2024 Silly Season

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DonM 6/21/2023 12:42pm
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DonM wrote:

Some people need pics and a press release....but they'll take tinfoil heads word as truth....

thewrizzle wrote:

You’re not talking about me?

No just a general statement

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soyMotero wrote:
Spanish website MX1Onboard is reporting Ferrandis to Kawasaki with Anderson as his teammate... https://mx1onboard.com/rumor-dylan-ferrandis-to-kawasaki/?fbclid=PAAabm_6-Qt692bXoWZc3JCHe7NRkHKqW3CLXxzuaEeO2R0PWGgTCoGB9PmYQ Is AC9 safe for next year? I thought his contract expired at...

Spanish website MX1Onboard is reporting Ferrandis to Kawasaki with Anderson as his teammate...

https://mx1onboard.com/rumor-dylan-ferrandis-to-kawasaki/?fbclid=PAAabm…

Is AC9 safe for next year? I thought his contract expired at the end of 2024

ML512 wrote:

Adam Cianciarulo has a contract for 2024.

Will he continue race if cant ride 100% due his arm problem? 

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Cayden Thompson wrote:

1) What's wrong with the "Star Environment?"

2) What is "flexing" with riders running fatbars?

Mitch has always ran twin walls. Says he doesn’t like the look of bikes with no crossbars. He’s now allowed jo and apparently hammaker as well to run fatbars. 

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davistld01 6/21/2023 1:04pm
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Anything remotely solid on Musquin? Retirement, or...

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davistld01 wrote:

Anything remotely solid on Musquin? Retirement, or...

Workin w. Vialle now 

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chasetwo79 6/21/2023 1:27pm
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googs the 2nd wrote:
yep but can only assume they don't pay like the other factory teams then???? levi is taking a step down to the kawi so can only...

yep but can only assume they don't pay like the other factory teams then????

levi is taking a step down to the kawi so can only assume mirtle got him a pay increase?

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I am sure that matters on the amount of other bidders had before signing their deal and I am sure that varies per rider each time. ...

I am sure that matters on the amount of other bidders had before signing their deal and I am sure that varies per rider each time. 

I highly doubt the money Levi got would be drastically different at PC from a base salary perspective. From everything that has been said, Mitch has historically paid more of a bonus heavy structure and that's why he has missed out on some top riders in the past. 

I think the choice about going to PC for Levi is more than about money upfront. I think he prefers to be on the west coast, doesn't really love the star environment, and knows Deegan is priority number one for the next few years for the Yamaha brand on 250s and probably 450s sooner than later. He's younger, has more reach, and probably more total potential. I don't blame Star or Yamaha but if I am Levi (I'm not), I'd love to be top dog at PC and have a clear shot to a Monster Kawi 450 seat in 2-3 years. 

Last, the PC bike did see a few down years on performance but it looks like the bike is much improved over the past couple of years and most of the riders on the team say that. Mitch is even showing more flex these days in his program, letting Jo and Hammaker run fat bars. 

 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

1) What's wrong with the "Star Environment?"

2) What is "flexing" with riders running fatbars?

1. I didn't say anything is wrong with the star environment. It's well known that it's a hyper-competitive, winning over everything culture. Some people do well there, others don't enjoy it. Also, no matter what, with Deegan around, he is going to be the B side there. So why not be the A side at PC. Similar to Sexton leaving Honda and the Jett situation behind. 
 

2. Mitch never let riders run crossbar-less handlebars. He has always said that he hates the look of them and his riders, until this year, have always had to use the standard rental bars. Now he is letting them use the fat bars which tend to reduce rigidity and provide more comfort from flexing. 

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chasetwo79 6/21/2023 1:29pm
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davistld01 wrote:

Anything remotely solid on Musquin? Retirement, or...

mxb2 wrote:

Workin w. Vialle now 

I heard he was talking to FirePower Honda. Maybe ML can chime in? 

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1911 6/21/2023 1:31pm
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Done deal? Is this just another way to say STAMP IT?

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Bow977 6/21/2023 1:35pm
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Anything in the rumor mill for Jett Reynolds? Last year of PC contract. 

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Richard Tease II 6/21/2023 3:10pm
6/21/2023 3:10pm
mx313 wrote:

Is dax going to race a pro race b4 Loretta's?

Also that's 6 riders do they have room for an extra like maximus?

ML512 wrote:

Seven if you count Thrasher who I forgot to add to the post.

chasetwo79 wrote:
It's an interesting strategy that Star takes with its 250 roster. They go big knowing that the class always has a ton of volatility and that...

It's an interesting strategy that Star takes with its 250 roster. They go big knowing that the class always has a ton of volatility and that at any given time they will have 2-3 riders out with injury. They almost always still have a strong presence no matter who is hurt. Stiles, Thrasher, Farres, and Cooper were out this weekend and they still put their sponsors and Yamaha on the podium and in front of the fans on tv. 

Anyone can hit a target with a lot of bullets. Ok Star Wars stormtroopers might be proving this theory wrong

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Flatliner 6/21/2023 3:34pm
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Maybe you guys see something with the star bikes I don’t.  They look good , as do the pc bikes. Who does star’s engines? 
 

also , the 24 Yamaha is supposed to be all new.  Who knows what that’ll look like from a race team perspective. 
 

I don’t see a weak link in the 250 class bike wise from rockstar to ktm to pc to Honda,   I just don’t.  

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Money 6/21/2023 4:53pm
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Flatliner wrote:
Maybe you guys see something with the star bikes I don’t.  They look good , as do the pc bikes. Who does star’s engines?    also...

Maybe you guys see something with the star bikes I don’t.  They look good , as do the pc bikes. Who does star’s engines? 
 

also , the 24 Yamaha is supposed to be all new.  Who knows what that’ll look like from a race team perspective. 
 

I don’t see a weak link in the 250 class bike wise from rockstar to ktm to pc to Honda,   I just don’t.  

Then you dont know what you’re looking at. Star bike hands down has the best engine. Suspension not the best. Overall bike i would say the Honda 250. They really increased their engine performance when ryan cox went there and they introduced the electric water pump in 2020. Ryan has now gone to pc so look for them to make gains. Ktm/husky bikes look decent but rj rides his to the limit and it shows by him taking big chances and hitting the deck a lot. 

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OrangeJuice158 6/21/2023 5:05pm
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chasetwo79 wrote:
I am sure that matters on the amount of other bidders had before signing their deal and I am sure that varies per rider each time. ...

I am sure that matters on the amount of other bidders had before signing their deal and I am sure that varies per rider each time. 

I highly doubt the money Levi got would be drastically different at PC from a base salary perspective. From everything that has been said, Mitch has historically paid more of a bonus heavy structure and that's why he has missed out on some top riders in the past. 

I think the choice about going to PC for Levi is more than about money upfront. I think he prefers to be on the west coast, doesn't really love the star environment, and knows Deegan is priority number one for the next few years for the Yamaha brand on 250s and probably 450s sooner than later. He's younger, has more reach, and probably more total potential. I don't blame Star or Yamaha but if I am Levi (I'm not), I'd love to be top dog at PC and have a clear shot to a Monster Kawi 450 seat in 2-3 years. 

Last, the PC bike did see a few down years on performance but it looks like the bike is much improved over the past couple of years and most of the riders on the team say that. Mitch is even showing more flex these days in his program, letting Jo and Hammaker run fat bars. 

 

Keefer would say less flex. 

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davistld01 6/21/2023 5:06pm
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Anything remotely solid on Musquin? Retirement, or...

mxb2 wrote:

Workin w. Vialle now 

Just me…but Marvin doesn’t seem like a guy to fully step away from pro racing & be a trainer/coach to a fellow Euro-guy. I’ve heard rumors of him hooking up with Firepower Honda…and stepping away from KTM, and that sounds more likely. He’s a a husband, and a Dad…but a super competitive guy! And, I believe Mathilde would support his racing aspirations.

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Flatliner 6/21/2023 5:17pm
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Money wrote:
Then you dont know what you’re looking at. Star bike hands down has the best engine. Suspension not the best. Overall bike i would say the...

Then you dont know what you’re looking at. Star bike hands down has the best engine. Suspension not the best. Overall bike i would say the Honda 250. They really increased their engine performance when ryan cox went there and they introduced the electric water pump in 2020. Ryan has now gone to pc so look for them to make gains. Ktm/husky bikes look decent but rj rides his to the limit and it shows by him taking big chances and hitting the deck a lot. 

Suspension is relative , they’ve went from spring to air a few times so to me that says preference.  
 

I’m watching the races same as you , and i don’t see the hands down edge. Maybe someone else does , but I see bikes that are very , very close.   I don’t see a situation where a pc rider says his engine was why he didn’t win after a moto. 
 

do you know who does the engines ?  Factory Yamaha did hill and heplers bikes in 07-08ish and they looked like dogs.  So I don’t think that’s the case here obviously, just wondering who does. Obviously they’re potent. 

googs the 2nd 6/21/2023 10:06pm
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JBlain619 wrote:

Mirtle isn't Levi's agent.  Jimmy Button is

duh!....sure i heard it on pulp?

maybe another star guy............?

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B Gotti 7/1/2023 3:43pm
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Where is Kitchen going?

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DonM 7/1/2023 3:52pm
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B Gotti wrote:

Where is Kitchen going?

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ohh_454 7/1/2023 7:44pm
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Vohland going to pc next year?

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tek14 7/2/2023 10:47am
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What brand HEP will run 2024?

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TomC31 7/15/2023 9:24pm
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Justin Cooper said on the broadcast today he is full time 450 next year! 

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mx313 7/15/2023 9:47pm
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TomC31 wrote:

Justin Cooper said on the broadcast today he is full time 450 next year! 

Yup he also said it on pulp this week.

It seems like j-coop and Webb at star.

Then Eli gets to do what he wants. Retire or 1 sx season? Maybe 2. But due to the fact he wasn't going to race outdoors this season and what's happened he will prob be sx only.

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Danny818 7/15/2023 10:55pm
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I think Pro Circuit Kawasaki really screwed over Ryder D.

After a Amateur career with Kawasaki with many championships they kick him to TLD,

I hope he kicks their ass in 24 

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Danny818 wrote:
I think Pro Circuit Kawasaki really screwed over Ryder D. After a Amateur career with Kawasaki with many championships they kick him to TLD, I hope...

I think Pro Circuit Kawasaki really screwed over Ryder D.

After a Amateur career with Kawasaki with many championships they kick him to TLD,

I hope he kicks their ass in 24 

I think the ktm group went after ryder d. I think kawi would have kept him but gasgas went for him. They lose mosiman and needed some1 to fill the spot.

If I was to say my top kids going pro currently. I would say it's Romano, deegan, hymas, ryder d. The ktm group needs 1 of those kids.

I think he has really good speed. In the opening 10 mins he a solid 5-7 guy. He just dies at 25 mins.

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Danny818 wrote:
I think Pro Circuit Kawasaki really screwed over Ryder D. After a Amateur career with Kawasaki with many championships they kick him to TLD, I hope...

I think Pro Circuit Kawasaki really screwed over Ryder D.

After a Amateur career with Kawasaki with many championships they kick him to TLD,

I hope he kicks their ass in 24 

mx313 wrote:
I think the ktm group went after ryder d. I think kawi would have kept him but gasgas went for him. They lose mosiman and needed...

I think the ktm group went after ryder d. I think kawi would have kept him but gasgas went for him. They lose mosiman and needed some1 to fill the spot.

If I was to say my top kids going pro currently. I would say it's Romano, deegan, hymas, ryder d. The ktm group needs 1 of those kids.

I think he has really good speed. In the opening 10 mins he a solid 5-7 guy. He just dies at 25 mins.

ive noticed that too. weird how he fades like he does.

KiwiBermRailer 7/16/2023 12:31am
7/16/2023 12:31am

The industry is cut throat. DF14 without a ride? Surely not. 

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Boomslang 7/16/2023 12:59am
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KiwiBermRailer wrote:

The industry is cut throat. DF14 without a ride? Surely not. 

There is a good option available for him if he is willing and can get out of his Monster deal.

 

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KiwiBermRailer wrote:

The industry is cut throat. DF14 without a ride? Surely not. 

Boomslang wrote:

There is a good option available for him if he is willing and can get out of his Monster deal.

 

HEP? If so, couldn’t they just roll him into the Progressive side like Kenny?

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Boomslang 7/16/2023 1:10am
7/16/2023 1:10am
KiwiBermRailer wrote:

The industry is cut throat. DF14 without a ride? Surely not. 

Boomslang wrote:

There is a good option available for him if he is willing and can get out of his Monster deal.

 

Sully wrote:

HEP? If so, couldn’t they just roll him into the Progressive side like Kenny?

I know HEP are interested but I've heard of a link to Husky being thrashed out. Sounds rather silly but stranger things have happened.

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