Chase vs Jett Outdoors

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5/17/2023 5:16am

Jett's biggest issue with beating Chase indoors or out will be starts. He has improved over the last couple of years, but he hasn't shown the ability to get consistently good starts. The depleted field is certainly going to help though. Even if he gets buried at the start and Chase runs away Jett is probably still going to be able to podium so Chase may have trouble building a big points lead.

Ferrandis turns 29 this year. He is only a year or two younger than the group of 29-31 years olds that are going to retire in the next 2-3 years. His age plus injuries are not a good sign for him being competitive moving forward.

I don't think AC's shoulder is good enough to be competitive for 2 30 minute motos, but I hope I am wrong.

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5/17/2023 5:49am
yz133rider wrote:

Where are all the ap title predictions coming from?

kxking wrote:
This confuses me too. He hasn't even won a 450 race indoors or outdoors yet and people are thinking he will contend for the title? AP...

This confuses me too. He hasn't even won a 450 race indoors or outdoors yet and people are thinking he will contend for the title? AP has 1 race where he should have won and went down. To battle for championships you have to be able to fight forward on a bad start, he hasn't even proven to be able to do that yet. All his podiums have been from top 3 starts or leaders going down. Love the Cowboy, but title contention, I don't see it this year, sorry.

If the field was full, I wouldn’t think AP could contend for #1, but as depleted as it is I think he’s got a wildcard chance of winning.

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Gravel wrote:
That’s some high level fanboy wordsmithing, you used the phrase “manufacturing a load”.. Jett will probably win at least one, but I think Chase, Dylan or...

That’s some high level fanboy wordsmithing, you used the phrase “manufacturing a load”..

Jett will probably win at least one, but I think Chase, Dylan or AP will win the title and fill the podium alongside Jett. 

I’m not fan boying Jett at all. 
 

But I believe he will win the 450s straight up in his first year. 

I’m just playing, your word choice just made me laugh. Figured I’d get a bunch of downvotes, lol!

I won’t be shocked if Jett does really good this year, he’s really talented and the competition is mostly at the doctors office instead of the track for outdoors. I just don’t see him adapting to the faster bike, the brutal schedule and the long races immediately. But I also can’t remember a season so perfectly setup for a fast rookie to win a lot..

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5/17/2023 7:10pm
Gravel wrote:
That’s some high level fanboy wordsmithing, you used the phrase “manufacturing a load”.. Jett will probably win at least one, but I think Chase, Dylan or...

That’s some high level fanboy wordsmithing, you used the phrase “manufacturing a load”..

Jett will probably win at least one, but I think Chase, Dylan or AP will win the title and fill the podium alongside Jett. 

I’m not fan boying Jett at all. 
 

But I believe he will win the 450s straight up in his first year. 

Gravel wrote:
I’m just playing, your word choice just made me laugh. Figured I’d get a bunch of downvotes, lol! I won’t be shocked if Jett does really...

I’m just playing, your word choice just made me laugh. Figured I’d get a bunch of downvotes, lol!

I won’t be shocked if Jett does really good this year, he’s really talented and the competition is mostly at the doctors office instead of the track for outdoors. I just don’t see him adapting to the faster bike, the brutal schedule and the long races immediately. But I also can’t remember a season so perfectly setup for a fast rookie to win a lot..

MXON didnt show he can/has adapted to the faster bike?

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5/18/2023 12:36pm

How do Chase and Jett differ stylistically? It seems there riding style are quite similar.

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5/18/2023 7:47pm
Press516 wrote:

I think Dylan will give them both a run at various tracks too…

dylan is almost the defending champ.....but he has to be under done given his injuries....

 

ala j coop last year....

5/18/2023 7:54pm

Chase has to be the favourite  with Dylan a close second( if he's 100%).

Cannot see Jett NOT finishing top 3 for the series.

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I’m not fan boying Jett at all. 
 

But I believe he will win the 450s straight up in his first year. 

Gravel wrote:
I’m just playing, your word choice just made me laugh. Figured I’d get a bunch of downvotes, lol! I won’t be shocked if Jett does really...

I’m just playing, your word choice just made me laugh. Figured I’d get a bunch of downvotes, lol!

I won’t be shocked if Jett does really good this year, he’s really talented and the competition is mostly at the doctors office instead of the track for outdoors. I just don’t see him adapting to the faster bike, the brutal schedule and the long races immediately. But I also can’t remember a season so perfectly setup for a fast rookie to win a lot..

decano51 wrote:

MXON didnt show he can/has adapted to the faster bike?

He was absolutely great at the MXON, but we need to see how he does week after week when fitness, toughness and fatigue are the main factors. 
 

It’s great to have guys moving up, there wouldn’t be much to talk about if Jett was still in the 250s!

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5/19/2023 7:36am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2023 8:03am

Jett will win the Championship. 

Mick 22 wrote:
Agreed. He is winning from the start of his 450 career. I like Chase, and yes, I'm aware that he battled Eli tooth and nail for...

Agreed. He is winning from the start of his 450 career.

I like Chase, and yes, I'm aware that he battled Eli tooth and nail for the '22 championship, but Jett is a one of a kind that is ready to start manufacturing a load of championships.

Jett only seems fast because look at his competition. No one he's racing has won a title. Except Martin ('14-'15) and Cooper in West SX '21 (not against Jett.) Now he'll get thrown to the lions in the 450 class where ALL his competition is former or current champions. Granted most are injured so, he'll look like he's doing really well even on an off day. Time will tell. But y'all need to chill on him being the next GOAT.

*Hunter was actually faster than Jett most of last years MX season. Hunter was on rails and going to beat him straight up at Millville. Moto 2 he got the holeshot in front of Jett and getting away. Then they had a red flag and did a full restart and Hunter got buried. Jett got the lucky horseshoe holeshot.

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5/19/2023 8:54am

So Jett beating Chase straight up, twice at MXoN his very first race on a 450  doesn't count? (and Eli once but I know he fell)

I don't care what the circumstance, first priority for these guys is beat your team mate (Honda Team mate).  

and after a summer of battling Eli there is no way Chase lays up for a rookie.

This summer will be a repeat of 2022, but with Chase/Jett , not Chase/Eli, and hopefully DF too

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5/19/2023 7:08pm Edited Date/Time 5/19/2023 7:08pm
kxking wrote:
So Jett beating Chase straight up, twice at MXoN his very first race on a 450  doesn't count? (and Eli once but I know he fell)...

So Jett beating Chase straight up, twice at MXoN his very first race on a 450  doesn't count? (and Eli once but I know he fell)

I don't care what the circumstance, first priority for these guys is beat your team mate (Honda Team mate).  

and after a summer of battling Eli there is no way Chase lays up for a rookie.

This summer will be a repeat of 2022, but with Chase/Jett , not Chase/Eli, and hopefully DF too

realistically who else can win 450 outdoors this season besides the three u mentioned?

too many big dogs out of the mix imo.

AP maybe an odd podium and AC perhaps but that will be a stretch....

250 's will be the premier battle for the title this year outside with so much more depth!

 

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5/19/2023 7:42pm
kxking wrote:
So Jett beating Chase straight up, twice at MXoN his very first race on a 450  doesn't count? (and Eli once but I know he fell)...

So Jett beating Chase straight up, twice at MXoN his very first race on a 450  doesn't count? (and Eli once but I know he fell)

I don't care what the circumstance, first priority for these guys is beat your team mate (Honda Team mate).  

and after a summer of battling Eli there is no way Chase lays up for a rookie.

This summer will be a repeat of 2022, but with Chase/Jett , not Chase/Eli, and hopefully DF too

realistically who else can win 450 outdoors this season besides the three u mentioned? too many big dogs out of the mix imo. AP maybe an...

realistically who else can win 450 outdoors this season besides the three u mentioned?

too many big dogs out of the mix imo.

AP maybe an odd podium and AC perhaps but that will be a stretch....

250 's will be the premier battle for the title this year outside with so much more depth!

 

From the issues ac has it sounds like he will struggle more in mx.

Ap should be good.

Barcia wants to race round 1. But I think by round 3-4. He should be on pace.

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5/20/2023 3:53am

Skreech is the favourite but it won’t be easy, he and Tomac shat on everyone last year but Jett and Dylan will make him push!

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5/20/2023 5:21am

Jetts disappointed Tomacs not there, he knows he’s got Sexton covered 

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5/20/2023 5:58am Edited Date/Time 5/20/2023 5:59am

Jett will win the Championship. 

Mick 22 wrote:
Agreed. He is winning from the start of his 450 career. I like Chase, and yes, I'm aware that he battled Eli tooth and nail for...

Agreed. He is winning from the start of his 450 career.

I like Chase, and yes, I'm aware that he battled Eli tooth and nail for the '22 championship, but Jett is a one of a kind that is ready to start manufacturing a load of championships.

Rosso391 wrote:
Jett only seems fast because look at his competition. No one he's racing has won a title. Except Martin ('14-'15) and Cooper in West SX '21...

Jett only seems fast because look at his competition. No one he's racing has won a title. Except Martin ('14-'15) and Cooper in West SX '21 (not against Jett.) Now he'll get thrown to the lions in the 450 class where ALL his competition is former or current champions. Granted most are injured so, he'll look like he's doing really well even on an off day. Time will tell. But y'all need to chill on him being the next GOAT.

*Hunter was actually faster than Jett most of last years MX season. Hunter was on rails and going to beat him straight up at Millville. Moto 2 he got the holeshot in front of Jett and getting away. Then they had a red flag and did a full restart and Hunter got buried. Jett got the lucky horseshoe holeshot.

So the guy who won zero nationals last year and finished third in points was faster most of the year than the champion who dominated with 9 wins? That is some interesting logic. 🤔 

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5/20/2023 12:25pm

I think you should add Dylan Ferrandis to the poll.  He had incredible speed at the 22 MXdN (iirc, the fastest), and that was less than a year ago. If Dylan can stay injury free, he'll be running up front and a title contender, imo.

As for Chase vs Jett, it's hard to say.  I'd probably give the nod to Chase because Chase spent last summer learning a lot from Eli, and it will be Jett's rookie season in the 450 class.  But Jett is one of those riders with that extra something so I would not be surprised if he wins the title.  

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5/20/2023 12:32pm
Stoop wrote:

Jetts disappointed Tomacs not there, he knows he’s got Sexton covered 

Bartender, I’ll have 2 of what this dude is drinking please.. 

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5/20/2023 2:34pm

Jett is on a roll. His mental game is strong. he doesn't make nearly as many unforced errors as Sexton, though Sexton came on strong at the end of SX. Sexton however has the experience running with the big guys. It's going to be good as long as they both stay healthy.

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5/28/2023 3:38pm

Some of these comments didn’t age well 

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Don't think Chase will luck into a championship in the outdoors unless Jett gets hurt 

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