The two 20 minute motos really seemed to be the best of all worlds imo. It was long enough to allow endurance to factor in, but short enough that it didnt ever drag out. In mx theres a lot of times where after the 20 minute mark the last 10+ minutes are just running down the clock. At the other end in sx the triple crown races that are around 10 minutes long and under many times just feels too short. If somebody gets a bad start 10 minutes is many times not long enough for somebody to charge through the pack to the front. The WSX races that are like 5 minutes dont really allow much of anything to happen besides somebody getting a good start and finishing towards the front of the pack.
The 20 minute races really felt like the perfect sweet spot. It was long enough that when Jett was buried in the pack he had enough time to cut his way through the pack and make it to second. It was also short enough that none of the races ever got into the territory where they felt like they were just dragging ass. Also the 2 motos was a natural fit as mx has been doing this forever. Sometimes in the triple crown if someone does good the first 2 races they can just putt around the 3rd race, but thats not the case here both are important. Home run with the 2 20 min motos.
I agree. Not really liking all the negativity coming from industry people about these races in the post race shows. Matthes, ML and Lewis saying 20 minutes + 1 lap is too long of a race and it drags on but that means people who sign up to see the biggest stars of the sport get to see them race for 40 minutes and 2 laps the entire day in each class. The broadcast did seem to drag on but it was because there was such a long break between the first and second motos, the races seemed to go by pretty quick considering how much we had to wait around. Also shaking my head at some of the riders saying "the track was too rough, it felt like a motocross track and I had a hard time setting up the bike." Isn't that the entire point, to challenge these guys? I don't know why they were expecting it to be easy... After all weren't they all saying it just a dirtbike track with jumps and turns, it's not that big of a deal before raceday?
I dunno, I'm way more entertained by these last 3 races than I expected to be. Maybe because it is something that is clearly a challenge and something new/different for these guys while it still being familiar.
Agree, I know the purist will say we are too soft, but outdoors should go to 20+2. Keep the races moving, possibly help with getting on network tv or allow an intermission “futures” or god forbid 2 stroke class.
The weege show talked about the stoke everyone involved seemed to be sharing after the races.
I too found myself liking this race more than I thought I would.
2 20min motos were a perfect format.
Perhaps a few SX series races could adopt that.
Daytona and Atlanta maybe??
Or Friday and Saturday races at the same venue,
Like they did in the past.
My view is still that the real seasons of SX and MX are over.
But these three races, to me, are going to be fun to watch.
Especially knowing riders will be pocketing some serious $$$, that we all know they deserve.
Stark Future would be happy with 20 minute motos!
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2x 20 min motos > three short triple crown races any day. If they can figure out how to fill the break properly that we fans don't have to watch a hour of commercials, that's really the sweet spot. Better to watch than having heat races imo
I like your take. I was glued to the TV each gate drop yesterday. Not that I have any major problem with how either SX or MX are run these days, but this initial SMX playoff round was a surprising breath of fresh air. I liked the two 20 min motos (baby bear's porridge). I liked the unique style of the track. One thing I noticed too was it seemed more difficult for guys who got a bad start to pick through the pack. Sometimes in SX a top guy will start towards the back but very quickly weave their way up towards the front (likely a larger skill gap between factory guys and non-factory on these gnarly technical SX tracks). The track yesterday seemed to level the playing field a bit more. Also, adding the 65 race was cool! Maybe they can do 65's, 85's, 125's at each of the three playoff rounds respectively. All in all, I think this new format opened up some new ideas for the future.
Believe the next round is 85s, local kid is racing in it
You're in luck! There will be superminis next weekend in Chicago and then they're doing 250f amateur at the final. Would be cool if they finished it off with 125's though.
I wouldn't mind outdoors going to 2 20min+2 motos like that
Nope. 30+2 can stay outdoors.
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Yea it’s clear the media guys did not see the same race everyone else did if they want the motos shorter. That’s horse shit.
also, Steve has terrible takes about smx but on the other hand will pump up wsx(before if fell apart).
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Steve's credibility keeps slipping into the drink....
I'd like to see the outdoors go to 3 20+2 motos!
Stark Future would like that too!
I think the media guys see it as being too long because of the lack of action at the front for the last 5 minutes or so. I don't know how much passing was going on elsewhere during the last 5 minutes, and maybe there was little to none. The lap times are long, the track was super fast, and it makes it easier (IMO) for guys to separate themselves from one another.
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I like it. And x2 longer races over a triple crown for sure. Seems safer, more settled and enjoyable to watch.
man that track looked fast though, hard to find the balance I guess. Split lanes worked really well. Cool to see those guys who make passes happen and don’t like to follow use it to their advantage.
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Triple crown, 2nd moto awards twice the points of the first moto, 3rd moto awards 4 times the points of the 1st moto, winner is the rider with the most points at the end.
Media would love it, it all comes down to the final moto!
20+2 X 3 motos
LOL.
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20+1 Fu*k that! Just because you guys can not focus for longer than 22 minutes at a time don’t mean the races need to be shorter.
That thread isn't about MX tho
SX 20+2
MX 20-25+2
I'd rather see SX take over this format than lessen motocross to 20 min + 2 motos. 30+2 in moto is perfect.
It would be interesting to try a 3x (20+2) for one race in MX, maybe impromptu on a day when the temps are super, super high.
This would give us all a chance to see if we like it, and also maybe be a bit safer for the riders.
Overall I think 2x (30+2) is just about perfect, but it would be worth a try for one race.
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