AMA advancement list is out

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 3:28pm
http://www.amadirectlink.com/amrace/advancement/index.asp
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mxer146 12/15/2009 1:42pm
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Is it wrong that they left Tanner Kranenbuhl's name on there? Not sure how I feel about that.
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SIMX 12/15/2009 1:44pm
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Noticed that as well, very sad.
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jeffro503 12/15/2009 1:52pm
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That is one HUGE list! I can't believe how many riders got bumped up from "C" to "B"! A lot of different ages as well.....i saw a ton of +40 and +50 riders in that group. Didn't look enough to see any +60 riders......but Jesus , being forced to move up at that age is a little weird. Of course they could have been sandbagging for the past 20-30 years as well.
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SteveS 12/15/2009 1:54pm
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The list is a list of RPV's from this last season. Not inappropriate to have a name on there if you earned the points.

I am more surprised that the sum total of the A advancements is just one page of a pdf file....

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flyfishnw 12/15/2009 1:58pm
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How do people get bumped from C to B, reason being qualified for a national,,, should they not be A?
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cdm806 12/15/2009 2:09pm
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Qualified for Loretta Lynn's
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flyfishnw 12/15/2009 2:44pm
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Ah, thanks, thought national meant MX national, not amateur national.
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neysbo 12/15/2009 6:38pm
12/15/2009 6:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:29pm
Wow,
Only 92 riders in the whole USA that got bumped from B to A, this is less than 2 per state on average. The system is really still a bit flawed. The top B riders know how to skirt the system for sure. When you have a system based on points per race they just sandbag a few races that do not matter and thus are able to stay B. With so many being bumped from C to B , that makes B class huge. They really need to do something , maybe lower the RPV for B to A and also add additional criteria. There should be way more than this going to A in any given year.

I agree with Wardy , take away contingency for B and C and I bet a whole lot more would be going to A.

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DL 12/15/2009 6:55pm
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neysbo wrote:
Wow, Only 92 riders in the whole USA that got bumped from B to A, this is less than 2 per state on average. The system...
Wow,
Only 92 riders in the whole USA that got bumped from B to A, this is less than 2 per state on average. The system is really still a bit flawed. The top B riders know how to skirt the system for sure. When you have a system based on points per race they just sandbag a few races that do not matter and thus are able to stay B. With so many being bumped from C to B , that makes B class huge. They really need to do something , maybe lower the RPV for B to A and also add additional criteria. There should be way more than this going to A in any given year.

I agree with Wardy , take away contingency for B and C and I bet a whole lot more would be going to A.

There is a number of riders not on the B to A list that already made the jump..... Leib, Vincent and Tomac come to mind.
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neysbo 12/15/2009 6:59pm
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neysbo wrote:
Wow, Only 92 riders in the whole USA that got bumped from B to A, this is less than 2 per state on average. The system...
Wow,
Only 92 riders in the whole USA that got bumped from B to A, this is less than 2 per state on average. The system is really still a bit flawed. The top B riders know how to skirt the system for sure. When you have a system based on points per race they just sandbag a few races that do not matter and thus are able to stay B. With so many being bumped from C to B , that makes B class huge. They really need to do something , maybe lower the RPV for B to A and also add additional criteria. There should be way more than this going to A in any given year.

I agree with Wardy , take away contingency for B and C and I bet a whole lot more would be going to A.

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There is a number of riders not on the B to A list that already made the jump..... Leib, Vincent and Tomac come to mind.
That is true and those riders I really commend. I know in our area here in the Midwest there are several that skirted the system just to stay B for the National races next year. It would be different if it was there first go round at the big races but for many they are turning into career B riders which I guess if that is their goal than they are not setting very high goals.

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Renner153 12/15/2009 8:27pm
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i personally think that the advancement list is rediculous. being a top B rider in florida, i didnt make the list, which im kinda disappointed with, but its bad because there are a lot of people that make the list that have no reason to be in A class. even where i am in florida in B i know i shouldnt be in A yet. to make people that are top 5 B riders in there region doesnt mean that they should have to race A. there are many that should be B but not as many that they are making
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wardy 12/15/2009 10:40pm
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hence the reason to figure out a way to scrutinize the non ama riders out there that don't race many or any AmA events.

lets not forget that any rider can advance themselves in class with out approval. If they feel they are ready, then they should move and "wait to see if they get moved".

be nice to have to make a rule so that if a rider moves themselves to soon that we move them back, used to be riders wanted to move up and not stay in a class until they get the boot. today riders don't do that much like in the past.

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davis224 12/16/2009 5:33am
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Yea, I didn't know any of the riders that got bumped to A. Oh well, just means bigger gates in B, I haven't seen B class over 15 or so riders since 2007.
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wardy 12/16/2009 6:45am
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two reasons.

we lost over 500 registered riders here since then.......

and advancement hasn't done real well in taking over for us here in d-17 til this year.

B should be the largest class actually.

scary part, is the lack of 50cc riders in this sport around here. 50Jr was practically non existant.
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alphado 12/16/2009 6:51am
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Wow! Trevor Vines got moved up from C to B.
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wardy 12/16/2009 7:09am
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Wow! Trevor Vines got moved up from C to B.
very good example how the process failed in the past.

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kawa938 12/16/2009 7:52am
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Cant B riders move up to A whenever they wish?

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SIMX 12/16/2009 8:28am
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wardy wrote:
hence the reason to figure out a way to scrutinize the non ama riders out there that don't race many or any AmA events. lets not...
hence the reason to figure out a way to scrutinize the non ama riders out there that don't race many or any AmA events.

lets not forget that any rider can advance themselves in class with out approval. If they feel they are ready, then they should move and "wait to see if they get moved".

be nice to have to make a rule so that if a rider moves themselves to soon that we move them back, used to be riders wanted to move up and not stay in a class until they get the boot. today riders don't do that much like in the past.



National caliber "B" kids will not move because of the contingency money. With Kawasaki, at least in 2009 you could run 2 classes per VIN. Some races paid $250 a win, that's $750 (or more) bucks a weekend for a 15-16 yr kid to make running dirt scooters.


Why move to A and race with more competition, unless you're forced. Now in 2010, if the $$$ dries up like everyone is speculating, it will be interesting to see how many of these kids, decide to move to A, where they belong anyway?
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Rupert X 12/16/2009 10:33am
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They bumped me up to 50+ with little warning. Bastards !

I should have felt it coming.
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mjskier 12/16/2009 10:41am
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I'm having a senior moment: What is RPV?
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sc961 12/16/2009 11:04am
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mjskier wrote:
I'm having a senior moment: What is RPV?
Rider Performance Value
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mjskier wrote:
I'm having a senior moment: What is RPV?
It stands for Riders Performance Value. It's just a way to assign points to riders to determine when they should be moved up. It's based on finishing position and the number of riders in the class. Click on the link below for details.

http://www.amadirectlink.com/rulebooks/2009/AMA_Racing_rulebook09.pdf


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wardy 12/16/2009 11:21am
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Rupert X wrote:


They bumped me up to 50+ with little warning. Bastards !

I should have felt it coming.
they did the same damn thing to me a couple years ago.

but then I couldn't sand bag in 45+ anymore with this little or no gray hair left.

so I had to move up ? down> also.

once ya hit the big 50 it's all down hill i here.

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