Why Haiden Deegan will be on the MXdN Team

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I can understand his frustration and applause Dylan for wanting to race for his country.

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I think Deegan is the best choice on the 250f.  But, if you are waving the flag and trying to grow fans on social media, how do you dodge Nations?  What an incredible opportunity to increase your brand on an international stage.  If true this would be a terrible move in terms of increasing marketability, growing the fan base and those friggin youtube clicks, etc. 

Win or lose, going over there and riding like crazy, only helps him grow the fan base.  Plus I think this would be a pretty good track for him...   Hopefully he is not seriously planning on skipping the event (assuming he was asked).  

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I think Vialle did great. I did think he would do better though being a multi Champ. I expected more than 1 podium. 

 

64smoker wrote:
I think there’s a few things that factor in .    1. the bike ( clear to see it’s not the best )  2. Learning tracks ...

I think there’s a few things that factor in . 
 

1. the bike ( clear to see it’s not the best ) 

2. Learning tracks 

3. The schedule being completely different . 
 

I don’t think it’s a terrible season , but not a great one either 👍

stremme12 wrote:
My whole point on learning the tracks and 1 day format was that Deegan did just fine this year as a rookie.    To further my...

My whole point on learning the tracks and 1 day format was that Deegan did just fine this year as a rookie. 

 

To further my point I was trying to say he would be just fine in France as well. He seems to be ok with adapting quickly. 

Deegans rode the majority of these outdoor tracks for years but yes he’s had an awesome year I agree and can’t see why he wouldn’t go ? 👍

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64smoker wrote:
I think there’s a few things that factor in .    1. the bike ( clear to see it’s not the best )  2. Learning tracks ...

I think there’s a few things that factor in . 
 

1. the bike ( clear to see it’s not the best ) 

2. Learning tracks 

3. The schedule being completely different . 
 

I don’t think it’s a terrible season , but not a great one either 👍

stremme12 wrote:
My whole point on learning the tracks and 1 day format was that Deegan did just fine this year as a rookie.    To further my...

My whole point on learning the tracks and 1 day format was that Deegan did just fine this year as a rookie. 

 

To further my point I was trying to say he would be just fine in France as well. He seems to be ok with adapting quickly. 

64smoker wrote:
Deegans rode the majority of these outdoor tracks for years but yes he’s had an awesome year I agree and can’t see why he wouldn’t go...

Deegans rode the majority of these outdoor tracks for years but yes he’s had an awesome year I agree and can’t see why he wouldn’t go ? 👍

He hadn't rode the majority but had rode a few. 

 

Have you ever seen any of these tracks on a National day versus any other race day? Completely different track to learn and also the 1 day format of Q1, Q2, M1 and M2 happens at a very fast pace. 

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mxb2 wrote:

Never gonna happen

So ridiculous 

mxb2 wrote:

Prepping for smx

Of course. The entire premise of Cooper Webb dropping to a 250 is ridiculous 

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So ridiculous 

mxb2 wrote:

Prepping for smx

Of course. The entire premise of Cooper Webb dropping to a 250 is ridiculous 

Makes no sense 

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1981 yz60 wrote:

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Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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1981 yz60 wrote:

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Herr Lich wrote:

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Seinfeld. I’m just salty we won’t get to see the kid ride against the worlds best. 

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US riders have consistently done well at Ernee...  Even somewhat recently.  I wouldn't suddenly slide them down the order drastically because of "that" track.

Brent wrote:
The last time our team won on foreign soil was 2011.  That is not recent.  Those great racers were major talents but they are all retired...

The last time our team won on foreign soil was 2011.  That is not recent. 

Those great racers were major talents but they are all retired now. 

No American racing in this years MXON are as good as the guys who won in 2011  - furthermore, no American racer can even win a single moto in our own 450 series against a foreign rookie in the class, on tracks they have been racing on on for years

No American can even pass the 450 leader without crashing.  

These are facts not opinion.  ugly but still facts.

 

Not relevant at all to my comment.  But if moving the goalposts makes you feel good, go for it.

There are probably 6 or 7 teams with a shot to win and the US is going to be one of those.  I think FRA is in the drivers seat, with the strongest team AND on home soil...  But NED, BEL, AUS, USA, ESP and maybe ITA depending on who's healthy, who catches a break, who gets a good start, who doesn't have a mechanical and who doesn't go down in the first turn, all have a shot...

Best event of the year...

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Just something to consider- the Ernee track has hills so steep that you can’t really walk up them in dry conditions, and the track will either...

Just something to consider- the Ernee track has hills so steep that you can’t really walk up them in dry conditions, and the track will either be subject to rain at the time or purposeful over watering by the organizers. 

french riders have a distinct advantage at this place, most of them have raced it at the club level sine they were on 85s  

im sure most of the mxon potential team riders for any country know that this will be a really difficult race, maybe that is why you don’t have guys standing up to volunteer. 
 

Oh, come on… if that’s really the case then no Dutch or Belgian guy should bother going. Since all they grew up riding is sand…

it’s not like American tracks don’t have hills or overwatered prep. 

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I think Brian’s more to blame than Haiden , he knows if he goes and gets his arse handed to him that’s not good for YouTube or reputation, maybe Haidens bottled it but like I say my guess is Brian’s put a stop to it 

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64smoker wrote:
I think Brian’s more to blame than Haiden , he knows if he goes and gets his arse handed to him that’s not good for YouTube...

I think Brian’s more to blame than Haiden , he knows if he goes and gets his arse handed to him that’s not good for YouTube or reputation, maybe Haidens bottled it but like I say my guess is Brian’s put a stop to it 

That would be the lamest excuse to miss the MXdN, Imagine telling a racer not to show up because losing could Hurt your image, that would be something that cowards would do, I doubt a man like Brian raised a coward.

Not going the AMA schedule is long or racing WSX because its free 500k $$$ is something I would understand, but not racing because getting beat by a bunch of foreingers could hurt your reputation? C'mon

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64smoker wrote:
I think Brian’s more to blame than Haiden , he knows if he goes and gets his arse handed to him that’s not good for YouTube...

I think Brian’s more to blame than Haiden , he knows if he goes and gets his arse handed to him that’s not good for YouTube or reputation, maybe Haidens bottled it but like I say my guess is Brian’s put a stop to it 

soyMotero wrote:
That would be the lamest excuse to miss the MXdN, Imagine telling a racer not to show up because losing could Hurt your image, that would...

That would be the lamest excuse to miss the MXdN, Imagine telling a racer not to show up because losing could Hurt your image, that would be something that cowards would do, I doubt a man like Brian raised a coward.

Not going the AMA schedule is long or racing WSX because its free 500k $$$ is something I would understand, but not racing because getting beat by a bunch of foreingers could hurt your reputation? C'mon

I’m hoping he is there be a real shame if he doesn’t , the bikes not the issue , picking him won’t be the issue he’s the fastest current 250 rider , if hes not there it’s because hes opted out 

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Deegan vs Lucas Coenen is what i want to see..

But knowing Deegans..  Yeah We’ll race Coenen, We’ll get there, We’ll race him when it’s time"

Deegan almost a year older too. so will be spicy for outdoors next year.

 

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Holy moly, it's been a while since I've seen so many people make stuff up and then present it as fact.

Let's maybe wait for some actual facts before going to fantasy land. Some of yall sound like Tony Alessi during lasergate. 

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The Pro Motocross Championship is about to close out at the 2023 Ironman Motocross, an action-packed weekend that will kick off with the announcement of Team USA for the Motocross of Nations.

Although the Americans are the defending champions of the Chamberlain Cup and will run numbers one, two, and three when they go to France in October, putting the team together has been a challenge.

Yes, interest in the race is at an all-time high after last year's victory on home soil at RedBud, and multiple OEMs have pledged their time and resources, but sending the exact same lineup as last year is not possible due to Eli Tomac's ongoing recovery from an Achilles injury, Justin Cooper's long-planned wedding which lands on the same weekend, and Chase Sexton's upcoming switch from Honda to KTM.

And that's why AMA Director of Racing Mike Pellitier had to push the team's lineup declaration from its usual date at Unadilla, to the finale at Ironman. He and managing partner Roger DeCoster have spent the better part of the summer working out scenarios for Ernee, a complicated matter considering the time some candidates were missing with injuries, the extended season for SuperMotocross, and the numerous rider-team changes that will happen in October.

Here's what we do know ahead of the official announcement.

Aaron Plessinger is a lock. At third place, the Red Bull KTM rider is the highest-ranking American in the 450 Class championship standings, and he has not finished outside the top ten once this summer. Eager for redemption after the RedBud mud in 2018, expect AP to be the Open Class pick.

Chase Sexton, the only available rider from last year's lineup, is down to go, and could use the race as his debut on the Red Bull KTM. Team Honda HRC has offered support to Sexton through the race, as they'll be backing the Lawrence brothers for Team Australia, but we've been told that Sexton would like to get on the orange bike as soon as possible.

Sexton's involvement was said to motivate and determine Haiden Deegan's participation. The Monster Energy/Star Racing/Yamaha rider has been impressive as a rookie, and making the MXON his first race overseas would be a big draw for both the team and the event, but we've learned that the teenager and the group around him may opt-out after a long year that started in the Supercross Futures class.

The MX2 rider is often crucial to a team's overall score, and this year, it sounds like the group favors dropping a willing and experienced 450 Class rider down to the small-bore bike, rather than picking among the other Americans in the 250 Class.

Justin Barcia is the most likely candidate. The Troy Lee Designs/Red Bull/GASGAS Factory Racing rider has been on Team USA a few times already, including 2015 in Ernee.

Cooper Webb is another possibility, but it sounds like his current focus is getting up to speed on the YZ450F ahead of the SMX rounds.

An added benefit of these two is that if Chase Sexton decides not to go after all, either Barcia or Webb could step up to the MXGP spot and run the number one plate.

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8/24/2023 7:19pm Edited Date/Time 8/24/2023 7:49pm

I believe they might announce the team tomorrow.

Edit: The announcement is tomorrow.

 
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I think its super Cool that HRC Honda has said they would support Chase through MXoN if he chose to do so.  That says a lot about HRC Honda.  Such a stark difference in approach between them and Kawi.  Still holding out hope for Chase to ride MXoN.  Chase and AP are good choices for the big bikes.  Not sure what to do on the 250.

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This article is confusing or maybe I have bad reading comprehension.  Are they saying Sexton is out or not?  I guess it sounds like he was a maybe (of course its already decided), and Deegan might only be in if Sexton is in (which is a bunch of crap)....  Depending on how you read it maybe its Plessinger and Sexton on 450s and Barcia on a 250?  Guess we'll find out soon  

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Justin Cooper is getting married that weekend and 100% will not be going 

Reading is hard

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Justin Cooper is getting married that weekend and 100% will not be going 

Reading is hard

And mentioned about 500 times lol. 

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This article is confusing or maybe I have bad reading comprehension.  Are they saying Sexton is out or not?  I guess it sounds like he was...

This article is confusing or maybe I have bad reading comprehension.  Are they saying Sexton is out or not?  I guess it sounds like he was a maybe (of course its already decided), and Deegan might only be in if Sexton is in (which is a bunch of crap)....  Depending on how you read it maybe its Plessinger and Sexton on 450s and Barcia on a 250?  Guess we'll find out soon  

The portion about Chase was poorly written. My assumption, Chase was initially a no because of the switch from Honda to KTM, either from Chase's camp or Management, but the no became a yes.

Deegan was only going if Chase was going, and now that Chase is going, Deegan is still out.

 

So with no stand-out 250 riders, they are looking for a 450 rider to drop down (Barcia)

 

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8/24/2023 9:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/24/2023 9:10pm

Idk if you read between the lines it sounds like Chase is out. He wants to get on the KTM bike as soon as possible, i.e he wants to start testing for SX and may not feel comfortable racing MXdN his first time on the bike.

Paired with the bit about Deegan, kinda makes me think Chase is out

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Ty Masterpool, Grant Harlan, Garret Marchbanks

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zehn wrote:
Idk if you read between the lines it sounds like Chase is out. He wants to get on the KTM bike as soon as possible, i.e...

Idk if you read between the lines it sounds like Chase is out. He wants to get on the KTM bike as soon as possible, i.e he wants to start testing for SX and may not feel comfortable racing MXdN his first time on the bike.

Paired with the bit about Deegan, kinda makes me think Chase is out

I definitely could see where you are coming from on that, I still would be kind of surprised if Sexton goes.  The only glimmer of hope I saw was this part where they said JB was the most likely candidate if a 450 guy dropped down to 250.  I would think Barcia only drops down if Chase is on the 450. 

The MX2 rider is often crucial to a team's overall score, and this year, it sounds like the group favors dropping a willing and experienced 450 Class rider down to the small-bore bike, rather than picking among the other Americans in the 250 Class.

Justin Barcia is the most likely candidate. The Troy Lee Designs/Red Bull/GASGAS Factory Racing rider has been on Team USA a few times already, including 2015 in Ernee.

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Ty Masterpool, Grant Harlan, Garret Marchbanks

Why. 

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Ty Masterpool, Grant Harlan, Garret Marchbanks

agn5008 wrote:

Why. 

Exactly. . Lol. 

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SethLex13 wrote:

Ty Masterpool, Grant Harlan, Garret Marchbanks

agn5008 wrote:

Why. 

mxb2 wrote:

Exactly. . Lol. 

We have to presume SethLex13 is joking right?  All due respect, but that team would not be a B-team, it would be Team Puerto Rico.  

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agn5008 wrote:

Why. 

mxb2 wrote:

Exactly. . Lol. 

Herr Lich wrote:

We have to presume SethLex13 is joking right?  All due respect, but that team would not be a B-team, it would be Team Puerto Rico.  

Well he mentioned anderson, j cooper before. So that should say something also. 

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