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The real Sasquatch 8/18/2023 1:06pm
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After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the...

After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the time, the victim as old as 17.  A 19 year old and 17 year old  did not seem like it would have been crazy back when I was that age. It seemed kinda common for a guy to be a year or 2 older than the girl back then. 

I was just pointing out that since we do not know the details at this point it could be something like that as easy as it could be what the headline makes you think. After posting , I was rethinking my post. But I think that assuming his innocence until more info is available would only be fair.

I remembered a story ( from a few years ago or so) about a rider  ( NOT THE SAME GUY)  that  was around the same age who had a Girlfriend that was a couple years younger than him. I think the rider was from England , but I could be way off on that. He got caught with a small amount of pot and when the cops searched his phone he had a topless photo of his girlfriend on it. Since she was 17  it was considered child porn and there was a law that when drugs and underage porn was together there was a crazy minimum sentence.  So while it may have been legally wrong , it might not have been as morally wrong as the charges make it sound. 

 I am used to people not liking my opinions on Electric MX bikes, So I figured WTF , I'll post it and hope that I did not miss something in the news. I hope that either way , more info comes out.  

scott_nz wrote:
that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road...

that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road racing in the UK,  but he would have been late 20's early 30's when arrested, seeing a 17 year old at that age is not the same thing, 

edit, - here is the full run down 

https://www.visordown.com/features/general/bad-boy-no-8-kim-ashkenazi

the child porn charge was 9 months, the drugs was a for supply conviction of 6.5 years, 

 

I agree with the above, that we need some more facts before going after the guy, 

Wow I was way off if its the same guy. I thought   their ages were much closer  . Maybe I only saw an earlier article on it that did not mention the dealing pot part. Thank You for correcting me.    I was just trying to make that point, that there could be details that might make it not as bad.  

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The real Sasquatch wrote:
According to the charges, 2nd degree sexual assault . It could be a person between 13 and 16, or if they are  using the Coaching section of the...

According to the charges, 2nd degree sexual assault . It could be a person between 13 and 16, or if they are  using the Coaching section of the law, the person could have been just under  18 and because of the coach  athlete  setting and ages it makes it an assault even if it was consensual .     If it was say a 17 year old girl  when he was 20 it might not be as bad as it sounds .  Without knowing more details its hard to know exactly which part of the law they used to charge him. The news posts and articles are pretty vague. Even just knowing the age of the alleged victim  would make things more clear. 

It sucks all around. If its not true , it sucks that he  will have this attached to his name, and if it is true  well it sucks for the victim.       

I got the info on what second degree  sexual assault was at this link. 

https://law.justia.com/codes/connecticut/2005/title53a/sec53a-71.html

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It's brave of you to make this comment,  and I also agree. Imo there is a big difference between a 29 year old man seeing a...

It's brave of you to make this comment,  and I also agree.

Imo there is a big difference between a 29 year old man seeing a 17 year old girl and a 18 year old "boy" seeing a 17 year old.

Not sure the law differentiates and there is a lot of facts not known.

The real Sasquatch wrote:
After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the...

After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the time, the victim as old as 17.  A 19 year old and 17 year old  did not seem like it would have been crazy back when I was that age. It seemed kinda common for a guy to be a year or 2 older than the girl back then. 

I was just pointing out that since we do not know the details at this point it could be something like that as easy as it could be what the headline makes you think. After posting , I was rethinking my post. But I think that assuming his innocence until more info is available would only be fair.

I remembered a story ( from a few years ago or so) about a rider  ( NOT THE SAME GUY)  that  was around the same age who had a Girlfriend that was a couple years younger than him. I think the rider was from England , but I could be way off on that. He got caught with a small amount of pot and when the cops searched his phone he had a topless photo of his girlfriend on it. Since she was 17  it was considered child porn and there was a law that when drugs and underage porn was together there was a crazy minimum sentence.  So while it may have been legally wrong , it might not have been as morally wrong as the charges make it sound. 

 I am used to people not liking my opinions on Electric MX bikes, So I figured WTF , I'll post it and hope that I did not miss something in the news. I hope that either way , more info comes out.  

No excuses for preying on minors, but shit...these days I see 14 year old girls that could pass for 28 year olds.  With mouths on them that could pass for 60 year olds. 

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scott_nz 8/18/2023 1:21pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
Wow I was way off if its the same guy. I thought   their ages were much closer  . Maybe I only saw an earlier article on...

Wow I was way off if its the same guy. I thought   their ages were much closer  . Maybe I only saw an earlier article on it that did not mention the dealing pot part. Thank You for correcting me.    I was just trying to make that point, that there could be details that might make it not as bad.  

He came out with the story that is was just pics of his young girlfriend so you may have heard I then, but that article states he was caught in a sting for worse images and how they were paid for, he has said in an interview somewhere that he was dealing coke to fund the road racing,  

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GrapeApe 8/18/2023 1:23pm
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That's why you didn't understand the "username checks out" comment lol

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Sorry...I'm still not gettin' it?  mgif (Gifford) gave me that moniker way back at Jeeps MC cause I took the guts out of the exhaust on...

Sorry...I'm still not gettin' it?  mgif (Gifford) gave me that moniker way back at Jeeps MC cause I took the guts out of the exhaust on my old XR600.  It sounded like a John Deere tractor...hence...plowboy.  'splain it to me Lucy?

plowboy wrote:
Ohhh fuck...are you guys saying that you all automatically assumed it was a little dude that was assaulted and my dumbass thought it was a"girl"...so my...

Ohhh fuck...are you guys saying that you all automatically assumed it was a little dude that was assaulted and my dumbass thought it was a"girl"...so my username = my IQ?

I'll own it.  My pea brain just doesn't naturally go to those places.  I ain't sorry about it.Whistling

Yeah. In cases where a male in a position of authority victimizes a minor (clergymen, scouts, teachers, etc.) it is often same sex so my mind went there, which is why I understood the joke. Nothing wrong with your initial impression either, and you're not a dumbass or low IQ!

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whyZ wrote:
No excuses for preying on minors, but shit...these days I see 14 year old girls that could pass for 28 year olds.  With mouths on them...

No excuses for preying on minors, but shit...these days I see 14 year old girls that could pass for 28 year olds.  With mouths on them that could pass for 60 year olds. 

And they're usually the ones most vulnerable to predators.

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inthebadboycorner 8/18/2023 1:29pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the...

After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the time, the victim as old as 17.  A 19 year old and 17 year old  did not seem like it would have been crazy back when I was that age. It seemed kinda common for a guy to be a year or 2 older than the girl back then. 

I was just pointing out that since we do not know the details at this point it could be something like that as easy as it could be what the headline makes you think. After posting , I was rethinking my post. But I think that assuming his innocence until more info is available would only be fair.

I remembered a story ( from a few years ago or so) about a rider  ( NOT THE SAME GUY)  that  was around the same age who had a Girlfriend that was a couple years younger than him. I think the rider was from England , but I could be way off on that. He got caught with a small amount of pot and when the cops searched his phone he had a topless photo of his girlfriend on it. Since she was 17  it was considered child porn and there was a law that when drugs and underage porn was together there was a crazy minimum sentence.  So while it may have been legally wrong , it might not have been as morally wrong as the charges make it sound. 

 I am used to people not liking my opinions on Electric MX bikes, So I figured WTF , I'll post it and hope that I did not miss something in the news. I hope that either way , more info comes out.  

scott_nz wrote:
that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road...

that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road racing in the UK,  but he would have been late 20's early 30's when arrested, seeing a 17 year old at that age is not the same thing, 

edit, - here is the full run down 

https://www.visordown.com/features/general/bad-boy-no-8-kim-ashkenazi

the child porn charge was 9 months, the drugs was a for supply conviction of 6.5 years, 

 

I agree with the above, that we need some more facts before going after the guy, 

I also hate these type of threads, at this stage it's witch hunting.

But I also hate when someone's elses past, who paid his dues almost 20 years ago, gets dragged up again.

I feel these type of threads,  especially before a conviction, should be taboo just like religious and political topics are.

 

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plowboy 8/18/2023 1:42pm
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Yeah. In cases where a male in a position of authority victimizes a minor (clergymen, scouts, teachers, etc.) it is often same sex so my mind...

Yeah. In cases where a male in a position of authority victimizes a minor (clergymen, scouts, teachers, etc.) it is often same sex so my mind went there, which is why I understood the joke. Nothing wrong with your initial impression either, and you're not a dumbass or low IQ!

Apparently I am.  But I first thought the comment alluded to me being ok with the situation.  I'd rather be judged a fool than a deviate...whew.Blush

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burn1986 8/18/2023 2:28pm
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scott_nz wrote:
that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road...

that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road racing in the UK,  but he would have been late 20's early 30's when arrested, seeing a 17 year old at that age is not the same thing, 

edit, - here is the full run down 

https://www.visordown.com/features/general/bad-boy-no-8-kim-ashkenazi

the child porn charge was 9 months, the drugs was a for supply conviction of 6.5 years, 

 

I agree with the above, that we need some more facts before going after the guy, 

Pretty humorous comments on here about Kim Ashkenazi returning to Oz:

https://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/forum/general-forums/general-bike-r…

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The real Sasquatch 8/18/2023 3:07pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the...

After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the time, the victim as old as 17.  A 19 year old and 17 year old  did not seem like it would have been crazy back when I was that age. It seemed kinda common for a guy to be a year or 2 older than the girl back then. 

I was just pointing out that since we do not know the details at this point it could be something like that as easy as it could be what the headline makes you think. After posting , I was rethinking my post. But I think that assuming his innocence until more info is available would only be fair.

I remembered a story ( from a few years ago or so) about a rider  ( NOT THE SAME GUY)  that  was around the same age who had a Girlfriend that was a couple years younger than him. I think the rider was from England , but I could be way off on that. He got caught with a small amount of pot and when the cops searched his phone he had a topless photo of his girlfriend on it. Since she was 17  it was considered child porn and there was a law that when drugs and underage porn was together there was a crazy minimum sentence.  So while it may have been legally wrong , it might not have been as morally wrong as the charges make it sound. 

 I am used to people not liking my opinions on Electric MX bikes, So I figured WTF , I'll post it and hope that I did not miss something in the news. I hope that either way , more info comes out.  

scott_nz wrote:
that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road...

that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road racing in the UK,  but he would have been late 20's early 30's when arrested, seeing a 17 year old at that age is not the same thing, 

edit, - here is the full run down 

https://www.visordown.com/features/general/bad-boy-no-8-kim-ashkenazi

the child porn charge was 9 months, the drugs was a for supply conviction of 6.5 years, 

 

I agree with the above, that we need some more facts before going after the guy, 

inthebadboycorner wrote:
I also hate these type of threads, at this stage it's witch hunting. But I also hate when someone's elses past, who paid his dues almost...

I also hate these type of threads, at this stage it's witch hunting.

But I also hate when someone's elses past, who paid his dues almost 20 years ago, gets dragged up again.

I feel these type of threads,  especially before a conviction, should be taboo just like religious and political topics are.

 

I thought that I had heard  about it on a podcast. And that it was much more recent than that.   I only brought it up to make a point that  that was not exactly what the first info on it made it out to be, and that all the reports were so vague that it could be something other than what first comes to mind.  In the older stories case it was worse than the earlier part that I heard. But  I agree that putting out a story like they did , with such little info should not happen. At least with this thread people are for the most part wanting to know more before thinking the worst. 

I'm sorry for dragging that name up and into this thread. 

 

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plowboy wrote:
The report says this all happened 3 years ago.  I have to wonder... why press charges now?  Like most of these incidents...there's more to the story...

The report says this all happened 3 years ago.  I have to wonder... why press charges now?  Like most of these incidents...there's more to the story.

I've been guilty of jumping to conclusions about stuff like this in the past.  If/when more facts come out...then I'll have an opinion.

Fer instance...maybe this "pro" has been dating the girl all along and the parents decided to get him out of the picture.

Or...the pro was dating her...ditched her...and she's getting even.

My point is...without the facts we just don't know.

Pretty common for these cases to go thais way. You manipulate a kid and convince them not to tell and they grow up a little, go to college and learn about sexual assault, go to counseling for the substance abuse they've been using to cope, see that person with another kid and realize you can't keep it a secret anymore, etc, or any number of things convince you to come forward. The delay in reporting makes it more likely to be true, not less. 

 

And while we're on the topic, training facilities are about as perfect a setup as you could ask for if you're a child predator. Same dynamics at play that let Larry nassar prey on gymnasts for years. Even if you know it's wrong, you're in a bobble and the power dynamic is so severe and you fear your dream will be over if you speak up. 

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The real Sasquatch 8/18/2023 3:19pm
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GrapeApe wrote:

That's why you didn't understand the "username checks out" comment lol

plowboy wrote:
Sorry...I'm still not gettin' it?  mgif (Gifford) gave me that moniker way back at Jeeps MC cause I took the guts out of the exhaust on...

Sorry...I'm still not gettin' it?  mgif (Gifford) gave me that moniker way back at Jeeps MC cause I took the guts out of the exhaust on my old XR600.  It sounded like a John Deere tractor...hence...plowboy.  'splain it to me Lucy?

plowboy wrote:
Ohhh fuck...are you guys saying that you all automatically assumed it was a little dude that was assaulted and my dumbass thought it was a"girl"...so my...

Ohhh fuck...are you guys saying that you all automatically assumed it was a little dude that was assaulted and my dumbass thought it was a"girl"...so my username = my IQ?

I'll own it.  My pea brain just doesn't naturally go to those places.  I ain't sorry about it.Whistling

I was assuming it was/is a girl too. But there are so few girls that ride , it makes sense that people would assume a boy.    All this assuming is just proving there needs to be more info put out with news like this. Wait and get more info before possible damaging a person's reputation. 

   

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plowboy 8/18/2023 5:42pm
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plowboy wrote:
I'll wait for some facts.  I'm trying to limit my "knee jerk".

I'll wait for some facts.  I'm trying to limit my "knee jerk".Blush

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Username checks out

I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to wake up but at 65...I ain't using 'em much anywayBlush.

I'm a fan of witty folks.  I fully appreciate your post...and applaud you.  For now...you sir...are in the lead...but I vow to redouble my efforts.  Unless others want to show a wheel...this is a two man race.Evil

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plowboy wrote:
I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to...

I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to wake up but at 65...I ain't using 'em much anywayBlush.

I'm a fan of witty folks.  I fully appreciate your post...and applaud you.  For now...you sir...are in the lead...but I vow to redouble my efforts.  Unless others want to show a wheel...this is a two man race.Evil

Lol

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plowboy wrote:
I'll wait for some facts.  I'm trying to limit my "knee jerk".

I'll wait for some facts.  I'm trying to limit my "knee jerk".Blush

bonseff wrote:

Username checks out

plowboy wrote:
I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to...

I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to wake up but at 65...I ain't using 'em much anywayBlush.

I'm a fan of witty folks.  I fully appreciate your post...and applaud you.  For now...you sir...are in the lead...but I vow to redouble my efforts.  Unless others want to show a wheel...this is a two man race.Evil

Sorry, sir. I couldn't help myself. Thank you for the history of your username, that is pretty awesome. Have a great weekend!

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JBoneMotorworks 8/18/2023 6:24pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the...

After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the time, the victim as old as 17.  A 19 year old and 17 year old  did not seem like it would have been crazy back when I was that age. It seemed kinda common for a guy to be a year or 2 older than the girl back then. 

I was just pointing out that since we do not know the details at this point it could be something like that as easy as it could be what the headline makes you think. After posting , I was rethinking my post. But I think that assuming his innocence until more info is available would only be fair.

I remembered a story ( from a few years ago or so) about a rider  ( NOT THE SAME GUY)  that  was around the same age who had a Girlfriend that was a couple years younger than him. I think the rider was from England , but I could be way off on that. He got caught with a small amount of pot and when the cops searched his phone he had a topless photo of his girlfriend on it. Since she was 17  it was considered child porn and there was a law that when drugs and underage porn was together there was a crazy minimum sentence.  So while it may have been legally wrong , it might not have been as morally wrong as the charges make it sound. 

 I am used to people not liking my opinions on Electric MX bikes, So I figured WTF , I'll post it and hope that I did not miss something in the news. I hope that either way , more info comes out.  

scott_nz wrote:
that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road...

that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road racing in the UK,  but he would have been late 20's early 30's when arrested, seeing a 17 year old at that age is not the same thing, 

edit, - here is the full run down 

https://www.visordown.com/features/general/bad-boy-no-8-kim-ashkenazi

the child porn charge was 9 months, the drugs was a for supply conviction of 6.5 years, 

 

I agree with the above, that we need some more facts before going after the guy, 

inthebadboycorner wrote:
I also hate these type of threads, at this stage it's witch hunting. But I also hate when someone's elses past, who paid his dues almost...

I also hate these type of threads, at this stage it's witch hunting.

But I also hate when someone's elses past, who paid his dues almost 20 years ago, gets dragged up again.

I feel these type of threads,  especially before a conviction, should be taboo just like religious and political topics are.

 

Sorry if posting this "type of thread" is somehow witch hunting to you?  Or do you mean how people have commented on this before all the facts are layed out?

I am surprised at how many people posted and took issue with the word "Pro"?  

Geesh

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If you take a deep dive into some of hunters segment times in multiple of the races he has qualified for you will see some interesting segment times…. 
 

yes I’m implying he has gotten away with cutting the track multiple times

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plowboy 8/18/2023 7:29pm
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Sorry, sir. I couldn't help myself. Thank you for the history of your username, that is pretty awesome. Have a great weekend!

No sorry needed...I respect it.Wink

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burn1986 8/18/2023 10:34pm
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plowboy wrote:
I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to...

I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to wake up but at 65...I ain't using 'em much anywayBlush.

I'm a fan of witty folks.  I fully appreciate your post...and applaud you.  For now...you sir...are in the lead...but I vow to redouble my efforts.  Unless others want to show a wheel...this is a two man race.Evil

 

 

inthebadboycorner 8/19/2023 12:33am
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the...

After reading the description of the charges those  things stuck out and depending on his birthday, he could have been as young as 19 at the time, the victim as old as 17.  A 19 year old and 17 year old  did not seem like it would have been crazy back when I was that age. It seemed kinda common for a guy to be a year or 2 older than the girl back then. 

I was just pointing out that since we do not know the details at this point it could be something like that as easy as it could be what the headline makes you think. After posting , I was rethinking my post. But I think that assuming his innocence until more info is available would only be fair.

I remembered a story ( from a few years ago or so) about a rider  ( NOT THE SAME GUY)  that  was around the same age who had a Girlfriend that was a couple years younger than him. I think the rider was from England , but I could be way off on that. He got caught with a small amount of pot and when the cops searched his phone he had a topless photo of his girlfriend on it. Since she was 17  it was considered child porn and there was a law that when drugs and underage porn was together there was a crazy minimum sentence.  So while it may have been legally wrong , it might not have been as morally wrong as the charges make it sound. 

 I am used to people not liking my opinions on Electric MX bikes, So I figured WTF , I'll post it and hope that I did not miss something in the news. I hope that either way , more info comes out.  

scott_nz wrote:
that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road...

that is the Aussie former mx rider  Kim Ashkenazi story,  and it was not a little bit of pot, he was dealing drugs to fund road racing in the UK,  but he would have been late 20's early 30's when arrested, seeing a 17 year old at that age is not the same thing, 

edit, - here is the full run down 

https://www.visordown.com/features/general/bad-boy-no-8-kim-ashkenazi

the child porn charge was 9 months, the drugs was a for supply conviction of 6.5 years, 

 

I agree with the above, that we need some more facts before going after the guy, 

Do I also remember in the past there was a trainer with the same surname as another accused, again it became another vital witch hunt.

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JTM5427 8/19/2023 6:40am
8/19/2023 6:40am

Not 100% on this because I don’t know the exact details of the situation but I do have some speculation from knowing the rider a bit. 
I believe this is indeed a case of the rider being 20 and dating a girl that was around 16-17 for a period of time. Not sure what happened between the time they broke up and now or what happened during their relationship but that’s what I know. There’s a few other pro riders that their current dating age range could find themselves in this same situation someday too…….

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plowboy 8/19/2023 7:12am
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plowboy wrote:
I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to...

I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to wake up but at 65...I ain't using 'em much anywayBlush.

I'm a fan of witty folks.  I fully appreciate your post...and applaud you.  For now...you sir...are in the lead...but I vow to redouble my efforts.  Unless others want to show a wheel...this is a two man race.Evil

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Cygrace74 8/19/2023 9:45am
8/19/2023 9:45am

Levi Kitchen is rattled 

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8/19/2023 9:53am Edited Date/Time 8/19/2023 10:05am
plowboy wrote:
You are correct.  Under 18 is a minor.  If he had sexual relations with a minor he should face legal consequences.  If that's the way it...

You are correct.  Under 18 is a minor.  If he had sexual relations with a minor he should face legal consequences.  If that's the way it went down...then he's getting what he deserved.

All I said was, I need more facts before I condemn him...or anyone.

I already stated that I used to be in the lynch mob crowd.  Now I want to know real facts before I start picking out sturdy trees.Blush

If he was 20 and the girl was 16-17 and he coached her, it is second-degree sexual assault. If he wasn't her coach it would be legal, or am I wrong? I just want to see how the American justice system looks at those things.

Being this:

"(10) the actor is twenty years of age or older and stands in a position of power, authority or supervision over such other person by virtue of the actor's professional, legal, occupational or volunteer status and such other person's participation in a program or activity, and such other person is under eighteen years of age."

The real Sasquatch 8/19/2023 11:25am
8/19/2023 11:25am
plowboy wrote:
You are correct.  Under 18 is a minor.  If he had sexual relations with a minor he should face legal consequences.  If that's the way it...

You are correct.  Under 18 is a minor.  If he had sexual relations with a minor he should face legal consequences.  If that's the way it went down...then he's getting what he deserved.

All I said was, I need more facts before I condemn him...or anyone.

I already stated that I used to be in the lynch mob crowd.  Now I want to know real facts before I start picking out sturdy trees.Blush

MXMattii wrote:
If he was 20 and the girl was 16-17 and he coached her, it is second-degree sexual assault. If he wasn't her coach it would be...

If he was 20 and the girl was 16-17 and he coached her, it is second-degree sexual assault. If he wasn't her coach it would be legal, or am I wrong? I just want to see how the American justice system looks at those things.

Being this:

"(10) the actor is twenty years of age or older and stands in a position of power, authority or supervision over such other person by virtue of the actor's professional, legal, occupational or volunteer status and such other person's participation in a program or activity, and such other person is under eighteen years of age."

Yes that is the way I understood it, and part of the reason I put my opinion out there .  CT has  a 3 year rule for 13-16 year olds they have to be within 3 years of each other . But they say that 16 and older can consent to any age.   

At 16 or 17 they would be able to consent to a partner of any age , but would still be considered a minor. Unless that person is a coach or one of the other people they listed.Then they could not legally consent because of the power dynamic. 

It seems like a law that meant to do good, but that may not being used in the spirit of the law in this case depending on the details. 

It depends on which area of that law they used to charge him. Since they mention the  mentoring , that was where my mind went.But there are also other sections of the law that they could have been using  to charge him, that without more detail we would not know. 

 

I could think of a few scenarios that might have a parent want to have charges brought. But I do not want to  speculate here. Again, just saying not to jump to judgement just yet if You only know what is in those  news articles/videos.  

 

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vitalriderCrf 11/28/2023 2:04pm
11/28/2023 2:04pm

Whatever happened with this? Were the charges dropped?

ToolMaker 11/28/2023 5:20pm
11/28/2023 5:20pm
bonseff wrote:

Username checks out

plowboy wrote:
I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to...

I want to thank you for this comment.  I have always thrived on criticism...(positive or negative).  Sometimes I need a little kick in the nuts to wake up but at 65...I ain't using 'em much anywayBlush.

I'm a fan of witty folks.  I fully appreciate your post...and applaud you.  For now...you sir...are in the lead...but I vow to redouble my efforts.  Unless others want to show a wheel...this is a two man race.Evil

bonseff wrote:

Sorry, sir. I couldn't help myself. Thank you for the history of your username, that is pretty awesome. Have a great weekend!

Look at that, now you've been promoted to "sir" in the span of a few posts. lol

ToolMaker 11/28/2023 5:22pm
11/28/2023 5:22pm
plowboy wrote:
You are correct.  Under 18 is a minor.  If he had sexual relations with a minor he should face legal consequences.  If that's the way it...

You are correct.  Under 18 is a minor.  If he had sexual relations with a minor he should face legal consequences.  If that's the way it went down...then he's getting what he deserved.

All I said was, I need more facts before I condemn him...or anyone.

I already stated that I used to be in the lynch mob crowd.  Now I want to know real facts before I start picking out sturdy trees.Blush

MXMattii wrote:
If he was 20 and the girl was 16-17 and he coached her, it is second-degree sexual assault. If he wasn't her coach it would be...

If he was 20 and the girl was 16-17 and he coached her, it is second-degree sexual assault. If he wasn't her coach it would be legal, or am I wrong? I just want to see how the American justice system looks at those things.

Being this:

"(10) the actor is twenty years of age or older and stands in a position of power, authority or supervision over such other person by virtue of the actor's professional, legal, occupational or volunteer status and such other person's participation in a program or activity, and such other person is under eighteen years of age."

famous words to live by "it depends on what the meaning of is is"

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