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I realize we’re just in first-race mode…and we’re missing some key riders this year, but judging from how fast Jett, Sexton & even Ferrandis looked yesterday, how would you have expected a healthy Tomac, Barcia & Anderson to have done? Do you think Tomac, at his best really would’ve been able to beat Lawrence…or was Jett’s “comfortable” win only because Tomac wasn’t there?
I think it would’ve been the same result. Eli might’ve gotten 2nd-3rd. Barcia and Anderson around 5th-7th.
Nobody would have touched Jett in the first moto. It’s been a long time since i saw a guy ride this flawless.
Beside Tomac (that has lost his edge imo) when it comes to speed, Anderson and Barcia got nothing on Sexton and Lawrence.
Sexton vs eli
Do we all agree that at this point of their careers that majority of the time sexton is faster then Eli in speed. But Eli has better race craft. So that pretty much evens it out. I don't think Eli has the raw speed like he used to. He now try's to be consistently fast.
Eliminate jett from the conversation for now.
Yesterday Eli would have won moto 1. Sexton had a poor start. Eli would have had a better start, gapped sexton and won.
Moto 2 sexton was good. His raw speed would have beat tomac.
So add in jett.
Hypothetically using chase vs tomac as the benchmark. An what I previously stated
Jett would have gone 1-1, Tomac 2-3, sexton 3,2.
But the only thing we know 100%. Is that we have lost the chance to see an epic 3 way battle.
A "defining memory" of last years MX season for me was when Tomac blasted past Sexton after the corner after the finish line jump at Spring Creek. Moved Sexton out of the way under full throttle. Not the usual going into or block pass type of passes.
Eli had the speed when it counted. Yes, he was more cautious and didn't seem to worry about much. Just handled business when he needed to. But I'm not willing to give the reigning (though injured) National Champ a demerit due to lack of speed.
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I think you're forgetting last year's moto season - Eli was every bit as fast as Chase for the majority of the rounds. Some rounds, he actually was a bit faster (Red Bud, Southwick), and Chase was faster in others (Unadilla and Pala round 1). But at most of the rounds, you could truly throw a blanket over them and you couldn't tell who was who - think about the way they shadowed each other all day at Washougal and Ironman.
If Tomac was in it would be a 3 way championship battle. If Anderson/Barcia were in we’d just have a healthier top 10.
1) Jett always rides well at Pala, look at his stats there.
2) You can't judge a whole season on one race.
3) Had a completely healthy Eli raced, I likely would have had him 2nd or 3rd, and him mixing it up with Jett and Chase - but not pushed so hard to win, because he's smart enough to know not to push too hard early in the season unless he's feeling it.
4) If Eli were 100% healthy, I would expect him to win motos, overalls, and be right there for the championship. Anyone discrediting his speed and race craft is stupid. Don't whine and complain when Jett has a bad crash this season because he rides over his head. Jett is a rookie with incredible speed and talent. But his race craft is going to get the better of him at some point this season.
I don't get this, what race craft, as I posted in the race thread, Tomac would have equal chances of him winning, battling a Privateer for 7th, or crashing out. Maybe even having a wardrobe malfunction and throwing a temper tantrum all the way back to the truck.
Y'all act like Tomac is Dungey or something, its quite silly.
Tomac was just as fast as Sexton in MX last year. Even in SX this year Tomac passed Sexton a few times and got such good starts he never had to ride balls out. He may not have the raw speed advantage he's had in years past, but the more mature riding and better starts were enough to win both titles last year and we all know he should have won the SX title this year. I think the biggest question mark for Tomac going into MX this year would have been the new bike. Maybe he would have had a slow start like last year while he and the team figured the bike out or maybe we would have seen flashes of 2015 (I know, unlikely, but I can dream). I think if Tomac and the team got the bike sorted we'd see a repeat of last year, but with Jett in the mix. We'll never know.
Round 1 people, at pala….. calm the fuck down
2015? where he only finished 5 motos? Why would y'all want this? lol Yes he was stupid fast, but it didn't account for much at all.
Yep, gotta finish.kinda like daytona sx. Stewart jumping, but didnt even win the race. Cool, yes, meaningful nope
Tomac shoulda, woulda, coulda been 2023 sx champ
I know the downvotes are gonna flow, but that's funny 😂
I wonder if the new YZ450 will have a disadvantage at the faster tracks for Ferrandis since it’s a bit twitchier?
“Flashes of 2015” obviously refers to his speed in 2015 and not the crash in CO. You could sub in “beast mode”, or whatever, the point is we don’t know how Tomac would have gone outdoors on the new bike.
I ain’t gonna lie. After Washougal last year, I thought Sexton had grabbed the momentum to win it all. The way Tomac fought back and won cemented his legacy in my eyes.
A championship is won by the rider who has the most points...AT THE END OF THE SEASON. Tomac has proven that he knows how to "manage a championship"...and that comes with experience. It doesn't make a bit of difference who won at Pala. Sexton has a bit more experience with not letting a bad race (or more than one) sabotage a season. Webb knows how to do it as well. We'll see how well Jett does at racing for a points lead rather than racing for individual wins.
Pit Row
Kinda like the 4 championships he's already managed to win?
250...much different than 450. In the small bikes, Jett beat a bunch of up-and-comers. In the 450 class, he'll have to beat fast guys who have been there a while. Jett could easily dominate in the 250's, but he may or may not do that with the same ease his first year in the main event.
His main title challenger has won 3 titles.
1 against mcelrath and 2 the leader crashed out.
Sexton really doesn't have that much experience in how to manage a championship.
Just so you guys know I updated woulda coulda shoulda. It's now, woulda, coulda, shoulda, hadda, outta, kinda, sorta.
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