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RC certainly has career stats that will be difficult to top.
However if you look at RC’s rookie year on a 250 (the subject of this thread), his results for the first six races were:
1-1
1-4
12-12
5-1
1-1
2-3
Pretty good but Jett’s start stacks up well so far.
Jett stats may be significantly behind in the whole career. Coz jett had a poor rookie year in comparison to ricky and James.
But jett being bad as a 16 year old rookie doesn't mean he couldn't have imporved more in his 1st 3 years to be closer to guys like ricky.
In jetts first 24 races he only had 2 wins. So that significantly brings down his stats.
From his first 34 races he has 5 wins.
Then he has 27 wins from his last 39 races.
This topic was to compare riders as they enter the premier class. So u have to ignore the 1st year or 2 of there careers. And how the others finished off.
Yep i was at the step.down when that happened.
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Haha, so was I, we were probably standing right next to each other. lol
That crash was brutal, I honestly thought at the time, that would be the last time we see James race.
To those saying RC raced against no one when he was winning all the time Windham and Reed were no slouch outdoors.. Chad has won a Moto at MXDN, won the 2009 outdoor title after taking a few years off nationals.. THEN 3 years later is clearly the best guy in the class against prime RV and Dunge before the crash..
Chads outdoor career doesn’t look that great because RC was THAT good, he just won everything!
Crazy,my wife was wtf is that green bike in the air. 🙄
Unpopular opinion, but I’d say that the ‘02, ‘04 and ‘08 seasons had stiffer competition than the ‘23 season does.
Where are the top competitors to Jett, our current man on a quest for perfection? I’d say a solid method of determining who those “top competitors” are is by looking at the final point standings of last year’s Outdoor series, with caveats to this method being Dylan Ferrandis (‘21 champ) who did not compete last year, and is currently racing himself back into shape and who, I believe, has not yet gotten back to his full potential as of round 6 of the year.
#1 Eli Tomac: Injured, not competing, out with ruptured achilles
#2 Chase Sexton: Raced Jett very closely at round one in Pala (but lost), before having a head injury and contracting mono, an extremely tough illness for an athlete to fully recover from. Missed 3 rounds, and has finished 2-3, and 2-2 since returning, while still recovering from mono.
#3 Jason Anderson: Neck injury caused him to miss multiple rounds at the end of SX season and the first 4 rounds of MX season. Is racing himself into shape, and has a ways to go, as the results have been less than desirable.
#4 Ken Roczen: Not competing, save round 4 where he arguably gave Jett his toughest competition this season.
#5 Christian Craig: Injured, not competing
#6 Ryan Dungey: Not competing
#7 Aaron Plessinger: Competing with solid results, just can’t compete with Jett
#8 Justin Barcia: Injured, not competing
#9 Joey Savatgy: Not competing
So, 8 of last year’s top 9 riders are either out of this series completely, or have missed multiple rounds and are still recovering from/nursing old injuries/illnesses. I would say that while Jett does appear to be a generational talent, capable of breaking many records throughout what is hopefully a long and healthy career, the level of hype and the recency bias that everyone is currently infected with is a bit out of focus. HOWEVER, we are talking about each of these three men as they were in their rookie seasons, and I don’t think anyone can argue that Jett is one of the best rookies we have ever seen in the premier class.
My vote is Carmichael ends the series with more points, followed by Jett in second who does manage to win several motos and beat rookie RC straight up on a couple occasions, followed by JS who although able to show he can be the fastest at times, proves to be too inconsistent to compete across the span of a season with RC and Jett.
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Ricky and Stew lived and breathed motocross from a young age, and were pushed by a parent to be the best. With expectations pushed on them greater than anyone before or during that time, that's why they demolished them all.
Jett has lived and breathed motocross, in an era where a lot of pros have had a similar upbringing to the RC and JS template, and he is smoking them all.
The difference is that Jett grew up with a champion older brother, and the people pushing him haven't been his mum or dad. The people pushing have been proven high level mx trainers/coaches/racers, he is a product of a level of training and expectation that has not been seen before.
This is why he beats RC and JS if they all raced their rookie season together.
This is a strangely put together post. Instead of this business about them starting at the same time and rookie seasons and so on, why not just ask who would win out of the three if they were all in their prime? (Which is what you first started your post with). Or alternatively, who would win based on the form each had during their perfect seasons? Obviously, you can't even ask this as Jett is still in the midst of his season.
What are we to base these mythical 'rookie seasons' on? If it's their actual rookie seasons, Jett - if he continues as he's begun - will win - just look at the actual stats.
Chase never had mono. He said in a recent interview it was a false test result.
Yeah 8 of last year's top 9 isn't here. But 5 of this year's top 6 wasn't there last year. I know they wouldn't but who is to say those 5 wouldn't have beat the 8 from last season?? 2 of them beat chase and Eli last time they race a mx championship and a 3rd is jett.
Ferrandis is 19 weeks post concussion how long do u want to make excuses for him?
Yes this championship is pretty weak. But the guy winning is a rookie. Rc went undefeated in his 3rd and 5th years. James was in his 4th.
Line up the top 5 or 10 from 08 and tell me how it’s better than 23 please.
2008 started out promising, but guys started dropping like flies trying to keep up with Stew!😂
Alessi, Milsaps, Townley, Short, Ferry, Byrne, Tedesco, Hill, Hepler, Cooper
I really thought Townley would be James’ biggest competition having just came off that great battle with RV in 2007, but it was not to be.
DV scored 11 points 😏
So that's 0 450 titles. Maybe 3 250 titles and prob 10 450 wins.
In 15 years time you will just be looking at the names not the physical condition. You don't remember of those guys who was slightly injured.
Anderson, ferrandis, sexton, webb, that's 5 450 titles. And ac and ap you have about 12 250 titles.
That’s exactly what I was getting at, cheers.
Well, you know why most didn’t have titles and wins, because James and Ricky were greedy, they took them all! Haha Cheers
Don’t know if you’ve ever had a concussion, or ever raced competitively, but depending on the grade of the concussion you can’t to jack for a length of time. So no on bike training, no workouts for some time, either. You can literally look at Dylan’s face and tell he isn’t in peak physical condition. He looks a little doughy, for Pro Nationals standards.
If you can hop on a 450 after not training and not having your mental faculties all together and still compete at an elite level, I’d know your name…but I don’t.
Sweet number though. I used to run 313, too.
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Also, can you provide a link to the interview where Chase says he didn’t actually have mono? I can find nothing on the interwebs.
Call me crazy but I think this version of Jett gives a prime RC/Bubba a run for their money.
He might not be shit compared to RC yet, but when comparing rookie premier class seasons between Ricky Carmichael and Jett Lawrence, RC isn't even in the same league of success that Jett Lawrence is, now I know that might sound sacrilegious to say, but it's the truth. Now comparing Ricky Carmichael of 2000 through 2007, I'd say Ricky beats him, but were just seeing the beginning stages of Jett Lawrence and have no idea how good he might be, but for a Rookie, he's been amazing.
No link, but he stated no mono a couple of times, I think to Weigandt. He was embarrassed about it and said he changed doctors.
Yeah somehow this thread morphed into something else. The question was which rookie would win. Not if the versions of RC and Bubba that went undefeated would beat Jett. Jett is the best rookie by a mile. But, yeah, if we put him up against 2004 RC or 2008 Bubba he gets smoked
I don't think smoked is necessarily the right word, but RC and JS at the height of their prime and experience would probably beat the rookie version of Jett Lawrence. Now 3 or 4 years from now, Jett might raise his game to the point he'd beat RC and JS at their best. I will say this though, with the advances in motocross bike technology, Jett riding his 2023 HRC CRF450, would beat RC on his 2004 CRF450 and James on his 2008 KX450F. Anyways! it's all hypothetical, the 3 of them are all badasses and we can only guess who was the best, but maybe we'll have a better idea in 8 or 10 years after we see how many titles Jett racks up when he's at his absolute prime, which he's not at yet.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/chase-sexton-mono
It's a joke right?
Well! I think we can all agree that Eli Tomac of the last couple years probably is running about the same speed as RC and JS7 and the only rider that could stay with him last year was Chase Sexton and Jett Lawrence has consistently beat him this year in outdoor motocross, so I agree that I think he could run their pace and give those two a run for their money though not necessarily beat them when they were in their prime form.
Yea riders, track conditions havent changed since last.year, maybe compare lap times from ten years ago while we are at it. Smh
Guess I’ll throw my .02 in, rookie season as in small bore class, nobody, and I mean nobody touches JS. He absolutely owned that class. Rookie season in the big bore class, it’s hard to say. This season is pretty thin, JS didn’t have a 450 and was behind the 8 ball when he moved up, I think RC had a fairly thin field too, but honestly I can’t remember. I’m pretty damn sure though, that the first half of 2007, no one else would have touched JS and RC. Those two pushed each other so hard that everyone else was just camel fodder.
edit: OK, last season ET and Sexton did push each other pretty hard. I somehow forgot that! 🤷🏼♂️
Well, DV just said on pulp that if you take 2005-2007 RC and James, put them on 2023 bikes, both beat Jett.
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