Jeffrey Herlings Uncensored

8/6/2023 4:08am
deerlick wrote:

Anyway to get that 2 hours wasted back....

I mean, no one made you listen to the full two hours…

I normally turn a podcast off if I find it boring. 

deerlick wrote:

Was waiting for the part that was supposed to be so good.

Again, waited until the very last minute though…

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8/6/2023 9:05am
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Vialle had next to zero experience in SX and he did pretty great this year. No reason to think Jeffrey couldn't do the same. 

Shred wrote:
Quit talking about it and come on over.  I really don’t like “could’ve” discussions when someone didn’t try.  That goes for Premier wins, supercross, or Outdoor...

Quit talking about it and come on over.  I really don’t like “could’ve” discussions when someone didn’t try.  That goes for Premier wins, supercross, or Outdoor nationals.  I lived in 5 countries in Europe and speak French …..but for every 1 successful came over and won a championship I can give you 10 that didn’t.  The VAST majority of riders come over moving up career wise and most from here go over to GPS because they have stalled out career wise here.  Make what you want of it but that is true more often than not.  JH didn’t get the most premier wins and he didn’t come over for supercross…or a full season of outdoors here.  I think he probably would have done well…in outdoors but I don’t know how many championships he may, or may not, have won.  Put up or shut up is a true statement.

Herlings chose to race in Europe and not in America, so the "put up or shut up" doesn't apply here.  Maverick's point, that most would agree with, is that when you take a rider of Jeffrey's caliber, it's not much of stretch to suppose that had he chosen to race in the States, he would have done good in both supercross and motocross.  There's very little doubt in most people's minds that he would have adapted to sx and been a front runner.  

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8/6/2023 10:58am
deerlick wrote:

Anyway to get that 2 hours wasted back....

3 posts and two of them being a complete dick...hmmm....for those that don't believe in reincarnation here's your proof that it truly does exist....at least on vital. 

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8/6/2023 11:34am

I don’t get guys that say the 125/250 class is not a professional, and or “is easier” than the 250/450 class. If you take the top 10 in the 450 class other than Jett right now, guys like AP, AC, DF, CS, CW etc…..wouldn’t be cracking the the top 10 in the 250 class. What did Sexton do in the 250 class? That’s right, not much

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8/6/2023 11:41am
deerlick wrote:

Anyway to get that 2 hours wasted back....

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8/6/2023 11:44am
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DV commented on Pulp that everyone online was shitting on Herlings for the crashes in the whoops but he saw him and his lap times were...

DV commented on Pulp that everyone online was shitting on Herlings for the crashes in the whoops but he saw him and his lap times were similar to Marvin.

Had Herlings applied himself and gone full time earlier in his career, he would have adapted to SX and challenged. He is one of the most talented riders to swing a leg over a dirtbike, ever!

 

When and where did Herlings have similar laptimes to Marv on a sx track? I doubt it

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8/6/2023 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/6/2023 12:39pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
 

Vialle had next to zero experience in SX and he did pretty great this year. No reason to think Jeffrey couldn't do the same. 

Shred wrote:
Quit talking about it and come on over.  I really don’t like “could’ve” discussions when someone didn’t try.  That goes for Premier wins, supercross, or Outdoor...

Quit talking about it and come on over.  I really don’t like “could’ve” discussions when someone didn’t try.  That goes for Premier wins, supercross, or Outdoor nationals.  I lived in 5 countries in Europe and speak French …..but for every 1 successful came over and won a championship I can give you 10 that didn’t.  The VAST majority of riders come over moving up career wise and most from here go over to GPS because they have stalled out career wise here.  Make what you want of it but that is true more often than not.  JH didn’t get the most premier wins and he didn’t come over for supercross…or a full season of outdoors here.  I think he probably would have done well…in outdoors but I don’t know how many championships he may, or may not, have won.  Put up or shut up is a true statement.

The Moth wrote:
Herlings chose to race in Europe and not in America, so the "put up or shut up" doesn't apply here.  Maverick's point, that most would agree...

Herlings chose to race in Europe and not in America, so the "put up or shut up" doesn't apply here.  Maverick's point, that most would agree with, is that when you take a rider of Jeffrey's caliber, it's not much of stretch to suppose that had he chosen to race in the States, he would have done good in both supercross and motocross.  There's very little doubt in most people's minds that he would have adapted to sx and been a front runner.  

If it doesn’t apply then people shouldn’t talk like he would have been better.  I understand most GP riders stay in Europe…where they are from….I just don’t like the talk of how great they would have been had they come over…especially in SX….because it belittles the amazing riders here.  Historically the majority from the best from Europe have disappointed here in terms of championships.  Those statistics do not support JH would have done better here then the riders that DID it.  You can have your opinion and I can have mine.  The historical data does not support yours..

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8/6/2023 12:43pm
deerlick wrote:

Anyway to get that 2 hours wasted back....

deerlick Big Mike's balls.

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I don’t get guys that say the 125/250 class is not a professional, and or “is easier” than the 250/450 class. If you take the top...

I don’t get guys that say the 125/250 class is not a professional, and or “is easier” than the 250/450 class. If you take the top 10 in the 450 class other than Jett right now, guys like AP, AC, DF, CS, CW etc…..wouldn’t be cracking the the top 10 in the 250 class. What did Sexton do in the 250 class? That’s right, not much

This is a very bold claim considering that AP, CW, AC and DF are all 250 Pro Motocross National champions. 

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8/6/2023 7:18pm

Lewis that was a great interview. You don't get interviews with top racers without having some relationship, so I didn't see your being friendly with him as anything else but that.

My findings from podcast:

Jeffrey gives no f's. He use to, but now he not uptight about where he finishes. Jeffrey vs Tomac or Jett he really doesn't care, just keyboard warriors care. 

Vital trope of where Cooper beat Jeffrey in Charlotte therefore Jeffrey is not FMOTP was covered well. The head games that Cooper said to him before the race admittedly got in his head. But he didn't think nothing of it and had dinner with Cooper the following Tuesday. And they are "bro's" now.

Jeffrey has ratio to being hurt to crashes is higher, by his own estimate, than most. Seewer has had some wicked get-offs but seems to bounce and has missed very few races.

Jeffrey is like Stew in that his career will have far less championships that he should have. Lots of wins, not the right number of championships. 

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8/7/2023 3:23am

I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

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8/7/2023 3:26am
I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

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I've been sucked in. Herlings missed the podium 17 times as an MX2 rider and 20 times in MXGP. Little difference...

8/7/2023 4:55am
I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

Jeffrey Herlings-Overall Results 0.png?VersionId=ke2Emall6RURQjIzyZJ39rXpf

Wow I didn’t realise he was so dominate in 2013. 2018 was also total domination. Was Gajser injured the whole season? 

8/7/2023 4:57am
I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

I thought this may be interesting to some... Herlings' overall results across his career. A lot of gold and silver.

Jeffrey Herlings-Overall Results 0.png?VersionId=ke2Emall6RURQjIzyZJ39rXpf

Wow I didn’t realise he was so dominate in 2013. 2018 was also total domination. Was Gajser injured the whole season? 

It's crazy seeing it all laid out visually like that, isn't it?

Gajser missed round one with a broken jaw, but rushed back for round two and raced the remaining rounds.

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8/7/2023 5:01am
It's crazy seeing it all laid out visually like that, isn't it? Gajser missed round one with a broken jaw, but rushed back for round two...

It's crazy seeing it all laid out visually like that, isn't it?

Gajser missed round one with a broken jaw, but rushed back for round two and raced the remaining rounds.

So that was the year Gajser broke his jaw, what was the reason he didn’t challenge Herlings for the rest of the season? All I hear is he was injured. 

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8/7/2023 5:43am
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https://youtu.be/U_V6018WHYQ

 

You make very poor arguments, crashes happen. Or are you going to argue that Jett Lawrence wasn't a top 5 guy when he was battling for wins in his rookie year? 

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8/7/2023 5:48am
deerlick wrote:

Anyway to get that 2 hours wasted back....

I mean, no one made you listen to the full two hours…

I normally turn a podcast off if I find it boring. 

deerlick wrote:

Was waiting for the part that was supposed to be so good.

Imagine being so petty and afraid of your own opinion that you make a burner account just to dribble out nonsense like this. 

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8/7/2023 5:59am Edited Date/Time 8/7/2023 6:02am
I don’t get guys that say the 125/250 class is not a professional, and or “is easier” than the 250/450 class. If you take the top...

I don’t get guys that say the 125/250 class is not a professional, and or “is easier” than the 250/450 class. If you take the top 10 in the 450 class other than Jett right now, guys like AP, AC, DF, CS, CW etc…..wouldn’t be cracking the the top 10 in the 250 class. What did Sexton do in the 250 class? That’s right, not much

Herr Lich wrote:

This is a very bold claim considering that AP, CW, AC and DF are all 250 Pro Motocross National champions. 

Yes, and most of them are shells of their former selfs compared to when they won 250 championships.

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8/7/2023 6:02am
It's crazy seeing it all laid out visually like that, isn't it? Gajser missed round one with a broken jaw, but rushed back for round two...

It's crazy seeing it all laid out visually like that, isn't it?

Gajser missed round one with a broken jaw, but rushed back for round two and raced the remaining rounds.

So that was the year Gajser broke his jaw, what was the reason he didn’t challenge Herlings for the rest of the season? All I hear...

So that was the year Gajser broke his jaw, what was the reason he didn’t challenge Herlings for the rest of the season? All I hear is he was injured. 

Gajser rushed back, so was far from ready in the first half, and just never quite got there; he was a third through fifth guy.

Herlings was at an incredible level that year though, remember, because Cairoli threw everything at him and it didn't work.

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8/7/2023 6:07am

I love that this forum thread has unfolded in exactly the way that Herlings talked about at the start of the interview.

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8/7/2023 6:09am

I love that this forum thread has unfolded in exactly the way that Herlings talked about at the start of the interview.

I hope Jeffrey is reading all of this and laughing.

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8/7/2023 9:29am

Okay, I'm done now. Jeffrey's moto results through his career. It's similar to the overall results above... A lot of colors!

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8/7/2023 9:41am

Lewis did you toss Jeffreys salad after this interview?

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8/7/2023 2:08pm
EuroGuy39 wrote:

Lewis did you toss Jeffreys salad after this interview?

I wish I'd seen this coming. I'd have chucked in a comment at the end like: "By the way, you are terrible."

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8/8/2023 6:19am

I'm really keen to hear your feedback now, because he is a completely different guy in this. So chilled and normal!

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You asked for my opinion, so here it is............... I hate to say it but I borderline like the guy now. Most of my dislike was...

You asked for my opinion, so here it is...............

I hate to say it but I borderline like the guy now. Most of my dislike was based on exactly what he says, small soundbites, podium talk or interviews that were much more surface level. He still seems a bit arrogant, but his arrogance is truly deserved. If you are even in the discussion of the fastest man alive you have every right to be a little cocky. Previously I thought he seemed like a dick as well as being cocky. The interview was relaxed and natural and you seemed to bring out his true nature which is much more likable. Maybe by dislike was semi-based on nationalistic pride. 

 

Congrats, it was one of the best interviews I've heard in a long time. I think Jase is a very good interviewer, but he did not get Herlings to open up nearly as much as you did. You know it's a good interview when you get out of the truck and put your earbuds in to listen while you are going about your business at home. 

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I’m first generation american from dutch parents… the cockiness is just how most dutchman sound when they speak english. It’s a mixture of the Cadence of...

I’m first generation american from dutch parents… the cockiness is just how most dutchman sound when they speak english. It’s a mixture of the Cadence of their english which is how dutch is spoken in short staccato bursts and their use of expletives. the expletives are just sprinkled throughout their sentences and not used in the same way as we use them in the US, but it’s very abrasive to our ears! 😂

With all that said overall i liked the pod cast but i couldn’t help but think it sounded like Austin Powers interviewing Goldmember … that’s one of my favorite movies so i swear that’s a compliment and was making me laugh! 

I didn't hear Austin Powers, I heard Irwin Mainway. 

 

 

 

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8/8/2023 7:12am
EuroGuy39 wrote:

Lewis did you toss Jeffreys salad after this interview?

I wish I'd seen this coming. I'd have chucked in a comment at the end like: "By the way, you are terrible."

I think your head would have exploded if you said that. 

The saying in journalism is "There's no cheering in the press box" but in my opinion I like being involved in a sport where the journalists are such fans. It's a sport of passion and there's no fake hype with you. 

8/8/2023 7:14am
EuroGuy39 wrote:

Lewis did you toss Jeffreys salad after this interview?

I wish I'd seen this coming. I'd have chucked in a comment at the end like: "By the way, you are terrible."

McG194 wrote:
I think your head would have exploded if you said that.  The saying in journalism is "There's no cheering in the press box" but in my...

I think your head would have exploded if you said that. 

The saying in journalism is "There's no cheering in the press box" but in my opinion I like being involved in a sport where the journalists are such fans. It's a sport of passion and there's no fake hype with you. 

I speak my truth, good or bad. I can't be fake... I think that's why Jeffrey and I get on.

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8/8/2023 8:59am
McG194 wrote:
I think your head would have exploded if you said that.  The saying in journalism is "There's no cheering in the press box" but in my...

I think your head would have exploded if you said that. 

The saying in journalism is "There's no cheering in the press box" but in my opinion I like being involved in a sport where the journalists are such fans. It's a sport of passion and there's no fake hype with you. 

Reminds me of one year at Millville, as track crew I would spectate on Mt. Martin. I would cheer for the Sexton/Tomac battle and an AMA official came and told me I couldn't cheer trackside for TV purposes... No chance I'm holding back cheers for a good battle. Absolutely not! We are all fans of this sport. 

Catch me trackside giving them the windmill Grinning

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8/8/2023 9:05am

My honest opinion. Great interview I love knowing more about the behind the scenes and the personal life of riders.  I’m a fan of Herlings and would love to see him over in the US racing. 
 

if I had one negative to say it came across a little like a fan boy interview though. 

8/8/2023 9:30am
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DV commented on Pulp that everyone online was shitting on Herlings for the crashes in the whoops but he saw him and his lap times were...

DV commented on Pulp that everyone online was shitting on Herlings for the crashes in the whoops but he saw him and his lap times were similar to Marvin.

Had Herlings applied himself and gone full time earlier in his career, he would have adapted to SX and challenged. He is one of the most talented riders to swing a leg over a dirtbike, ever!

 

When and where did Herlings have similar laptimes to Marv on a sx track? I doubt it

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