Yz295 over the top build…electric water pump?

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Edited Date/Time 8/18/2023 4:21am

Is it possible, I know bikes but I don’t know electrical…can you draw enough power from the stock stater to sustain a battery pack running a pump? I’m aware the power gains are not going to truly improve my lap times, but I’m already all in with the polished tranny balanced crank Erick gorr 295 kit so walk me through it if possible

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8/18/2023 9:26am

I dont think there is really any power to spare on a 2 stroke. You would need to buy a charging stator and it would probably take more power than you would gain by not having to run the water pump.

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8/18/2023 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2023 9:16am
trev219 wrote:
Is it possible, I know bikes but I don’t know electrical…can you draw enough power from the stock stater to sustain a battery pack running a...

Is it possible, I know bikes but I don’t know electrical…can you draw enough power from the stock stater to sustain a battery pack running a pump? I’m aware the power gains are not going to truly improve my lap times, but I’m already all in with the polished tranny balanced crank Erick gorr 295 kit so walk me through it if possible

Nothing to do with your question, but hopefully a helpful heads up on Gorr YZ295 kits:

Throughly check the powervalve assembly movement and torques from Gorr. I've learned he had outsourced some assembly and there were issues.

My YZ295 Gorr kit was ported for "mo betta" power ended up having piston/powervalve contact issues within a few hours. Additionally, and probably related, it was an absolute nightmare to jet. I was waiting on the Smartcarb to come out to so I could solve jetting more holistically, but they had many years of delays so I never got there (they were all-i on casting the carb body) - but I think they have now.

The people I know that got "good kits" had a lot of fun with their bikes, so there's potential, for sure. Just be sure to pull the pipe off during break-in to check for powervalve contact on the piston.

 

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8/19/2023 7:23am

68694463-0BDE-4957-82F0-23A6614A1C44.jpeg?VersionId=IwAQi3YCfFD iqhKS rst4Leshers got one.  So it possible 

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8/20/2023 4:12am
NLMB150 wrote:
Leshers got one.  So it possible 

68694463-0BDE-4957-82F0-23A6614A1C44.jpeg?VersionId=IwAQi3YCfFD iqhKS rst4Leshers got one.  So it possible 

Who is this that’s done it? 

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NLMB150 wrote:
Leshers got one.  So it possible 

68694463-0BDE-4957-82F0-23A6614A1C44.jpeg?VersionId=IwAQi3YCfFD iqhKS rst4Leshers got one.  So it possible 

trev219 wrote:

Who is this that’s done it? 

HP. Harris Performance. He used to post here until something happened a few years ago and the vitards ran him out of town.  Forget what the while deal was about now. 

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8/20/2023 7:34am
soggy wrote:
HP. Harris Performance. He used to post here until something happened a few years ago and the vitards ran him out of town.  Forget what the...

HP. Harris Performance. He used to post here until something happened a few years ago and the vitards ran him out of town.  Forget what the while deal was about now. 

Wasn’t that the Deegan claim kids engine builder?

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soggy wrote:
HP. Harris Performance. He used to post here until something happened a few years ago and the vitards ran him out of town.  Forget what the...

HP. Harris Performance. He used to post here until something happened a few years ago and the vitards ran him out of town.  Forget what the while deal was about now. 

Rickyisms wrote:

Wasn’t that the Deegan claim kids engine builder?

Yes, that builder of Bike claim-gate fame.  But he departed Vital on previous hoopla before that.

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12/15/2023 8:17am

Interesting.... would you remove the impeller? I bet you'd gain some HP by doing that; more than you'd lose from the additional draw by running a bigger stator. You're going to gain weight in battery, pump and wires, though. 

12/15/2023 11:37am

From what I understand, the impeller is removed. Like pulling teeth to find out how a bike like this powers the pump. 

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12/16/2023 8:41am

I remember when this craze first started and was waiting for someone to show up to LL’s with it on a 125. I figure removing that much drag from a small bore would really give you some advantage. 

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Rickyisms wrote:
I remember when this craze first started and was waiting for someone to show up to LL’s with it on a 125. I figure removing that...

I remember when this craze first started and was waiting for someone to show up to LL’s with it on a 125. I figure removing that much drag from a small bore would really give you some advantage. 

Makes even more sense with ktm etc since they already have a battery. 

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12/19/2023 9:26pm
Rickyisms wrote:
I remember when this craze first started and was waiting for someone to show up to LL’s with it on a 125. I figure removing that...

I remember when this craze first started and was waiting for someone to show up to LL’s with it on a 125. I figure removing that much drag from a small bore would really give you some advantage. 

soggy wrote:

Makes even more sense with ktm etc since they already have a battery. 

Yeah, true. Are the pumps hooked straight to a battery with a switch or to the generator? 

12/20/2023 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2023 4:42pm

Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no reason other than something different and some troubleshooting, set up, etc. The bike will be used for a combo of MX/HS more than likely. I just have this huge mental block when it comes to electrical and such. 

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12/21/2023 12:56pm
Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no...

Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no reason other than something different and some troubleshooting, set up, etc. The bike will be used for a combo of MX/HS more than likely. I just have this huge mental block when it comes to electrical and such. 

Which pump did you get?

 

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12/21/2023 2:14pm
Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no...

Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no reason other than something different and some troubleshooting, set up, etc. The bike will be used for a combo of MX/HS more than likely. I just have this huge mental block when it comes to electrical and such. 

With your bike it should be pretty simple to do, since you already have a battery. That means you have a charging system. You just need to decide how you want to run it. From the battery, or the stator, with a switch, or a relay. You could even use a probe and turn it on by temperature. 

And YES, the whole point of the electric water pump is to remove the mechanical system to lessen the load on the engine and produce more power, which will mainly be in the low to mid-range and it will rev faster. 

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12/21/2023 2:40pm
Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no...

Thanks for that^^^ I am unhealthily obsessed with this now...already have the pump on hand. Want to do this for my 24 Beta 300rx for no reason other than something different and some troubleshooting, set up, etc. The bike will be used for a combo of MX/HS more than likely. I just have this huge mental block when it comes to electrical and such. 

With your bike it should be pretty simple to do, since you already have a battery. That means you have a charging system. You just need...

With your bike it should be pretty simple to do, since you already have a battery. That means you have a charging system. You just need to decide how you want to run it. From the battery, or the stator, with a switch, or a relay. You could even use a probe and turn it on by temperature. 

And YES, the whole point of the electric water pump is to remove the mechanical system to lessen the load on the engine and produce more power, which will mainly be in the low to mid-range and it will rev faster. 

Yep, appreciate the feedback! Confident I will proceed with this, if anything a project and something a bit different once winter really kicks in.

12/21/2023 2:52pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2023 2:52pm

Same pump as most are using, relatively inexpensive, no kit mark up

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12/23/2023 6:50am

Same pump as most are using, relatively inexpensive, no kit mark up

Do you have a part number or brand or something? For that?

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