? Is there a medically viable explanation? 

Asking for a friend.

Btw, the responsible party for the VAST MAJORITY of circumcisions are…

The Parent(s).

Next-up: female genitalia mutations in certain Asian cultures. 

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children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

TeamGreen wrote:
That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't...

That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't vote. A kid can't make their own medical decisions...etc., etc., etc. ...

But, when it comes to virtual "child mutilation"...? The left is all in.

Don’t forget that many of the same folks saying kids should be able to decide this as early as pre-teen (some even earlier) also say that anyone under 18 shouldn’t be held criminally liable and/or incarcerated for virtually any crime because their “brains haven’t fully developed “…

I’ll let you add your patented line, lol

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children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

TeamGreen wrote:
That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't...

That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't vote. A kid can't make their own medical decisions...etc., etc., etc. ...

But, when it comes to virtual "child mutilation"...? The left is all in.

PNWMXer wrote:
Don’t forget that many of the same folks saying kids should be able to decide this as early as pre-teen (some even earlier) also say that...

Don’t forget that many of the same folks saying kids should be able to decide this as early as pre-teen (some even earlier) also say that anyone under 18 shouldn’t be held criminally liable and/or incarcerated for virtually any crime because their “brains haven’t fully developed “…

I’ll let you add your patented line, lol

1. I’m jus’ sayin’…

2. You CAN NOT make this shit up!

Pick one. 😂💪🏼🏍🐿️😎

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9/15/2023 7:19pm

children should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions

ToolMaker wrote:
Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate? This...

Wait a minute, you're saying they won't let a kid buy and drink a beer, but they'll let him make a decision to self castrate?

This world is very confusing to me. Unsure

FWIW, they let/force kids  to get baptized which is a life-long obligation to god - also insane

I'm the furthest thing from a religious person, but you're comparing apples to asteroids.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Why are/why have circumcision being/been performed to begin with? Is there a medically viable explanation?  Asking for a friend. Btw, the responsible party for the VAST...

Why are/why have circumcision being/been performed to begin with? Is there a medically viable explanation? 

Asking for a friend.

Btw, the responsible party for the VAST MAJORITY of circumcisions are…

The Parent(s).

Next-up: female genitalia mutations in certain Asian cultures. 

Yeah kinda.

Uncircumcised penises can capture and hold problem bacteria that can be transmitted to others easily. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't...

That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't vote. A kid can't make their own medical decisions...etc., etc., etc. ...

But, when it comes to virtual "child mutilation"...? The left is all in.

I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of...

I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of suicide, so allowing them to transition to the opposite sex sooner rather than later will give them a better chance for improved quality of life, but this isn't it. I fully believe that a child knows their sexual orientation at an early age, but I do not believe they are developed enough to know that a decision that they make at 8, 12, 16-whatever, will last forever.

They have a high suicide rate because they have severe mental health issues. Just like they believe they’re a different gender because they have severe mental health issues. But hey, let’s just lie to them and tell them they’re right and they’re the opposite gender. Or not gender. Or both genders. Or whatever they believe. Let’s just ignore that they’re completely mentally unstable and should be helped. 

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9/16/2023 9:00am Edited Date/Time 9/16/2023 9:04am
TeamGreen wrote:
That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't...

That's what is so unf'ing believable when it comes to these matters. A kid can't smoke (legally). A kid can't get a tattoo. A kid can't vote. A kid can't make their own medical decisions...etc., etc., etc. ...

But, when it comes to virtual "child mutilation"...? The left is all in.

I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of...

I think I know where some on the left are coming from, in that trans often lead a difficult life and have a high rate of suicide, so allowing them to transition to the opposite sex sooner rather than later will give them a better chance for improved quality of life, but this isn't it. I fully believe that a child knows their sexual orientation at an early age, but I do not believe they are developed enough to know that a decision that they make at 8, 12, 16-whatever, will last forever.

agn5008 wrote:
They have a high suicide rate because they have severe mental health issues. Just like they believe they’re a different gender because they have severe mental...

They have a high suicide rate because they have severe mental health issues. Just like they believe they’re a different gender because they have severe mental health issues. But hey, let’s just lie to them and tell them they’re right and they’re the opposite gender. Or not gender. Or both genders. Or whatever they believe. Let’s just ignore that they’re completely mentally unstable and should be helped. 

Well, that won’t be received well! Laughing

Lets see how this is received: a father goes to a school-board meeting to confront the board over their attempt to sweep his daughter being SEXUALLY ASSAULTED by one of their Trans-Darlings…in the restroom…AT SCHOOL…she was in the 9th grade…he was a 15 y/o and the story goes that he claims to be “trans”…the school board was trying to sweep it under the rug…the father was arrested…you know, one of those “terrorist parents” and all that…

From a news story…

A 15-year-old male accused of sexually assaulting a ninth-grade girl in a Loudoun County public school bathroom in May was recently found guilty on all charges. A juvenile court judge found the evidence enough to convict but is holding on sentencing until the convicted teenager is tried for another alleged assault at a different high school.

Frim another news story and as close as you’re gonna get to actual reporting on the 15 year old dude being trans or the like…because we all know how the media carries the woke water…

Scott Smith was charged with obstruction of justice and disorderly conduct in connection to a June 2021 Loudoun County School Board meeting where parents and the community discussed LCPS Policy 8040, which lets transgender students to use bathrooms that correspond with the gender identity

Smith -- whose then-15-year-old daughter had been sexually assaulted in the girls' bathroom of her high school a month prior by a boy wearing a skirt -- was arrested while arguing with a woman at the meeting, LoudounNow reported.

So, what about the people WE ENDANGER with all this WOKE INSANITY? 

The POINT: some EXTREMELY WEAK people actually say…”If this saves one trans kids life…yada, yada, yada…” as they pass insane laws and make crazy legal decisions…all in the face of the constitution…while IGNORING SHIT LIKE “Trans” OFFENDERS like in the Smith case…where-by this Trans-Insanity HAS BROUGHT HARM UPON OUR KIDS. 

Or this Trans-Lunatic…that The Democrats ACTUALLY EMPOWERED…

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And never-mind this absolute Clown Show who’s appearance before The Senate and ensuing outright denial of reality in his/her answers was soooooo telling of what this administration is really about…

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When people tell me that who I vote for “Doesn’t matter”…? I reflect on this insanity and know they are wrong. Then I remind myself that insanity has taken power in the past…and who we elect is the only way to deal with it in our Representative Republic. 

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9/16/2023 9:07am Edited Date/Time 9/16/2023 9:13am
APLMAN99 wrote:
I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them...

I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them until at least the age of majority. Obviously there may be exceptions for the extremely rare instances where a child is born with both male and female genitalia, etc. 

But genital mutilation is not a right vs left issue in the vast majority of cases. Around 80% of males in the US are genitally mutilated (mostly in childhood) but because it is considered acceptable by society it isn’t a hot button issue. 

But it does make you wonder if a man should be able to successfully sue a doctor who performed his circumcision while he was an infant. 
 

 

In the case under discussion, the young lady participated in the approval of the surgery. Not so in circumcision.

As I understand it, the clinic she went to, diagnosed her within an hour and surgery was ordered after 2 visits. This is her side of it of course but something has happened over the last few years that seemingly has turned medical ethics on it's head. Especially with regards to pediatric mental health. The rush to diagnose gender dysphoria seems almost like a fad or is it something else? Another one was ADHD. 

I have my own experiences with the healthcare profession that has really diminished my previous assessment of their ethical standards.

It's too bad that this issue has become so political. As most of us know, the first casualty of politics, is the truth.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them...

I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them until at least the age of majority. Obviously there may be exceptions for the extremely rare instances where a child is born with both male and female genitalia, etc. 

But genital mutilation is not a right vs left issue in the vast majority of cases. Around 80% of males in the US are genitally mutilated (mostly in childhood) but because it is considered acceptable by society it isn’t a hot button issue. 

But it does make you wonder if a man should be able to successfully sue a doctor who performed his circumcision while he was an infant. 
 

 

borg wrote:
In the case under discussion, the young lady participated in the approval of the surgery. Not so in circumcision. As I understand it, the clinic she...

In the case under discussion, the young lady participated in the approval of the surgery. Not so in circumcision.

As I understand it, the clinic she went to, diagnosed her within an hour and surgery was ordered after 2 visits. This is her side of it of course but something has happened over the last few years that seemingly has turned medical ethics on it's head. Especially with regards to pediatric mental health. The rush to diagnose gender dysphoria seems almost like a fad or is it something else? Another one was ADHD. 

I have my own experiences with the healthcare profession that has really diminished my previous assessment of their ethical standards.

It's too bad that this issue has become so political. As most of us know, the first casualty of politics, is the truth.

Seems whacked - who ordered the surgery? Responsiblity should be there. Can't see a clinic just doing this on their own accord. Also think surgery should not be an option for minors.

 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them...

I don’t think that children (generally) should be allowed to have these types of surgeries nor should parents be able to make these decisions for them until at least the age of majority. Obviously there may be exceptions for the extremely rare instances where a child is born with both male and female genitalia, etc. 

But genital mutilation is not a right vs left issue in the vast majority of cases. Around 80% of males in the US are genitally mutilated (mostly in childhood) but because it is considered acceptable by society it isn’t a hot button issue. 

But it does make you wonder if a man should be able to successfully sue a doctor who performed his circumcision while he was an infant. 
 

 

borg wrote:
In the case under discussion, the young lady participated in the approval of the surgery. Not so in circumcision. As I understand it, the clinic she...

In the case under discussion, the young lady participated in the approval of the surgery. Not so in circumcision.

As I understand it, the clinic she went to, diagnosed her within an hour and surgery was ordered after 2 visits. This is her side of it of course but something has happened over the last few years that seemingly has turned medical ethics on it's head. Especially with regards to pediatric mental health. The rush to diagnose gender dysphoria seems almost like a fad or is it something else? Another one was ADHD. 

I have my own experiences with the healthcare profession that has really diminished my previous assessment of their ethical standards.

It's too bad that this issue has become so political. As most of us know, the first casualty of politics, is the truth.

What other countries are experiencing this? Does this seem to be a problem in Mexico? Israel? Egypt? Is this a problem in Russia? China? I don't recall reading that this is an issue in those other countries. So why is it all of a sudden it's it going on here?

Is there a underlying political group creating this problem to distract us from other stuff? You would think, if you were a nefarious person and needed to create a distraction you ask yourself, what do people really care about? Of course the answer to that is their kids. So how can we totally occupy their parents attention? Well, you cause a catastrophic dystopia with their kids. And kids are fu@king stupid, so all you need to do is implant a few stupid ideas in their head and nurture those ideas until they believe it. Now they want to NOT tell the parents so they can nurture those ideas so much, it's to late to undo the damage when you find out. So of course everyone is distracted because they need to focus on their kids not getting fu@ked up.

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