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This guy did pretty well "hunching his back and using his arms."
Sexton to Hughes for coaching in 24….stamp it….
Well…. He’s not wrong and he’s been preaching this for a long time.
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I don’t see how posting pictures from before most of us were born prove anything for being fast in 2023.
Yes.....and he also has said he would have been immeasurably better if he had known this while racing.
Because all three of those dudes could roast most of us even today.
I think Ryno's on to something, but I don't think it works for everybody. Dungey and Jett seem to have the "straight back" approach dialed.
The point is there's few absolutes .. pretty sure that Barnett, Hannah or DeCoster in their prime would acquit themselves rather well if lining it up in 2023, even with the handicap of employing dated technique. RC did well just clamping on & pinning it - GOAT as I recall.
That said, Ryno is spot on in his assessment & having pretty much seen all the greats over 5 decades, Jett is astonishingly picture-perfect in his technique, I'll be paying my money this weekend just to see him ride a motorbike.
We can agree to disagree. I don’t think that proves anything.
Does Ryno have any numbers to back this up?
Any double-blind studies done to support his conclusions?
Bro, this is 2023, that stuff doesn’t mean anything anymore. We have YouTube now.
What part are you having trouble understanding?
Why are you talking like science is the only way to solve this?
If perfect technique is what makes Jett the best, then why isn't AJ Catanzaro and other trainers right there with him? That's not a shot at Jett, Jett is fantastic and a joy to watch. RC was insanely fast. JS insanely fast. RV insanely fast. Tomac insanely fast. Dungey insanely fast. Herlings insanely fast. Tiga insanely fast. Roczen insanely fast. None of these riders have or had perfect technique, yet all were or are insanely fast. There's no way to know if they would have been faster with different style or technique. Windham had great style and technique. They're fast because of their raw talent, fitness, and their lack of fear. Does Jett's technique help him? I'd say probably so. But I think he would be fast as hell and very difficult to beat even without perfect technique. JMHO
People are thinking body positioning is all there is to technique. Jett and Chase and Eli have super similar body positioning, one that Ryno prescribes, but otherwise their techniques are very different.
Good technique makes you faster while using the same amount of risk and energy. Think about how James Stewart rode, he crashed all the time and was blazing fast. He was using WAY more risk.
Now think about when you watch Jett ride, how often are thinking oh man this guy could crash at any minute? Chase has a lot of tip overs but its not like he looks like he's going to crash or he's risking his life, both have great technique.
James I'll make the argument that he was out riding the bikes capabilites especially in the yamaha days. Rc and most of the top 5 were pushing those frames and setups to their limits of the time and this caused issues. KW, Lusk and Reed have talked about this numerous times. That they would pushed these chassis and sometimes they would just unload in the strangest ways when pushed. It was KW or Reed that made the comment that this really started to turn around in 2010 and up.
As far as technique. I've seen guys slow as shit with picture prefect tech that I wish I had and I've seen guys like DV12 with horrible looking form and be insanely fast. Another example. I was at club mx for 2 weeks. Justin Hill was there. On the turn track focusing on technique there was A and B guys faster then he was. When we got done there and went out to the back track or the national track he's lapping them. Technique helps but you have to have that mental ability to process twisting the wrist.
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Actually practicing is a whole other topic too, so many guys go out and just ride but then wonder why they havent gotten any faster in 5 years.
If you find yourself needing to take more risk to go faster instead of concentrating on being more perfect with body position/braking/accelerating smoothly etc. You are doing it wrong at least for the average joe that has to go to work Monday.
Anyone who is an alpine skier understands this concept, especially if they like moguls. Upper buddy always should be squared up and straight downhill, no twisting movement, hands up in front, and allow the lower buddy to pivot and absorb terrain. Skiing is the best cross training sport for moto imo.
Are you talking about the different styles or technique?
Two people have have great technique, but different styles...for example, Jett, Chase, and Eli...amazing-almost perfect-technique, but very different styles. They look different on the bike.
https://racerxonline.com/2018/05/29/insight-style-versus-technique-for-…
Maybe why Masterpool is so fast on a privateer bike. He has great style; and aren't his parents world class skiers?
might wanna look up how much horsepower that bike has compared to an HRC 450
Your observation is correct however, the other side of the argument is, how much better could DV have been or could JH be now with 'perfect technique'?
I'm on the fence. I see this in golf... pros with picture perfect swings hitting errand shots and not making the weekend cut and then some pros with terrible looking swings winning majors.
For me personally, I like practicing good technique because I appreciate good style. If I'm going to be slow, I might as well look half decent doing it.
You might be right about that, but I haven’t read the interview yet where The Dogger said I would’ve been immeasurably better if my posture on the bike was correct. Could you possibly be confusing, not training seriously and doing blow, with not having proper posture?
As for the unlocking your hips comments by Ryno…you can’t go from standing to sitting or vice versa, or stick your leg out, while keeping your hips locked. In order to keep your hips locked you would literally have to race the entire race standing or seated, and furthermore, you would have to race the entire race with your feet off the foot pegs, or on the foot pegs…you would also have to keep your knees still, in one position; whatever that position is, they would have to stay there the entire race in order to keep your “hips locked.” There is a reason you have never seen, or heard of, anybody racing with fused or otherwise, “locked hips.”
Hip mobility is of the upmost importance in motocross; that is flexion, extension, ab, and adduction and internal and external rotation. However, there is a big difference between decreased mobility and “locked.”
When Ryno explains this theory, he uses the words “locked hips” but he seems to describe it with reference to the positioning of the pelvis and lumbar spine.
Ryno’s has some crazy theories, but given that, I still love his vibe and his passion, and I respect his accomplishments…and I can’t get enough of him!
Not being a cookie cutter is part of his charm.
I’m saying they all are pretty good at balls on the feet, flat back, using their lower body, all things that are body position. However, the way they use the bike, the throttle, the lines, et cetera, totally different.
Makes sense, although sometimes it looks like they're sitting in a chair.
This is exactly what I was taught and how to envision riding the bike.
Yep, but its happening from the hips down and is absorption. Get in the "backseat" on a pair of skis, or too far over the front for that matter, and bad things happen.
Pro DH racers have technique figured out as well, alot harder to ride a MTB fast with bad technique than a moto.
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