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For what its worth, as a 16 year engineer, the talent pool is already in the shitter and its not going to get any better anytime soon.
You make many incorrect assumptions my friend.
Well, there are alternatives to the standard school model…like the kid we sponsored at Embry Riddle that just graduated AF flight school and is now a FAIP in the T6 Texan (he’ll transition to fighters after,”FAIP/FIGHTER”)
And I’ve seen great results from Trade Schools and State Universities, too…like Cal-State schools versus the indoctrinating and grossly overpriced UC system.
As for those that want to compare the various types of mis-begotten bail outs…?
They ALL suck.
“Too Big to Fail” is the absolute fucking worst!
I genuinely don't believe some posters here haven't even tried to enroll in college despite the complaints of expenses. "Only let kids from well to do familys go to college" is an example. Ivy league school's scholarships are all needs based, as are a lot of schools. If my family was poor, my kids would have had far more choices in scholarships than the choices they had because they were good students. I suppose that is what people want, colleges choosing students based on income rather than intelligence.
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I'm with you 100% that the trade school route is a far better alternative for most kids. But we do have some pretty intelligent kids that we need to find a way for them to be in positions to better our future. It sure seems that the more the government helps the kids the more the university takes. You realize that some universities make enough money on the investments from their endowment that they could put every student through the process for free. But you (government help) give the student more money and the university sees that and raises the bar on how much money they take. It didn't used to be like that but the system is FOR profit, and they are very good at making a profit. Now, how about they have the university sponsor the loan and if the student can't get a job with the degree the university took money for, the university writes it off. I guarantee you they would stop taking money for underwater basket weaving diplomas and they would start focusing on diplomas that you could do something with. Not all diplomas are worthless. And may diplomas are not easy to get through the program.
Like I stated before, all Ivy league schools scholarships are need based. Foreign students handle it. Seems odd for someone to feel smart enough for college, but absolutely helpless to pay for it. I guess there is a big secret where money comes from for some. In my world, people are begging you to come and earn it. Begging, please come earn it. It seems some are so bothered that some will always earn more than them, that they will never earn anything because of perceived unfairness. Weird. Wealth is out there, as much as you want, people are begging you to get it, go get it. College doesn't replace drive. Let people get richer than you, help them get richer, you will get PAYED. Don't be a victim, be a victor, be a hungry shark. There are shitloads of wealth to be made in this country without college. Make no mistake, college is a promise of education, not a good living. Education is invaluable, but wealth comes from wisdom and wiles. Plenty of shit heads out there with multiple paid degrees, making 150k plus a year, broke as a joke. Plenty of wealthy people out there never broke 100k a year.
"Perhaps if affording college is difficult to grasp it's not for you."
These are your words. I told you how it was received. You chose not to explain it.
"don't believe some posters here haven't even" WTF does that even mean?
If you were trying to say you don't believe the poster has experience with college admission's process, then taking words from a specific post, obviously talking about me. It's received as you're calling me dishonest AKA a liar on this matter.
You have an open window to explain why you think if affording college is difficult, you shouldn't go.
Please also explain why this is not an elitist statement. Because you softened it using the word "perhaps"?
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Why is it so hard for many to see that the government is the reason college is so expensive?
Endless amounts of loans for college, regardless of credit worthiness, regardless of major, regardless of potential earnings from the degree…just endless money. This endless money allows colleges to continue to charge more and more and more for college (because people can pay it…and the culture in this country is that traditional college is a “must do” so you’ve got millions of brainwashed high school graduates who think the only way to make any money in the world is with a college degree).
I’m not advocating to do away with student loans…only that the federal government needs to stop guaranteeing them, they need to be risk based, and allowed to be BK’d out of…as all the easy risk free money goes away, tuition rates will go down, and more and more high school graduates will look to other avenues to progress in their career.
the government is created this problem, and they are trying to solve it with more government (oblivious to the fact that government is the problem and more government will only make it worse).
Titan gets it. If there's more money to be had, there's more money to take. Pretty simple.
Forgive me for not recognizing your posts, because of the random user names I respect anonymiity. As far as " if affording college is difficult for you to grasp", for me it was. I never went, like you I couldn't afford it, I went to work. But I was tough, despite being, in a word, dumb. I chose fuel for my equipment many times, over food or sleep for me. Perhaps you couldn't understand. I chose a long game, I wanted a good life for my loved ones and my employees, and I would take a bullett for any of my clients as well. In a word it has payed off. From my and my families experience in college admissions, no poor families are segregated against during admissions, they are encouraged. If my kids were not great students they would have been segregated against because I own a business. As harsh and as cruel as it sounds, if you can't figure out a way to pay for college, don't go. Plenty of other rewarding, profitable ways to make a living in the USA. Of course you may not care if you are a burden to others with your financial responsibilities and go anyways. College is great for education, but you do not need it to make money...no way. As a matter of fact in my experience and many wealthy people I know it's a distraction and waste of time.Course it's ok if middle class is a goal.
Want doesn't have anything to do with anything. What if I want a yacht... too bad. You think want makes you eligible for a free engineering degree, are you kidding me? You equate a good living with what others teach you or what you want? You equate what you want with what you should have or receive? Earning money is about finding a way to enable people to wish to pay you money, not about some arbitrary degree with questionable value in an international economy spanning the internet, but because of your actual providings. What you do, that others will not do. Great, you spent 250k on an engineering degree, while somebody in India is willing to do the same work, with the same degree, while not smoking pot, for 20k a year. Good luck, cry poor, try go fund me.
Something must be wrong because we are agreeing.
I am not one of those people that believes all college should be free, but any public university should 100% be regulated with their tuition fees. Private schools should be able to charge whatever they want. But as a public university, using public tax payer dollars to fund your services, yeah you then accept that the same organization (government) can regulate your profits made off of your tuition prices.
Saying if you can’t afford it don’t go is silly. Should we tell every inner city adolescent in poverty to just stick to being a retail manager or go into a trade? Just eliminated a huge portion of potential future doctors or engineers who are vital to our nation’s future. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have great parents to pay for their college, or be gifted athletically to get it paid for that way, and scholarships are extremely competitive and not everyone who deserves one gets it.
Maybe you shoulda paid off your $9k in student loans instead of buying an ADV Bike? 🤷♂️
Unfortunately things are pretty tough for young people in this country. A lot of future doctors and engineers lives are destroyed even before college is an option. But like I stated before from our experience a lot of college scholarships are available to the poor, and all Ivy league scholarships are need based.
Sad truth ,you have a large portion of the country arguing about men that want to be pretty and woman who want to be handsome. The important stuff goes unattended.
our whole way of life is not sustainable and you have a political party hell bent on destroyin this country.
cant believe anyone would get married or bring kids into this clown world
Ivy League schools have Athletic, Talent & Merit based scholarships.
Examples: Football, Theater & Physics.
To the down voters of this post, try a little experiment: take an 18 year old and have them apply for a $100k student loan. Then have the same 18 year old apply for a $100k business loan and see which one they get laughed at for trying.
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There are more scholarships and tuition assistance programs for inner-city/children of Urbana than you can count. Get this, my daughter qualifies for many of them; but, she’s more interested in pursuing talent and athletic scholarships that are available.
But, to the point at hand: we’re saying,”You signed up for it. You used it. Now, pay for it.”
And that’s all we’re saying.
Off-sets, term/length of contract rewrites, rate reductions do not bother me at all; but, just like the other bail outs referred to herein, we need to quit bailing all these entities & these people with their 1st world problems out. Period.
39 countries with free college (some nominal fees)… why doesn’t the USA offer this?
Community College = nominal fees
Transfer from Community to State ain’t too pricey, either.
What’s the justification for forgiving PPP loans and drastically slashing taxes for the top 1%, and then saying no to forgiving student loans? I don’t have any student loans and I didn’t benefit from the top 1% tax cuts or the PPP loan forgiveness. So I’m a neutral party here. There’s 0 logic in that. If they made everyone pay their loans back, fine. If they said all is forgiven, fine. To pick and choose like this is absurd. The corporate and top 1% tax cuts implemented in 2017 cost the federal government more money over a 10 year period than student loan forgiveness would.
Why does the rest of the world come here for an education?
Prestige .
I have no idea what you’re “picking or choosing” reference is about. I was talking about student loans and scholarships in that conversation.
Btw, all the people & companies that I know…that got PPP loans forgiven…sure as hell were NOT in the 1% you speak of.
Alright let’s just focus solely on college then. I’m capable of doing that unlike you in a certain other thread.
College tuition has risen at an average inflation rate of 6.19% per year from 1977 to 2023. The average overall inflation rate in that time is 3.55%. So that’s nearly double. A 5K semester tuition in 1977 would cost 77K in 2023. The direct line inflation rate there would be over 1K %. Average wages have not kept up with inflation since Reaganomics was implemented in the early 80s. Naturally, this combination will lead to more and more 18 year olds not being able to rely on their parents to help pay for tuition or be able to pay for it themselves with part time and/or summer jobs like they did in previous decades. Therefore, they take out loans to pay for their school.
Now, a slight little boost to help them have a leg up and keep the economy booming like it has the last several months was shot down by Republicans. The same Republicans who pushed through massive tax cuts for the top 1% of income earners and didn’t bat an eye about forgiving PPP loans. Which is why those statements was made. The cuts given and relief to those two groups individually cost more than the 10-20K relief select borrowers would have gotten. So obviously it’s not a money issue.
Also, to answer your statement in your most recent post, the PPP loans and the top 1% tax cuts are two separate instances, not one.
Ivy League schools don’t have athletic scholarships.
Tax cuts aren’t government hand outs, and aren’t even close to the same as debt forgiveness…I want everyone’s taxes cut, and I don’t want anyone to pay more taxes. I want everyone to give less of the money they earn to the government.
College tuition has risen so quickly largely because of student loans. It was the early 80’s when the borrowing really picked up (it surpassed $10B sometime in the mid-80’s)…which has skyrocket tuition. It had nothing to do with reagonimics taking money from the middle class…it had to do with more and more Americans being okay going into debt for college and colleges taking advantage lenders giving out the risk free student loans and jacking up tuition.
I disagreed with the PPP forgiveness, I disagree with student loan forgiveness…but I applaud tax cuts for any and all Americans. Tax cuts aren’t a government hand out, like ppp and student loan forgiveness…
They are essentially the same thing for the government. Cutting taxes for the top 1% and mega corporations causes them to bring in billions less in revenue annually. Forgiving a portion of the student loans would do the same. If I do a job for 100 dollars and just decide to never collect my payment, that’s the same to me as collecting it and then losing the cash on my way home. The point clearly was that the top 1% don’t need any help whatsoever, but are constantly given it by the same people who deny middle and lower class initiatives to help them out.
Ah so in the 80s, right when Reaganomics was implemented. Lines up with my point perfectly it seems!
You can applaud tax cuts and also understand that not all tax cuts are equal to each other. Priorities need to be made. And if there’s tax cuts, there needs to also be spending cuts. Something Republicans never do. That’s fine to be against loan forgiveness of all types. Encourage those who represent you to maintain consistency.
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