450 lap times

I was surprised how spread out the top guys were yesterday.  At the end of the 2nd moto, especially.  Jett and Chase were doing 2:27s, Ferrandis was 5 seconds a lap slower in the :32s, and AC9 was over  14 seconds a lap slower, running :42s!  I sure hope both Jett and Chase can stay healthy to make this somewhat interesting until the end.

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I was surprised how spread out the top guys were yesterday.  At the end of the 2nd moto, especially.  Jett and Chase were doing 2:27s, Ferrandis...

I was surprised how spread out the top guys were yesterday.  At the end of the 2nd moto, especially.  Jett and Chase were doing 2:27s, Ferrandis was 5 seconds a lap slower in the :32s, and AC9 was over  14 seconds a lap slower, running :42s!  I sure hope both Jett and Chase can stay healthy to make this somewhat interesting until the end.

That's what you get with only 5 or 6 factory guys lining up. Not a lot of people pushing the various position battles along.

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What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like SX. Completely inaccurate. The ONLY way to get times is if the teams do it with a stopwatch. I wouldn’t trust AMA times for a second. Totally unprofessional. My local promoter has no problem with MY times but AMA can’t keep straight what place half the pack is in let alone what the lap times are. Yeah…..No

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5/28/2023 1:42pm

Did anyone talk about what was wrong with AC9?

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PFitzG38 wrote:
What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like...

What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like SX. Completely inaccurate. The ONLY way to get times is if the teams do it with a stopwatch. I wouldn’t trust AMA times for a second. Totally unprofessional. My local promoter has no problem with MY times but AMA can’t keep straight what place half the pack is in let alone what the lap times are. Yeah…..No

You can't be serious? Laughing

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PFitzG38 wrote:
What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like...

What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like SX. Completely inaccurate. The ONLY way to get times is if the teams do it with a stopwatch. I wouldn’t trust AMA times for a second. Totally unprofessional. My local promoter has no problem with MY times but AMA can’t keep straight what place half the pack is in let alone what the lap times are. Yeah…..No

ML512 wrote:
You can't be serious? 

You can't be serious? Laughing

He is….

In other news I do want to congratulate our lovely tv crew for having the wrong color bikes with the riders on the tv pylon. 
 

Never Change Bondo, Never Change 

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Bondo switching is still off. Its almost like he wants to miss the pass or battle we all see coming. Thankfully they did ok with the box in box. Also why wasn’t fast laps occasionally shown? 

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5/28/2023 1:57pm

Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big of a surprise that he was off a little bit? Yesterday went exactly the way I thought it would.

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ML512 wrote:
You can't be serious? 

You can't be serious? Laughing

Yeah it's bad.  Me and my friends were joking if your guy isn't in the position you want, just keep looking at the ticker cause eventually he will be before he drops back down to where he actually is....or not.

Oh AC went down in the first turn and he's already in the top 10 YES!!  oh wait, never mind.  Shit JoeBlow already has a 6sec gap on DicTrickle....yeah - no.  The live timing is just a suggestion it's def not real-time scoring like any local promoter can do with MyLaps.  I know it sounds wacky like it should either work or not...where do the arbitrary numbers even come from and what algorithm just randomly places riders in odd orders....temporarily.

If you didn't notice that yesterday or all year long in SX, it could be because you're at the race and not paying attention to the replay when you watch it.

Obviously, the AMA gets its timing from somewhere but it's def not from the live timing that's broadcasted

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ML512 wrote:
You can't be serious? 

You can't be serious? Laughing

PFitzG38 wrote:
Yeah it's bad.  Me and my friends were joking if your guy isn't in the position you want, just keep looking at the ticker cause eventually...

Yeah it's bad.  Me and my friends were joking if your guy isn't in the position you want, just keep looking at the ticker cause eventually he will be before he drops back down to where he actually is....or not.

Oh AC went down in the first turn and he's already in the top 10 YES!!  oh wait, never mind.  Shit JoeBlow already has a 6sec gap on DicTrickle....yeah - no.  The live timing is just a suggestion it's def not real-time scoring like any local promoter can do with MyLaps.  I know it sounds wacky like it should either work or not...where do the arbitrary numbers even come from and what algorithm just randomly places riders in odd orders....temporarily.

If you didn't notice that yesterday or all year long in SX, it could be because you're at the race and not paying attention to the replay when you watch it.

Obviously, the AMA gets its timing from somewhere but it's def not from the live timing that's broadcasted

Yes 250s I think I saw Hampshire up to sixth in the 2nd moto when he was actually 14th 

450 was similar 

 

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5/28/2023 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 5/28/2023 2:59pm
PFitzG38 wrote:
What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like...

What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like SX. Completely inaccurate. The ONLY way to get times is if the teams do it with a stopwatch. I wouldn’t trust AMA times for a second. Totally unprofessional. My local promoter has no problem with MY times but AMA can’t keep straight what place half the pack is in let alone what the lap times are. Yeah…..No

Ridiculous.

The riders are timed to one thousandth of a second and the transponder timing is for the record.

Broadcast information is not always accurate or updated immediately.

Go here and have a look around:

 AMA Pro Motocross - PDF Results Archives (americanmotocrossresults.com)

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5/28/2023 3:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/28/2023 9:46pm
mac3-d wrote:

Yes 250s I think I saw Hampshire up to sixth in the 2nd moto when he was actually 14th 

450 was similar 

 

I know it was comical, I can't even think of specifics other than at one point they had AC, Deegan, Ferandleberry, Rick James, Sushi, and I think I remember Maximus being way down in the order at one point that was incorrect all either in the wrong position or with way unrealistic gaps.  During EVERY single SX I watched it was the same thing - and I'm watching with multiple people who are all laughing at the discrepancies - not complaining I've just accepted it, however, it was one of the biggest complaints of the Vitard cognoscenti just a few short weeks ago.

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5/28/2023 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 5/28/2023 9:45pm
Goldmember wrote:
Ridiculous. The riders are timed to one thousandth of a second and the transponder timing is for the record. Broadcast information is not always accurate or...

Ridiculous.

The riders are timed to one thousandth of a second and the transponder timing is for the record.

Broadcast information is not always accurate or updated immediately.

Go here and have a look around:

 AMA Pro Motocross - PDF Results Archives (americanmotocrossresults.com)

WoohooWoohoo Yeah...NO!  I used to pay as almost much attention to the live ticker as the race.  The riders may be timed to a cunt hair but it sure as hell isn't broadcast live.  Seemingly at ANY given time as long as I've watched SX/MX the last year the live timing is completely arbitrary anytime I happen to look at it.   I SEE Eli is in 1st on TV why is he being scored 15th?  Choose any rider any position for the previous sentence.  Sometimes it "seems" right....turn away for a second....look again, oh yeah I  forgot how fucked up live scoring is nowadays - can't count on that.  Lap times are the same.  Do you really think anybody is counting on that?  What I don't get is HOW this can be?  It should either work or not.  Where are the arbitrary numbers even coming from? Dominion or Smartmatic? and why is it still happening?  Shouldn't the live timing and the AMAs transponders come from the same source?  or are the 2 pickups or senders getting cross-rutted, or is it some moto timing neutrino from outer space?  Somebody is wishing this wasn't being talked about I bet.

EDIT nevermind I actually didn't read your second sentence, I thought you disagreed with me and just started typing.  You agree with me, you just misunderstood what I said and sent me a pdf of race results.

"Broadcast information is not always accurate or updated immediately."

Tru Dat.  But why not?  Why isn't what is broadcast the actual live time?  Where is it coming from if not the transponders in real-time?

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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big...

Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big of a surprise that he was off a little bit? Yesterday went exactly the way I thought it would.

Ferrandis is my favorite 450 rider and I was stoked to see how well he rode yesterday with no gate drops in a long, long time.  

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PFitzG38 wrote:
What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like...

What are you talking about?   None of us has any clue what laptimes were!  Those times and positions changed thru out the race. Just like SX. Completely inaccurate. The ONLY way to get times is if the teams do it with a stopwatch. I wouldn’t trust AMA times for a second. Totally unprofessional. My local promoter has no problem with MY times but AMA can’t keep straight what place half the pack is in let alone what the lap times are. Yeah…..No

ML512 wrote:
You can't be serious? 

You can't be serious? Laughing

I believe he's referring to the race order and live timing, streaming on the broadcast.  It was atrocious.  The race order, gaps and lap times were all over the place.  And on the other hand, I'm sure the OP is referring to real lap times, not the suggestions being broadcasted.

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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big...

Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big of a surprise that he was off a little bit? Yesterday went exactly the way I thought it would.

He actually said in his interview on the broadcast that he has been back on the bike for 5 weeks...not sure where you're getting two weeks

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5/29/2023 11:33am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big...

Ferrandis has only been back on the bike for 2 weeks. Chase and Jett have lost no time on their bikes. Is it really that big of a surprise that he was off a little bit? Yesterday went exactly the way I thought it would.

DonM wrote:

He actually said in his interview on the broadcast that he has been back on the bike for 5 weeks...not sure where you're getting two weeks

Saw in another thread from Saturday someone said 2 or a little over 2. My bad. Even with 5 weeks against guys that have been non stop is still just as good in my eyes.

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Unless the last few factory guys get injured. Then we'll basically be watching 30+min LCQs which could be quite entertaining Grinning

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