MXA, I just can’t take it anymore…….

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11/9/2009 9:57am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2014 12:28am
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Mxa and Racerx are still the only magazines that i will read cover to cover in one sitting and i subscribe to all of them.....don't quite know why all the hostility towards jody, i have always found mxa to be enjoyable and i like that they call out the people that need to be called out. Too many magazines make everything seem awesome, every bike is good, j- law isn't an idiot, lil hanny isn't an under achiever, ets, etc.... also there is a history to our sport and i like how they preserve and enlighten the reader on this... there is a place in our sport for all of the mags, thats my two cents..
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11/9/2009 10:21am
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I can't argue about anything you said, paul. Well written. MXA should hire you.

And Dave, If you have no comment, why post "no comment"?
no means some? Smile
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The day I stop shitting is the day I stop reading MXA.

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The day I stop shitting is the day I stop reading MXA.
Pretty rough toilet paper, but at least you get to wipe yer ass with Jody.


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The only people that really seem to like MXA either know, are friends with or simply think Jody or someone at MXA is “core.
11/9/2009 11:57am
I like MXA, and don't know or care who Jody is. I do like all the magazines for different reasons though. The reason I like MXA, is that they are accurate on tests, and they seem to tell more truth than others. There are some that don't want to rock the boat, so they don't say anything at all. They don't lie, just don't want to put out, what people in the industry would frown upon. JMHO. Have we seen a test of a 450F and 500 2 stroke in any other mags?
11/9/2009 1:45pm
Used to love "jody's box"...but that was 15 years ago......
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Mxa and Racerx are still the only magazines that i will read cover to cover in one sitting and i subscribe to all of them.....don't quite...
Mxa and Racerx are still the only magazines that i will read cover to cover in one sitting and i subscribe to all of them.....don't quite know why all the hostility towards jody, i have always found mxa to be enjoyable and i like that they call out the people that need to be called out. Too many magazines make everything seem awesome, every bike is good, j- law isn't an idiot, lil hanny isn't an under achiever, ets, etc.... also there is a history to our sport and i like how they preserve and enlighten the reader on this... there is a place in our sport for all of the mags, thats my two cents..
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The only value in MXA any more is product tests, and even there - as i think Dave will confirm - some of what they say is baloney. But none of the other rags do ANY useful testing. Fortunately, today we don't have very many crap products in the marketplace, so the usefulness of even that part of MXA is questionable.

The main reason I stopped reading MXA is their mean streak with riders. They've skewered almost every rider in history at one point or another, and it's always the same wheeze - "he doesn't try hard enough". I actually shreaded a MXA with a lawnmower one time when they made the smartass remark about Robbie Reynard that he only cared about racing at Southwick, he was stupid for letting his dad help with his engine and "apparently Robbie's mother didn't have time to do his suspension." What a bunch of pissants. They forgot to mention that Reynard could hardly put on his jersey that year because his shoulder was so bad.

Disciples of Jody Weisel should think twice before they critique a rider's level of effort.
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MXA literally represents all that is wrong with this sport when they make any comment on racing and overseeing of the racing. why? Because they are...
MXA literally represents all that is wrong with this sport when they make any comment on racing and overseeing of the racing.

why?

Because they are stuck in nostalgia. What is nstalgia? 2 : a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition.

And what goes hand in hand with nostalgia? You forget or ignore all the bad, and only focus on the best parts and think it should always be that way, often to the point you stagnate, become closed minded, and eventually self destructive....... where MXA is today.

First off, as a group, they have to be some of the most chicken shitted people I have seen working for a publication. Majority of their articles have no author listed. So lets be clear, you want to hose and slam, but dont want your name put to it.... I think this one is very self explainitory and evident often in MXA.

Next, they offer critism on every single thing you can think of thats "not like it used to be" but do not offer ANYTHING to advance things, just put everything back to how it was, because it was so great "way back when"..... if it was so eff'ing great, why was it a hugely niche sport that was obscure to say the least? You think MX/SX is huge? To us it is the world. You go ask anyone thats not into our sport, they have no idea, and they outnumber us a 1000:1, actually, about 100,000 to 1...... pick 20 people you know that arent your riding buddies and ask those 20 people who Ricky Carmicheal is, or James Stewart, or Chad Reed.... they wont have a clue. Hell, pick 100, same criteria... same deal. Our sport is very small, and for it to become "un-small" to has to grow, you dont grow by maintaining the status quo so decades.

Then we have the best. Motocross Action, the publication that doesnt attend races. Why? Well to hear Jody say it, and Basher isnt much better but at least he signs his name to his column, they arent worth going to because of saturdays, side numbers, SX only contracts, the riders are shit, the bikes are shit AND way to much for a track.... but never forget "real" men ride 500's.... pick anything. Best part, I bet money they watch the nats on tv every week, well, wait, no, they wouldnt do that because its not how things used to be and anything new is complete bullshit. \

So, lets sum up, call me wrong if you can. According to MXA/jody:
same day coverage on network TV is a bad thing and must go
all the riders are over paid and under perform, translation, 2nd or 3rd they should be fired
and long the same vein, the riders should go back to being basically endentured servants that made no money
live network coverage is a bad thing, gotta go back to how things where, none
bikes are too much for the tracks because tracks back in the day didnt deteriorate like they do now, so lets bring back the blown out "real men" tracks.... uhh err... moving on
That 5 or 6 riders should have bikes with motors that RUIN anything else available and get rid of bikes that anyone can pick up and for NO motor money get a holeshot
the trend of putting on a professional pit presence has to go, we have to go back to teams using Rider box vans with mechanics having to drive 12 to 18 hours a day THEN completely rebuild the bike from scratch in 24 hours
and dont forget, 3 or 4 box vans, at 30K a pop, plus gas for them, plus maintenence on them and having to spend that each season and look budget as hell, is WAY better than spending 500k on a semi and getting how many seasons out of the trailor and at least 2 or 4 seaons out of the truck itself plus plus expences is NOT the way to go (dont you hate when reality and a calculator tells the truth and ruins nostalgia?)
and my personal favorite, there hardly isnt a bike made in 30 years that hasnt needed 1 tooth added to the rear sprocket

can you tell I just got back from waking up at 6 am, racing am day at des moines, then driving 553 miles back home, and killing blue monsters to stay alert?
Wow , there is so many inaccuracies in this post that I don't know where to begin. But, I'll try.

First off ,the MXA staff have explained( many times) why,on occasion, there are no bylines on a particular article. If you research this ,you can find the answer.

2.) MXA had no problem calling out the AMA , and in particular Steve Whitelock ,on what most felt were legitimate problems with the way the Nationals were run, and they most certainly DID offer suggestions on what they felt would be improvements, most of which have been implemented, coincindentally.

3.) Professional MX tracks should on be groomed to perfection only once ,before any racing starts. The only other time is to repair a dangerous section and maybe the start area. That part even most of the racers agree on.

4.)Some of your observations are based on comments that are taken out of context. ex.) Jody has never said that "all" riders are overpaid, but he has suggested that people who "race" for a living should put forth the effort to actually win a race now and then. Finishing inside the top 10 seems to be satisfactory for some guys that are being paid 7 figures. Another one- Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing.And that entire staff races multiple times per week. That doesn't mean that they don't go to the SX or Nationals, I have personally seen at least one MXA staffer at every AMA Pro race I've attended during the last 5 years (about 50)

4.)Although I do not recall MXA ever stating that they would like to banish 18 wheel rigs in favor of a plethora of box vans, but does it make sense to have 2 guys running out of the 2 million dollar rig ? or in Yamaha's case last year, no one ?Look where that logic put them. Now no factory Yamaha team ,just satellite/support teams. You will see the the other OEM's follow suit shortly. So maybe having a more cost-effective "pit presence" isn't so old school.

5.) Also, someone (not you ,Born Lil Slow) questioned if Jody truly was ever a Pro. Jody WAS a factory Hodaka rider back in the 70's , with Tommy Croft, I believe

So anyway, in conclusion, is MXA a perfect publication ? No ,far from it, however, these guys drink it ,eat it , sleep it ,dream it and live it as passionately now as they did 35 years ago, and report it as they see it. And for that , I applaud them.


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Stop off at Walmart/Barnes and Noble/wherever and in 5 minutes you can pick up all the important information. Replace copy on shelf and walk away with a smile knowing that you didn't have to pay for information/deal with Jody/read opinion. Until they write content that takes longer than the 5 minute stroller test.....job done.
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Wow , there is so many inaccuracies in this post that I don't know where to begin. But, I'll try. First off ,the MXA staff have...
Wow , there is so many inaccuracies in this post that I don't know where to begin. But, I'll try.

First off ,the MXA staff have explained( many times) why,on occasion, there are no bylines on a particular article. If you research this ,you can find the answer.

2.) MXA had no problem calling out the AMA , and in particular Steve Whitelock ,on what most felt were legitimate problems with the way the Nationals were run, and they most certainly DID offer suggestions on what they felt would be improvements, most of which have been implemented, coincindentally.

3.) Professional MX tracks should on be groomed to perfection only once ,before any racing starts. The only other time is to repair a dangerous section and maybe the start area. That part even most of the racers agree on.

4.)Some of your observations are based on comments that are taken out of context. ex.) Jody has never said that "all" riders are overpaid, but he has suggested that people who "race" for a living should put forth the effort to actually win a race now and then. Finishing inside the top 10 seems to be satisfactory for some guys that are being paid 7 figures. Another one- Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing.And that entire staff races multiple times per week. That doesn't mean that they don't go to the SX or Nationals, I have personally seen at least one MXA staffer at every AMA Pro race I've attended during the last 5 years (about 50)

4.)Although I do not recall MXA ever stating that they would like to banish 18 wheel rigs in favor of a plethora of box vans, but does it make sense to have 2 guys running out of the 2 million dollar rig ? or in Yamaha's case last year, no one ?Look where that logic put them. Now no factory Yamaha team ,just satellite/support teams. You will see the the other OEM's follow suit shortly. So maybe having a more cost-effective "pit presence" isn't so old school.

5.) Also, someone (not you ,Born Lil Slow) questioned if Jody truly was ever a Pro. Jody WAS a factory Hodaka rider back in the 70's , with Tommy Croft, I believe

So anyway, in conclusion, is MXA a perfect publication ? No ,far from it, however, these guys drink it ,eat it , sleep it ,dream it and live it as passionately now as they did 35 years ago, and report it as they see it. And for that , I applaud them.


A person can race every day and still be an asshole.
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11/9/2009 3:45pm
I've re-read my post a couple of times ,and can't find where I said that" if you race every day, you will not and can not ever be an asshole ". In fact I may have addressed that issue when I stated that MXA is not the perfect publication. However, apparently you're missing my point. None of the info in BornLilSlow's post was very accurate and as an avid reader of MXA for 35 years ( and also RacerX and TWMX) I felt the urge to defend old friends. Its ok to bitch and complain ,but do it with accurate statements and research
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11/9/2009 3:49pm
DAG wrote:
Stop off at Walmart/Barnes and Noble/wherever and in 5 minutes you can pick up all the important information. Replace copy on shelf and walk away with...
Stop off at Walmart/Barnes and Noble/wherever and in 5 minutes you can pick up all the important information. Replace copy on shelf and walk away with a smile knowing that you didn't have to pay for information/deal with Jody/read opinion. Until they write content that takes longer than the 5 minute stroller test.....job done.
The only MX magazines WalMart carries locally here is Dirt Rider and TWMX.
And at some of the Supercenters, no MX magazines at all.
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The most Grendel sounding non-Grendel post ever. Not sure about the sentiment but the vocabulary is spot on.
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11/9/2009 4:20pm
I liked his 2-stroke manifesto !

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11/9/2009 5:09pm
Lighten up Francis. Its just a goddamned magazine.
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11/9/2009 5:49pm
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You have it backwards J. Lawrence and J. Hansen are the ass clowns
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"Jody has never said that "all" riders are overpaid, but he has suggested that people who "race" for a living should put forth the effort to actually win a race now and then. Finishing inside the top 10 seems to be satisfactory for some guys that are being paid 7 figures."

wow, find a sport where the top ten wins occasionally. They are humans, just because a team wants to pay them a lot of money, doesn´t mean they don´t out down the work. Jody seems to think everyone on a pro level can win, which makes me questiion why he was never a champ. After all he rode for a factory team. Didn´t he put down the work either?

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11/9/2009 6:51pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 6:52pm
pick 20 people you know that arent your riding buddies and ask those 20 people who Ricky Carmicheal is, or James Stewart, or Chad Reed.... they wont have a clue. Hell, pick 100, same criteria.

Do Magoo and Hannah count?.... :0)
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11/9/2009 7:07pm
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I have watched for the past few years as most of you have thrown MXA COMPLETELY under the bus, while I sat quietly not saying a...
I have watched for the past few years as most of you have thrown MXA COMPLETELY under the bus, while I sat quietly not saying a word because of my position in the industry (plus I like Basher - and Jimmy Mac for that matter but he’s no longer there).

Well no more. Like most of you, I absolutely worshiped MXA as a kid, but they have just gone down hill at such an alarming rate, it’s pathetic.

I just got my December issue (that little kid in me was still somewhat excited to see it in my mail box) and I am now 32 pages in (12 actually if you don’t count the ads) and I am DONE.

Here’s what I’ve gotten so far (and I seriously wish I could get back the last 15 minutes of my life I just lost!):

Jody’s Vanity Box – Uhhhhh, Jody, I’m sorry that you had to eat raviolis from a hub cap and live in hotel Dodge. The sport has evolved for the better, deal with it. Your bitter cynicism is getting old (actually it’s beyond old). Here’s an idea: try being happy that our riders are actually being paid well for risking their necks every week. I’m quite certain that if you were still racing pro and someone offered you a multi-million dollar contract you would take it in a heart beat and fly to the races with your buddies on your private jet (you do like to fly, right?). Sorry you were born in 1922.

Whoever gave the over analyzed riding critique of Davi Millsaps (page 16) is a just a tad out of touch. First of all, I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that picture is from Budds Creek (it might be Millville actually), and if so it’s a good bet that’s the moto that Davi went on to win. You might want to consider actually RIDING at some of these tracks and knowing the texture of the soil before critiquing one of the top pros in the world. I’d say Davi had it under control, but I'm sure he appreciates the riding tip. For that matter, perhaps the most important question I think all of us have is this: Don’t you actually have to GO to a few races (you know, the other 25 races outside of So-Cal) to know something about the sport, and subsequently report on in a magazine called “Motocross Action”? Please do us all a favor and re-name your rag “So-Cal Motocross Action” (that way the REM reports that nobody but you care about will have more relevance).

The picture of Thorpe flat out at Namur (page 18, bitchin shot by the way, I’ll give you that): Did you actually talk to David that day (I know that you USED to go to every single race, at least that’s what you tell us. But let’s be honest, how would we know?) and ask him if he thought that straight away of pavement was fun? How do you know that he (and the other riders) didn’t absolutely HATE it?!?!? Here’s a tip Genius: Dave is “just twisting the throttle and tucking it in” because he’s in the middle of a friggin’ race!! I’m pretty sure if you put a similar section of pavement at Glen Helen (which would be almost as brilliant as putting a Monster scaffolding on the LANDING of a huge down hill triple jump......you really out did yourself on that one) the riders would indeed probably bitch and moan (like I’m sure many did every time they had to race that insane track at Namur once a year), but I’m also pretty sure that the leaders, like it or not, would “twist the throttle and tuck it”. Your CONSTANT correlation to the riders today being pussies because they make more money is SO worn out (see ravioli reference).

Lastly (and this one really takes the cake), if you or someone on your staff is going to do your own national numbers list (and take yet another pot shot at the AMA in the process) AT LEAST DO IT RIGHT! Any friggin’ 10-year old with a calculator and the Internet can figure it out better than you did. For Christ’s sake! Here are the web sites with the points:

http://www.allisports.com/Motocross-Archive-Results

http://www.amasupercross.com/results/index.aspx

Now.......stay with me here: 1+2=3 (E.G. Chad Reed earned 373 in SX and 481 points in MX, equaling 854 total, NOT 832).

Let’s try another one (I know it’s getting complicated, sorry): Tommy Hahn earned 67 points in SX and 302 in MX equaling 369 total, NOT 323 (it also put him 11th overall, NOT 15th by the way).

The list is littered with mistake after mistake! Some guys you actually gave EXTRA points to (and no they didn’t earn them in 250 SX)!! I truly feel sorry for those people out there who are so disconnected from the sport that they will still take your word as the gospel.

Especially coming from an Elitist who loves to boost his own ego by using otherwise meaningless words in regular dialog just to make other people feel ignorant. I understand that your vast intellect dwarfs the rest of us commoners, but let’s try to remember who you’re talking to here: we’re dumb Motocrossers who were all spoiled home schooled little brats, remember?

Paul
Paul? Is that you? Whats up buddy? Its Adam here in Barbados, never thought i would run into you on this forum man, hope all is well and i agree with you!
11/9/2009 10:17pm
MXA literally represents all that is wrong with this sport when they make any comment on racing and overseeing of the racing. why? Because they are...
MXA literally represents all that is wrong with this sport when they make any comment on racing and overseeing of the racing.

why?

Because they are stuck in nostalgia. What is nstalgia? 2 : a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition.

And what goes hand in hand with nostalgia? You forget or ignore all the bad, and only focus on the best parts and think it should always be that way, often to the point you stagnate, become closed minded, and eventually self destructive....... where MXA is today.

First off, as a group, they have to be some of the most chicken shitted people I have seen working for a publication. Majority of their articles have no author listed. So lets be clear, you want to hose and slam, but dont want your name put to it.... I think this one is very self explainitory and evident often in MXA.

Next, they offer critism on every single thing you can think of thats "not like it used to be" but do not offer ANYTHING to advance things, just put everything back to how it was, because it was so great "way back when"..... if it was so eff'ing great, why was it a hugely niche sport that was obscure to say the least? You think MX/SX is huge? To us it is the world. You go ask anyone thats not into our sport, they have no idea, and they outnumber us a 1000:1, actually, about 100,000 to 1...... pick 20 people you know that arent your riding buddies and ask those 20 people who Ricky Carmicheal is, or James Stewart, or Chad Reed.... they wont have a clue. Hell, pick 100, same criteria... same deal. Our sport is very small, and for it to become "un-small" to has to grow, you dont grow by maintaining the status quo so decades.

Then we have the best. Motocross Action, the publication that doesnt attend races. Why? Well to hear Jody say it, and Basher isnt much better but at least he signs his name to his column, they arent worth going to because of saturdays, side numbers, SX only contracts, the riders are shit, the bikes are shit AND way to much for a track.... but never forget "real" men ride 500's.... pick anything. Best part, I bet money they watch the nats on tv every week, well, wait, no, they wouldnt do that because its not how things used to be and anything new is complete bullshit. \

So, lets sum up, call me wrong if you can. According to MXA/jody:
same day coverage on network TV is a bad thing and must go
all the riders are over paid and under perform, translation, 2nd or 3rd they should be fired
and long the same vein, the riders should go back to being basically endentured servants that made no money
live network coverage is a bad thing, gotta go back to how things where, none
bikes are too much for the tracks because tracks back in the day didnt deteriorate like they do now, so lets bring back the blown out "real men" tracks.... uhh err... moving on
That 5 or 6 riders should have bikes with motors that RUIN anything else available and get rid of bikes that anyone can pick up and for NO motor money get a holeshot
the trend of putting on a professional pit presence has to go, we have to go back to teams using Rider box vans with mechanics having to drive 12 to 18 hours a day THEN completely rebuild the bike from scratch in 24 hours
and dont forget, 3 or 4 box vans, at 30K a pop, plus gas for them, plus maintenence on them and having to spend that each season and look budget as hell, is WAY better than spending 500k on a semi and getting how many seasons out of the trailor and at least 2 or 4 seaons out of the truck itself plus plus expences is NOT the way to go (dont you hate when reality and a calculator tells the truth and ruins nostalgia?)
and my personal favorite, there hardly isnt a bike made in 30 years that hasnt needed 1 tooth added to the rear sprocket

can you tell I just got back from waking up at 6 am, racing am day at des moines, then driving 553 miles back home, and killing blue monsters to stay alert?
OldPro277 wrote:
Wow , there is so many inaccuracies in this post that I don't know where to begin. But, I'll try. First off ,the MXA staff have...
Wow , there is so many inaccuracies in this post that I don't know where to begin. But, I'll try.

First off ,the MXA staff have explained( many times) why,on occasion, there are no bylines on a particular article. If you research this ,you can find the answer.

2.) MXA had no problem calling out the AMA , and in particular Steve Whitelock ,on what most felt were legitimate problems with the way the Nationals were run, and they most certainly DID offer suggestions on what they felt would be improvements, most of which have been implemented, coincindentally.

3.) Professional MX tracks should on be groomed to perfection only once ,before any racing starts. The only other time is to repair a dangerous section and maybe the start area. That part even most of the racers agree on.

4.)Some of your observations are based on comments that are taken out of context. ex.) Jody has never said that "all" riders are overpaid, but he has suggested that people who "race" for a living should put forth the effort to actually win a race now and then. Finishing inside the top 10 seems to be satisfactory for some guys that are being paid 7 figures. Another one- Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing.And that entire staff races multiple times per week. That doesn't mean that they don't go to the SX or Nationals, I have personally seen at least one MXA staffer at every AMA Pro race I've attended during the last 5 years (about 50)

4.)Although I do not recall MXA ever stating that they would like to banish 18 wheel rigs in favor of a plethora of box vans, but does it make sense to have 2 guys running out of the 2 million dollar rig ? or in Yamaha's case last year, no one ?Look where that logic put them. Now no factory Yamaha team ,just satellite/support teams. You will see the the other OEM's follow suit shortly. So maybe having a more cost-effective "pit presence" isn't so old school.

5.) Also, someone (not you ,Born Lil Slow) questioned if Jody truly was ever a Pro. Jody WAS a factory Hodaka rider back in the 70's , with Tommy Croft, I believe

So anyway, in conclusion, is MXA a perfect publication ? No ,far from it, however, these guys drink it ,eat it , sleep it ,dream it and live it as passionately now as they did 35 years ago, and report it as they see it. And for that , I applaud them.


lets check your post.

1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting in a byline. So how was I inaccurate?

2.) You're going to have to help me here. You type a response pointing out what I said as incorrect by saying almost exactly what I said. Show me where I said MXA didnt gripe about the AMA or Whitlock. They did. What did they offer as printed in thier publication? It has consistently been "take things back to the way they were" and things were NOT great back then! The current MXA push is for a grand national champ. Ok. I dont think its a bad idea... go look at first post in this thread, now explain to us how MXA is qualified to handle ANYTHING when they cant even add 2 numbers together correctly? Translation, its griping for the sake of griping. No actual effort expended to do it factually. They think, lets beliggerently gripe because we know what people need and noone but us is qualified to make that decision.... and cant even support thier own cause correctly by adding 2 numbers together.

3.) im not sure what you are trying to point out but its obvious sarcasm is lost on you. You state I am incorrect when I pointed out that MXA was one of the first to complain and grief about tracks breaking down due to the 450f's. Then when they go into "way back when mode" a tough, brutal, broken down track was what real mean raced on. I am betting you still dont catch the irony. Here, I will try 1 more. REAL men back in the day raced 500cc 2 strokes according to MXA, everyone today is a non-trying, over paid pussy because they race 450f's that are faster then 500cc 2 strokes. 450cc vs 500cc do you get it now? Anyone today, anything today, is an obscene disgrace to MX, but back in the day real men rode on the exact same things and are gods... open class motorcycles on rough and brutal tracks...... im betting you still dont get it.

4.) Since you are a 35 year reader of MXA, I would like to call your attention to the November 2009 issue and Jody's Box, particulary the next to last paragraph. He clearly states riders, plural. hell, the beginning of the paragraph confirms my statement of MXA thinks everything should go back to the way it was!!! So, you think they are right that these guys risking life and limb should go back to how things where and do it for an obscenely low money amount. Interesting. Then, you say I am incorrect about my statement in retort to Jody's column about box van vs semis. Again, goto the issue in question and then lets get Matthes in here. Ask him about box vans, mechanics literally driving 1800 miles in 3 days, which is illegal, dangerous, and irresponsible, to then have to totally rebuild the bike and put in 2 18 hour days at a nat. The mechanics life got easier, and thats wrong according to Jody. Also, what kind of rig are you buying for 2 million!?! Tractors to pull the trailor, about 500~700k. Trailor maxed out, about 300k. But you get use of that setup for how many years? Vs box vans that are used up after 1 year, then temper all of that with presentation that Basher demands all spectators should be allowed in to see. Along that line, spectators should WANT to see 30 box vans lined up looking like a Rider convention, not a rig with canopy, professional workspace, appearance, and quality image and presense. Keep everything for just the hardcore fans, you get a sport that doesnt grow, fact. Also, the name of the magazine is MotoCross Action... again you point out I am correct when you try to point out I am wrong! Your words... "Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing". Then who the hell is he to offer any insight on how to improve things if he obviously doesnt care to watch? 1980 called, you COULDNT watch a race unless you where there live... yes, we should go back to that. Show me 1 STAFFER, not contributor, STAFFER of MXA that is at every race for the last 15 years.Page 9 is the list of MXA staffer. Who is it?

5.) Your statement, to me, is very telling. He WAS a pro rider.... back in the 70's. this is 2010, FORTY, 40... 4...0... years later, Jody is stuck back in quote "the romance" of the sport, and thats a quote from Jody's Box nov 09 issue... As I pointed out, and you claim I am incorrect about, the nostalgia of the sport.

I will throw in a 6.)

They are passoinate... 35 years passionate... about seeing the sport, as they see it, based on nostaglia from 35 years ago. They dont remember or acknowledge the bad parts, which where major. They just remember the carefree life "way back when" when THEY were racers chasing the dream, making NO money to do it, living like a hobo, and risking life and limb for no return, and want it that way today. No insight on how to get things better, just put it back to how it was for me because that is what its all about! Bullshit! According to Jody, riders should do things for the love of it and not as a career. No insight on how to make the sport grow and make it better for all involved, riders, mechanics, industry, or fans! Are you really going to sit there and say things today arent better for you the spectator and fan? Are you really going to say that a mechanic NOT having to work 18 hours days for months without pause for little or no money is a bad thing?

MXA and their articles, reflect exactly who they are.... people every one of us knows. Old men that sit around and explain how bad things are now because back in their day, they walked uphill, both ways, in a snow storm, and they were thankful to do it and everyone today is horrible because they have enough sense to figure out how to ride instead of walk, and turn on the damn heat so the snow doesnt freeze them and be happy. And they are worthless punks for doing it right?
11/9/2009 10:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 6:52pm
Sunhouse wrote:
"Jody has never said that "all" riders are overpaid, but he has suggested that people who "race" for a living should put forth the effort to...
"Jody has never said that "all" riders are overpaid, but he has suggested that people who "race" for a living should put forth the effort to actually win a race now and then. Finishing inside the top 10 seems to be satisfactory for some guys that are being paid 7 figures."

wow, find a sport where the top ten wins occasionally. They are humans, just because a team wants to pay them a lot of money, doesn´t mean they don´t out down the work. Jody seems to think everyone on a pro level can win, which makes me questiion why he was never a champ. After all he rode for a factory team. Didn´t he put down the work either?

exactly

or is it hes bitter about being a pro in a time when it meant squat and he didnt make dick-all for money when he was doing it so everyone now is worthless?

guys, things change and progress. The riders are in better shape overall today as a group, they are able to compete longer, they can make a living and not eat ravioli out of a hub cap.... and we should stop all of that to fix our sport.... fix it so everyone gets what jody got for risking his life.... nothing but bitterness and resentment for the next generation of racer if they dare to do it differently.
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11/9/2009 10:44pm
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Too damn funny.................
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11/10/2009 4:49am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 6:52pm
lets check your post. 1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting...
lets check your post.

1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting in a byline. So how was I inaccurate?

2.) You're going to have to help me here. You type a response pointing out what I said as incorrect by saying almost exactly what I said. Show me where I said MXA didnt gripe about the AMA or Whitlock. They did. What did they offer as printed in thier publication? It has consistently been "take things back to the way they were" and things were NOT great back then! The current MXA push is for a grand national champ. Ok. I dont think its a bad idea... go look at first post in this thread, now explain to us how MXA is qualified to handle ANYTHING when they cant even add 2 numbers together correctly? Translation, its griping for the sake of griping. No actual effort expended to do it factually. They think, lets beliggerently gripe because we know what people need and noone but us is qualified to make that decision.... and cant even support thier own cause correctly by adding 2 numbers together.

3.) im not sure what you are trying to point out but its obvious sarcasm is lost on you. You state I am incorrect when I pointed out that MXA was one of the first to complain and grief about tracks breaking down due to the 450f's. Then when they go into "way back when mode" a tough, brutal, broken down track was what real mean raced on. I am betting you still dont catch the irony. Here, I will try 1 more. REAL men back in the day raced 500cc 2 strokes according to MXA, everyone today is a non-trying, over paid pussy because they race 450f's that are faster then 500cc 2 strokes. 450cc vs 500cc do you get it now? Anyone today, anything today, is an obscene disgrace to MX, but back in the day real men rode on the exact same things and are gods... open class motorcycles on rough and brutal tracks...... im betting you still dont get it.

4.) Since you are a 35 year reader of MXA, I would like to call your attention to the November 2009 issue and Jody's Box, particulary the next to last paragraph. He clearly states riders, plural. hell, the beginning of the paragraph confirms my statement of MXA thinks everything should go back to the way it was!!! So, you think they are right that these guys risking life and limb should go back to how things where and do it for an obscenely low money amount. Interesting. Then, you say I am incorrect about my statement in retort to Jody's column about box van vs semis. Again, goto the issue in question and then lets get Matthes in here. Ask him about box vans, mechanics literally driving 1800 miles in 3 days, which is illegal, dangerous, and irresponsible, to then have to totally rebuild the bike and put in 2 18 hour days at a nat. The mechanics life got easier, and thats wrong according to Jody. Also, what kind of rig are you buying for 2 million!?! Tractors to pull the trailor, about 500~700k. Trailor maxed out, about 300k. But you get use of that setup for how many years? Vs box vans that are used up after 1 year, then temper all of that with presentation that Basher demands all spectators should be allowed in to see. Along that line, spectators should WANT to see 30 box vans lined up looking like a Rider convention, not a rig with canopy, professional workspace, appearance, and quality image and presense. Keep everything for just the hardcore fans, you get a sport that doesnt grow, fact. Also, the name of the magazine is MotoCross Action... again you point out I am correct when you try to point out I am wrong! Your words... "Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing". Then who the hell is he to offer any insight on how to improve things if he obviously doesnt care to watch? 1980 called, you COULDNT watch a race unless you where there live... yes, we should go back to that. Show me 1 STAFFER, not contributor, STAFFER of MXA that is at every race for the last 15 years.Page 9 is the list of MXA staffer. Who is it?

5.) Your statement, to me, is very telling. He WAS a pro rider.... back in the 70's. this is 2010, FORTY, 40... 4...0... years later, Jody is stuck back in quote "the romance" of the sport, and thats a quote from Jody's Box nov 09 issue... As I pointed out, and you claim I am incorrect about, the nostalgia of the sport.

I will throw in a 6.)

They are passoinate... 35 years passionate... about seeing the sport, as they see it, based on nostaglia from 35 years ago. They dont remember or acknowledge the bad parts, which where major. They just remember the carefree life "way back when" when THEY were racers chasing the dream, making NO money to do it, living like a hobo, and risking life and limb for no return, and want it that way today. No insight on how to get things better, just put it back to how it was for me because that is what its all about! Bullshit! According to Jody, riders should do things for the love of it and not as a career. No insight on how to make the sport grow and make it better for all involved, riders, mechanics, industry, or fans! Are you really going to sit there and say things today arent better for you the spectator and fan? Are you really going to say that a mechanic NOT having to work 18 hours days for months without pause for little or no money is a bad thing?

MXA and their articles, reflect exactly who they are.... people every one of us knows. Old men that sit around and explain how bad things are now because back in their day, they walked uphill, both ways, in a snow storm, and they were thankful to do it and everyone today is horrible because they have enough sense to figure out how to ride instead of walk, and turn on the damn heat so the snow doesnt freeze them and be happy. And they are worthless punks for doing it right?
1) MXA has pointed out on several occasions that ALL of the staff writes all of the bike tests. Why should they put everyones name on the article when it has been explained they are all responsible for it?
2) Yes they have ripped on the AMA for years and rightfully so. Also they said on every occasion I can think of that Steve Whitelock is a good guy and his hands were tied. I think you are a little too hung up on the mathematical or print error. I am sure a retraction will be in the next issue with the appropriate numbers. Provided someone points it out to them. Also, they love the old days but are the first ones to tell you that it was not all peaches and cream. SOME of the old ways they would like to see come back but not all. If you have read MXA and actually paid attention instead of focusing on the negative you would know this.
3) MXA have stated repeatedly the irony in the fact that 450's are really the open class that everyone complained about the bikes being too powerful for years about. Their "real men" comments have more to do with 45 min motos and rough tracks. Again if you paid attention you would know this.
4) Are we to assume you are a complete moron and everything you post is wrong because you don't know how much a semi truck costs? "Tractors to pull the trailor, about 500~700k. " Those are pretty much standard trucks. You can purchase them with big power and all of the ammenities for about $160,000 to &175,000 depending on the brand. You can buy a decked out truck with an extra large sleeper birth on it (say 156" as opposed to the standard 73" to 80") for about $250,000.
5) Jody and the rest of the crew are not stuck in the "romance" of the past. They remember the old days fondly but are quick to point out that they don't want to go back. That they have been around since the beginning makes them uniquely qualified to give perspective about the whole gammut of our sport.
6) Well I think it's been addressed already.
The point is that MXA is just a magazine produced by humans who make mistakes and have opinions. If those opinions differ from yours that's okay. They differ from mine on occasion too. Pull your head out of your vagina and quit yer whining.
BTW I like racer x for the personalities and race reports and MXA for the tests and the perspective articles and subscribe to both. I also like the fact that MXA has the coffee table policy. I sometimes pull pictures out of my racer x before giving it to my boys (4 and 2) but I can hand them the MXA the way it is.
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11/10/2009 5:01am
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They're like the Simon Cowell of MX.
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11/10/2009 5:37am
lets check your post. 1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting...
lets check your post.

1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting in a byline. So how was I inaccurate?

2.) You're going to have to help me here. You type a response pointing out what I said as incorrect by saying almost exactly what I said. Show me where I said MXA didnt gripe about the AMA or Whitlock. They did. What did they offer as printed in thier publication? It has consistently been "take things back to the way they were" and things were NOT great back then! The current MXA push is for a grand national champ. Ok. I dont think its a bad idea... go look at first post in this thread, now explain to us how MXA is qualified to handle ANYTHING when they cant even add 2 numbers together correctly? Translation, its griping for the sake of griping. No actual effort expended to do it factually. They think, lets beliggerently gripe because we know what people need and noone but us is qualified to make that decision.... and cant even support thier own cause correctly by adding 2 numbers together.

3.) im not sure what you are trying to point out but its obvious sarcasm is lost on you. You state I am incorrect when I pointed out that MXA was one of the first to complain and grief about tracks breaking down due to the 450f's. Then when they go into "way back when mode" a tough, brutal, broken down track was what real mean raced on. I am betting you still dont catch the irony. Here, I will try 1 more. REAL men back in the day raced 500cc 2 strokes according to MXA, everyone today is a non-trying, over paid pussy because they race 450f's that are faster then 500cc 2 strokes. 450cc vs 500cc do you get it now? Anyone today, anything today, is an obscene disgrace to MX, but back in the day real men rode on the exact same things and are gods... open class motorcycles on rough and brutal tracks...... im betting you still dont get it.

4.) Since you are a 35 year reader of MXA, I would like to call your attention to the November 2009 issue and Jody's Box, particulary the next to last paragraph. He clearly states riders, plural. hell, the beginning of the paragraph confirms my statement of MXA thinks everything should go back to the way it was!!! So, you think they are right that these guys risking life and limb should go back to how things where and do it for an obscenely low money amount. Interesting. Then, you say I am incorrect about my statement in retort to Jody's column about box van vs semis. Again, goto the issue in question and then lets get Matthes in here. Ask him about box vans, mechanics literally driving 1800 miles in 3 days, which is illegal, dangerous, and irresponsible, to then have to totally rebuild the bike and put in 2 18 hour days at a nat. The mechanics life got easier, and thats wrong according to Jody. Also, what kind of rig are you buying for 2 million!?! Tractors to pull the trailor, about 500~700k. Trailor maxed out, about 300k. But you get use of that setup for how many years? Vs box vans that are used up after 1 year, then temper all of that with presentation that Basher demands all spectators should be allowed in to see. Along that line, spectators should WANT to see 30 box vans lined up looking like a Rider convention, not a rig with canopy, professional workspace, appearance, and quality image and presense. Keep everything for just the hardcore fans, you get a sport that doesnt grow, fact. Also, the name of the magazine is MotoCross Action... again you point out I am correct when you try to point out I am wrong! Your words... "Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing". Then who the hell is he to offer any insight on how to improve things if he obviously doesnt care to watch? 1980 called, you COULDNT watch a race unless you where there live... yes, we should go back to that. Show me 1 STAFFER, not contributor, STAFFER of MXA that is at every race for the last 15 years.Page 9 is the list of MXA staffer. Who is it?

5.) Your statement, to me, is very telling. He WAS a pro rider.... back in the 70's. this is 2010, FORTY, 40... 4...0... years later, Jody is stuck back in quote "the romance" of the sport, and thats a quote from Jody's Box nov 09 issue... As I pointed out, and you claim I am incorrect about, the nostalgia of the sport.

I will throw in a 6.)

They are passoinate... 35 years passionate... about seeing the sport, as they see it, based on nostaglia from 35 years ago. They dont remember or acknowledge the bad parts, which where major. They just remember the carefree life "way back when" when THEY were racers chasing the dream, making NO money to do it, living like a hobo, and risking life and limb for no return, and want it that way today. No insight on how to get things better, just put it back to how it was for me because that is what its all about! Bullshit! According to Jody, riders should do things for the love of it and not as a career. No insight on how to make the sport grow and make it better for all involved, riders, mechanics, industry, or fans! Are you really going to sit there and say things today arent better for you the spectator and fan? Are you really going to say that a mechanic NOT having to work 18 hours days for months without pause for little or no money is a bad thing?

MXA and their articles, reflect exactly who they are.... people every one of us knows. Old men that sit around and explain how bad things are now because back in their day, they walked uphill, both ways, in a snow storm, and they were thankful to do it and everyone today is horrible because they have enough sense to figure out how to ride instead of walk, and turn on the damn heat so the snow doesnt freeze them and be happy. And they are worthless punks for doing it right?
Kinetic1 wrote:
1) MXA has pointed out on several occasions that ALL of the staff writes all of the bike tests. Why should they put everyones name on...
1) MXA has pointed out on several occasions that ALL of the staff writes all of the bike tests. Why should they put everyones name on the article when it has been explained they are all responsible for it?
2) Yes they have ripped on the AMA for years and rightfully so. Also they said on every occasion I can think of that Steve Whitelock is a good guy and his hands were tied. I think you are a little too hung up on the mathematical or print error. I am sure a retraction will be in the next issue with the appropriate numbers. Provided someone points it out to them. Also, they love the old days but are the first ones to tell you that it was not all peaches and cream. SOME of the old ways they would like to see come back but not all. If you have read MXA and actually paid attention instead of focusing on the negative you would know this.
3) MXA have stated repeatedly the irony in the fact that 450's are really the open class that everyone complained about the bikes being too powerful for years about. Their "real men" comments have more to do with 45 min motos and rough tracks. Again if you paid attention you would know this.
4) Are we to assume you are a complete moron and everything you post is wrong because you don't know how much a semi truck costs? "Tractors to pull the trailor, about 500~700k. " Those are pretty much standard trucks. You can purchase them with big power and all of the ammenities for about $160,000 to &175,000 depending on the brand. You can buy a decked out truck with an extra large sleeper birth on it (say 156" as opposed to the standard 73" to 80") for about $250,000.
5) Jody and the rest of the crew are not stuck in the "romance" of the past. They remember the old days fondly but are quick to point out that they don't want to go back. That they have been around since the beginning makes them uniquely qualified to give perspective about the whole gammut of our sport.
6) Well I think it's been addressed already.
The point is that MXA is just a magazine produced by humans who make mistakes and have opinions. If those opinions differ from yours that's okay. They differ from mine on occasion too. Pull your head out of your vagina and quit yer whining.
BTW I like racer x for the personalities and race reports and MXA for the tests and the perspective articles and subscribe to both. I also like the fact that MXA has the coffee table policy. I sometimes pull pictures out of my racer x before giving it to my boys (4 and 2) but I can hand them the MXA the way it is.
Good point. Maybe MXA is for us older guys, who knows. All I know is that now that I'm in my 40's MXA does take me back to a happy time in life, when I was young. I remember waitin' for the new MXA to hit the coffee table so that we could all take our turn at reading jodys box. Not always but usually Jodys box brought a smile at least to our faces. RacerX is great and so is MXA, but if you don't like something about either one, thats OK also. Just don't get your shit in a knot about stuff. If you really want to bitch about something, how 'bout talking about the alarming amount of broken back's and neck's that are occuring in our great sport, and what should be done about this very real problem. Is it the bikes ? Is it the tracks ? Or a little of both. Jody's old, lol but don't hang him for it. Just my thoughts is all. Now let me finish my prune juice.
11/10/2009 6:27am
lets check your post. 1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting...
lets check your post.

1.) You just, literally, said exactly what I said, called it in accurate, then tried to justify MXA's stance on not putting in a byline. So how was I inaccurate?

2.) You're going to have to help me here. You type a response pointing out what I said as incorrect by saying almost exactly what I said. Show me where I said MXA didnt gripe about the AMA or Whitlock. They did. What did they offer as printed in thier publication? It has consistently been "take things back to the way they were" and things were NOT great back then! The current MXA push is for a grand national champ. Ok. I dont think its a bad idea... go look at first post in this thread, now explain to us how MXA is qualified to handle ANYTHING when they cant even add 2 numbers together correctly? Translation, its griping for the sake of griping. No actual effort expended to do it factually. They think, lets beliggerently gripe because we know what people need and noone but us is qualified to make that decision.... and cant even support thier own cause correctly by adding 2 numbers together.

3.) im not sure what you are trying to point out but its obvious sarcasm is lost on you. You state I am incorrect when I pointed out that MXA was one of the first to complain and grief about tracks breaking down due to the 450f's. Then when they go into "way back when mode" a tough, brutal, broken down track was what real mean raced on. I am betting you still dont catch the irony. Here, I will try 1 more. REAL men back in the day raced 500cc 2 strokes according to MXA, everyone today is a non-trying, over paid pussy because they race 450f's that are faster then 500cc 2 strokes. 450cc vs 500cc do you get it now? Anyone today, anything today, is an obscene disgrace to MX, but back in the day real men rode on the exact same things and are gods... open class motorcycles on rough and brutal tracks...... im betting you still dont get it.

4.) Since you are a 35 year reader of MXA, I would like to call your attention to the November 2009 issue and Jody's Box, particulary the next to last paragraph. He clearly states riders, plural. hell, the beginning of the paragraph confirms my statement of MXA thinks everything should go back to the way it was!!! So, you think they are right that these guys risking life and limb should go back to how things where and do it for an obscenely low money amount. Interesting. Then, you say I am incorrect about my statement in retort to Jody's column about box van vs semis. Again, goto the issue in question and then lets get Matthes in here. Ask him about box vans, mechanics literally driving 1800 miles in 3 days, which is illegal, dangerous, and irresponsible, to then have to totally rebuild the bike and put in 2 18 hour days at a nat. The mechanics life got easier, and thats wrong according to Jody. Also, what kind of rig are you buying for 2 million!?! Tractors to pull the trailor, about 500~700k. Trailor maxed out, about 300k. But you get use of that setup for how many years? Vs box vans that are used up after 1 year, then temper all of that with presentation that Basher demands all spectators should be allowed in to see. Along that line, spectators should WANT to see 30 box vans lined up looking like a Rider convention, not a rig with canopy, professional workspace, appearance, and quality image and presense. Keep everything for just the hardcore fans, you get a sport that doesnt grow, fact. Also, the name of the magazine is MotoCross Action... again you point out I am correct when you try to point out I am wrong! Your words... "Jody said on more than one occasion that he would much rather BE racing than WATCH racing". Then who the hell is he to offer any insight on how to improve things if he obviously doesnt care to watch? 1980 called, you COULDNT watch a race unless you where there live... yes, we should go back to that. Show me 1 STAFFER, not contributor, STAFFER of MXA that is at every race for the last 15 years.Page 9 is the list of MXA staffer. Who is it?

5.) Your statement, to me, is very telling. He WAS a pro rider.... back in the 70's. this is 2010, FORTY, 40... 4...0... years later, Jody is stuck back in quote "the romance" of the sport, and thats a quote from Jody's Box nov 09 issue... As I pointed out, and you claim I am incorrect about, the nostalgia of the sport.

I will throw in a 6.)

They are passoinate... 35 years passionate... about seeing the sport, as they see it, based on nostaglia from 35 years ago. They dont remember or acknowledge the bad parts, which where major. They just remember the carefree life "way back when" when THEY were racers chasing the dream, making NO money to do it, living like a hobo, and risking life and limb for no return, and want it that way today. No insight on how to get things better, just put it back to how it was for me because that is what its all about! Bullshit! According to Jody, riders should do things for the love of it and not as a career. No insight on how to make the sport grow and make it better for all involved, riders, mechanics, industry, or fans! Are you really going to sit there and say things today arent better for you the spectator and fan? Are you really going to say that a mechanic NOT having to work 18 hours days for months without pause for little or no money is a bad thing?

MXA and their articles, reflect exactly who they are.... people every one of us knows. Old men that sit around and explain how bad things are now because back in their day, they walked uphill, both ways, in a snow storm, and they were thankful to do it and everyone today is horrible because they have enough sense to figure out how to ride instead of walk, and turn on the damn heat so the snow doesnt freeze them and be happy. And they are worthless punks for doing it right?
Awesome. +1

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