Big strong and/or Tall guys have no place in pro MX/SX these days

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Kinetic1 12/26/2009 5:19pm
12/26/2009 5:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:38pm
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do.

I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and I haven't "done" porn since I gave my life to Christ. Besides this is way more entertaining. And your argument still has no merrit in the grand scheme of things.
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Moto112 12/26/2009 5:36pm
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Kinetic1 wrote:
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do. I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and...
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do.

I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and I haven't "done" porn since I gave my life to Christ. Besides this is way more entertaining. And your argument still has no merrit in the grand scheme of things.
That explains everything.

You should have stuck with the drugs, and gave porn a second chance.

In the grand scheme of things, you are the only thing that doesn't matter.
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Kinetic1 12/26/2009 5:44pm
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I take myself far less seriously than you obviously do.

What is an "expalin"?
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wreckitrandy 12/26/2009 5:51pm
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mccread wrote:
Pastrana, Everts were tall too RJ and BAiley beat ward and they were taller. Thorpe is 6 foot. Dungey and pourcel are not small guys either...
Pastrana, Everts were tall too RJ and BAiley beat ward and they were taller. Thorpe is 6 foot. Dungey and pourcel are not small guys either, neither is Rattary.

I do think tall riders may be susceptable to injuries in some cases due to having less muscle but it doesn't matter what height you are it is the rider skill that matter, being small has advantages and disadvantages as does being tall.
Oh no,,,,,,, I agree with mccread. I'm sorry Gibby. It'll never happen again. Outside of that, this thread delivers.

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mr_big 12/26/2009 5:55pm
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Kinetic1 wrote:
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do. I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and...
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do.

I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and I haven't "done" porn since I gave my life to Christ. Besides this is way more entertaining. And your argument still has no merrit in the grand scheme of things.
Moto112 wrote:
That explains everything. You should have stuck with the drugs, and gave porn a second chance. In the grand scheme of things, you are the only...
That explains everything.

You should have stuck with the drugs, and gave porn a second chance.

In the grand scheme of things, you are the only thing that doesn't matter.
I was wrong.

You're not a proper tool.

You're a proper fucktard.
Poker_Player 12/26/2009 6:38pm
12/26/2009 6:38pm
Kinetic1 wrote:
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do. I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and...
You apparently are not armed to have this argument if that is the best you can do.

I haven't done drugs since I was 18 and I haven't "done" porn since I gave my life to Christ. Besides this is way more entertaining. And your argument still has no merrit in the grand scheme of things.
I gave my life to Christ

Seriously? How many years ago was that? You seem to have quite a few smart ass remarks, which doesn't seem to be how someone that "gave their life to Christ" would act.

The correcting typo thing is lame at best.
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redalert144 12/26/2009 6:59pm
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back to why doesn't the AMA or FIM have a rider+bike minimum weight? Gibby maybe?
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Moto112 12/26/2009 7:15pm
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redalert144 wrote:
back to why doesn't the AMA or FIM have a rider+bike minimum weight? Gibby maybe?
The Pro riders association should address this and get the teams to test theories.

I'll be talking to a few of the over 6'2" guys to get their ideas on this. We'll see what they think.
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motoxhead 12/26/2009 7:16pm
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redalert144 wrote:
back to why doesn't the AMA or FIM have a rider+bike minimum weight? Gibby maybe?
I thought we covered this already. Because it is a retarded idea.


Mike Alessi weights 150 soaking weight. Matt Goerke weighs 200lb.


The current bike weight minimum is 220.


With your bright idea to have a min rider+bike weight Alessi would have to add something in the neighborhood of 30lbs to his bike (250lb factory mxer!) with an average combined weight rule of 400lbs. Goerke's bike could weigh 200lbs. Getting the picture yet? And that is assuming an average rider weight of 180lbs.



How exactly do you think this plan is going to work? Go to the gym and work on squatting more than my grandmother and you won't need to whine as much.



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Moto112 12/26/2009 7:43pm
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The only thing that is retarded is to keep doing nothing.

No one has the answers, it all takes time to figure out. All that needs to happen now is to identify a possible need. I think most agree that there is a need for something, who knows what. but, something anyway.
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wow
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LouDog 12/26/2009 7:58pm
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Ddavis wrote:
wow
WOW is right this guy does not get or understand how professional racing works.
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Alex 12/26/2009 8:11pm
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Heres the practice times from Lierop this summer. Ken DeDyker was 6 seconds faster than De Reuver in 2nd and yet 2nd to 8th were covered by just 6 tenths of a second. Theres not a chance in hell the DeDyker could make those guys look that stupid if he wasnt well over 6 foot. Anyone watching him manhandle that bike over the bumps could see his sheer size was a massive advantage, at least on a track with bumps that big.





Pos Nr Rider Nat. Fed. Bike Bestlaptime in lap Diff. First Diff. Prev. Tot. Laps Speed

1 9 de Dycker, Ken BEL FMB Suzuki 1:52.534 6 0:00.000 0:00.000 8 55.983

2 14 de Reuver, Marc NED KNMV Honda 1:58.179 8 0:05.645 0:05.645 8 53.309

3 19 Philippaerts, David ITA FMI Yamaha 1:58.421 6 0:05.887 0:00.242 12 53.2

4 25 Desalle, Clement BEL FMB Honda 1:58.564 7 0:06.030 0:00.143 12 53.136

5 8 Leok, Tanel EST EMF Yamaha 1:58.583 4 0:06.049 0:00.019 10 53.127

6 6 Coppins, Joshua NZL MNZ Yamaha 1:58.605 12 0:06.071 0:00.022 12 53.117

7 7 Barragan, Jonathan ESP RFME KTM 1:58.884 4 0:06.350 0:00.279 9 52.993

8 211 Mackenzie, Billy GBR ACU Honda 1:58.890 3 0:06.356 0:00.006 7 52.99

lostboy819 12/26/2009 8:24pm
12/26/2009 8:24pm Edited Date/Time 12/26/2009 8:32pm
No, the problem isn't that big and tall riders are at a disadvantage its hair color. RC has red hair, Jeff Ward has red hair, RV has red hair, Ferry has red hair and their all blazing fast.So the reason I am not a factory must because I have brown hair. Damn if I had only figured it out sooner maybe we could have had the AMA change the rules and let everyone without red hair have a lap head start.
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loftyair 12/26/2009 8:30pm
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Moto112 wrote:
I've seen Preston ride, he's the only guy to beat James Stweart out of a 125/250 SX title. He ususlaly gets too tired to hang on...
I've seen Preston ride, he's the only guy to beat James Stweart out of a 125/250 SX title. He ususlaly gets too tired to hang on most of the time, but I like him anway. I said there were exceptiions, DeDytker is a bad ass, if he were 5' 7" he'd be a 4-time world champ by now, not a one or two time GP winner.

If some of you don't think there is an advantage to being small then ride a BMX bike tomorrow, just like you did when you were a kid, I bet you can't keep it under you, even if you are 5' 6", the CG is higher, and the wheelbase is too short for your CG. Thats what Windhan and Milsaps have to over come ever turn, every lap every second of the race.

If you don't hink its a valid discussion, put your helment on to cover the point (on the top of your head) Ha ha!

We could be racing 40-minute motos still, if the tall guys did'nt have heat strokes.
The fastest BMX'ers are actually built pretty big. Lots of x-games guys are big on bmx, and skateboards too. Now why arent midgets the best at skateboarding? T-hawk is pretty tall. Go get yourself a cr500af, then see if you do any better. You will surely get the most important holeshot, unless you suck no matter what you are riding. Yet I do see your point, that is why it should be open, open to any displacement, any stroke. You will not see any one any good on a 1000cc. Thats for sure. Premier Class for the fastest, Support Class for the ones to come, or left.
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FIREfish148 12/26/2009 8:39pm
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Moto just drop it dude your rambling on about something that has a lot of holes in it. Its an opinion that im sure at least 5% of the novices out there agree with 100%.
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loftyair 12/26/2009 8:43pm
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Lets add 100# to the 150# football player, see how that works out. Then make the 350# guy lose 100#, or he simply cant play. All you need to do is prove to the manufacturers that you are the fastest in the world and they will make you whatever you want I'm sure.

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jeffro503 12/26/2009 9:14pm
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Moto112 wrote:
The only thing that is retarded is to keep doing nothing. No one has the answers, it all takes time to figure out. All that needs...
The only thing that is retarded is to keep doing nothing.

No one has the answers, it all takes time to figure out. All that needs to happen now is to identify a possible need. I think most agree that there is a need for something, who knows what. but, something anyway.
TIME TO VENT A LITTLE :


Most agree on what? WTF are you talking about? Something needs to be done? You are going to talk to the "pro riders association"??....WTF? HAHA!! Dude , when i first read your original post , i agreed you posted some things that were true ( Things everyone already knows!) About how some taller riders may have a disadvantage on some tracks....and all that shit.

You act like we know nothing about the sport of SX/MX.......you arrogant fucking baffoon! I have forgotten more about this sport than you will ever know! I not only raced bikes for 30+ years , but was a trainer for kids on and off the bike!

Maybe we should get some of the professional trainers in here ( which some do post here) and you can give them the break down on how they should train a rider! OH NO.....wait.......You could save them a lot of time and energy by telling them which guys "will make it" and "Which ones won't".......because of their fucking size! Don't waste your time on the bigger guys.......they are not worth it , is what you are saying correct?

Your ideas of adding weights to bikes and so forth have got to be the stupidest fucking thing i have ever heard. And THEN......you fucktard , have the balls to come in here and give Loudog ( Weston Peick's dad) advice on how his son should race in his MX career?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Jesus Christ.....i'm not sure where the fuck you came from , but where ever it was....please go back there!
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Yaya 12/26/2009 9:35pm
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This has been taken to 5pgs already...shit.
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Moto East Mag 12/26/2009 10:33pm
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Good Lord- a newbie comes on with his first post at 500 words and five pages later is calling people out and rewriting the laws of motophysics . And 30 posts later throwing down all kinds of internet bravado. Either this place is slipping or A1 needs to start quick.!
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Yaya 12/26/2009 10:42pm
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Moto East Mag wrote:
Good Lord- a newbie comes on with his first post at 500 words and five pages later is calling people out and rewriting the laws of...
Good Lord- a newbie comes on with his first post at 500 words and five pages later is calling people out and rewriting the laws of motophysics . And 30 posts later throwing down all kinds of internet bravado. Either this place is slipping or A1 needs to start quick.!
X's The Universe! A1 needs to get on it cause where gonna die in a forum stuper!
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ShookOne 12/26/2009 10:57pm
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Bigger guys can handle the rough stuff better...the smaller guys can handle the corners better. There that would of ended the thread at post #2.
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motoxhead 12/27/2009 12:17am
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bigcat wrote:
oops.





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Chad Reed totally killed those averages with his XXsmall head.

In hindsight I am the perfect rider. I wonder why I am not a champion. Must be because the bikes are made for midgets.
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Fat Fingers 12/27/2009 2:36am
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ShookOne wrote:
Bigger guys can handle the rough stuff better...the smaller guys can handle the corners better. There that would of ended the thread at post #2.

I think though that most time is made up in corners so advantage has to go with shorter riders.

Mx bikes are designed for the average height rider, any variance to that must be a disadvantage. A tall set of bars doesn't fix that.

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sixdayguy 12/27/2009 4:45am
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Everyone go read the Bob Hannah interview posted on MXA this morning, I think it answers the question of this post! I am talking to you Moto112!
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mx317 12/27/2009 5:22am
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I think there is some merit to size in motocross, but it is BALL and HEART size. Let's everyone give ole Moto112 a big STFU and ignore him after that.
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There ya have it.

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