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thorns
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5/7/2023 5:23pm
CPR wrote:

Roczen is now the only rider in the field who’s completed every lap of the 450 mains this season.

 

DownSouth wrote:

I do not recall Sexton DNF'ing any races

Chase got lapped during Kens win (not sure about other races), so perhaps that's what they mean?

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DownSouth
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5/7/2023 5:25pm
CPR wrote:

Roczen is now the only rider in the field who’s completed every lap of the 450 mains this season.

 

DownSouth wrote:

I do not recall Sexton DNF'ing any races

thorns wrote:

Chase got lapped during Kens win (not sure about other races), so perhaps that's what they mean?

Pretty sure Ken was lapped more than once this year as well if that is the point they were trying to make. 

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5/7/2023 6:32pm
Goon645 wrote:
The sport is evolving and the skill/technique and bikes are different now to when you were apparently doing 10ft doubles on your twin shock scramblers. To...

The sport is evolving and the skill/technique and bikes are different now to when you were apparently doing 10ft doubles on your twin shock scramblers. To reduce the difficulty of the tracks will do nothing other than make races boring with less opportunity to make passes - every year injuries happen (both during racing AND on practice tracks) and every year the retirement village cries about it and blames the race tracks only??

Go watch flat track

Yeah...okay spectator.

 

You're not the one who has to live with the injuries/fallout....all for your entertainment. 

 

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5/7/2023 6:35pm
toroP wrote:
You say “look past”, but it’s after Eli’s injury that we’re getting so much of this talk. If Webb and Tomac didn’t have their problems, we...

You say “look past”, but it’s after Eli’s injury that we’re getting so much of this talk. If Webb and Tomac didn’t have their problems, we wouldn’t have this reaction this weekend.

Nope.   

Barcia and Anderson are the most recent casualties of the tracks.      Eli/Webb have nothing to do with this.   People are just venting frustration over a nearly depleted lineup of top factory talent.  

 

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5/7/2023 7:01pm
bigk218 wrote:
They absolutely need to open up the 250 class for old champs.  In the next two years we’re going to loose Eli (regardless of the injury)...

They absolutely need to open up the 250 class for old champs.  In the next two years we’re going to loose Eli (regardless of the injury) Barcia, Marv, web, Anderson, rockzen, etc.  they’re all going to retire to world sx garbage. If they open up the 250 class those guys can revamp on the small class to at least keep them around 

Dirtydeeds wrote:

Fastest qualifying lap was on a 250 yesterday.

Historically that is the case.  What’s your point

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5/7/2023 7:11pm

People forget Dungey breaking his back IN MX.  Eli had a serious season ending shoulder injury IN MX.  RV's career ending injury was riding MX.  Plenty of injuries in MX as well as SX.  Lots of MXGP guys get injured.  Going the speeds that these guys are running is going to result in some crashes.  Crashes = injuries

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5/7/2023 9:37pm

The problem is so much emphasis is placed on the “test track“ yet there’s almost zero correlation to the actual weekend 

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5/8/2023 12:25am
DownSouth wrote:

I do not recall Sexton DNF'ing any races

thorns wrote:

Chase got lapped during Kens win (not sure about other races), so perhaps that's what they mean?

DownSouth wrote:

Pretty sure Ken was lapped more than once this year as well if that is the point they were trying to make. 

Sexton was lapped at Indy. Roczen’s worst finish was 11th at Oakland, but he was still on the lead lap.
Roczen is the only one to have completed every lap of the season. That’s a fairly telling stat in my opinion.

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5/8/2023 3:13am

I stubbed my big toe this morning....

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CPR wrote:
Sexton was lapped at Indy. Roczen’s worst finish was 11th at Oakland, but he was still on the lead lap. Roczen is the only one to...

Sexton was lapped at Indy. Roczen’s worst finish was 11th at Oakland, but he was still on the lead lap.
Roczen is the only one to have completed every lap of the season. That’s a fairly telling stat in my opinion.

I wonder what the Vegas odds were before A1 of this happening 😳

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5/8/2023 5:56am

If riders want to stop getting injured, they need to stop taking risks. 
 

One day a rider who doesn’t take the risk will win. 
mom another day, the rider who takes the risk wins.

it is what it is.

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mx317
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5/8/2023 6:24am
Goon645 wrote:
The sport is evolving and the skill/technique and bikes are different now to when you were apparently doing 10ft doubles on your twin shock scramblers. To...

The sport is evolving and the skill/technique and bikes are different now to when you were apparently doing 10ft doubles on your twin shock scramblers. To reduce the difficulty of the tracks will do nothing other than make races boring with less opportunity to make passes - every year injuries happen (both during racing AND on practice tracks) and every year the retirement village cries about it and blames the race tracks only??

Go watch flat track

Typical Bro response. You need to be back in Roman days when they watched the Christians get eaten by the lions for sport. It doesn't take a genius to see when half your field is depleted from injuries, something isn't quite right. 

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5/8/2023 7:37am
mx317 wrote:
Typical Bro response. You need to be back in Roman days when they watched the Christians get eaten by the lions for sport. It doesn't take...

Typical Bro response. You need to be back in Roman days when they watched the Christians get eaten by the lions for sport. It doesn't take a genius to see when half your field is depleted from injuries, something isn't quite right. 

So Tomac with his injury from a slight jump misjudgment and Webb's misjudgment coming out of a corner should be compared to lions eating Christians? Damn some of you on here have way too many kneejerk reactions to racing incidents. 

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5/8/2023 8:01am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 8:03am

Riders get hurt no matter what discipline. Hard enduro, GNCC, EnduroCross, FlatTrack, Sprint Series, FMX. Heck even onroad a literal flat surface. Anytime you throw your leg over a bike you can get hurt. I didn’t know this was news to everyone

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mx317
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5/8/2023 8:07am
mx317 wrote:
Typical Bro response. You need to be back in Roman days when they watched the Christians get eaten by the lions for sport. It doesn't take...

Typical Bro response. You need to be back in Roman days when they watched the Christians get eaten by the lions for sport. It doesn't take a genius to see when half your field is depleted from injuries, something isn't quite right. 

BBA wrote:
So Tomac with his injury from a slight jump misjudgment and Webb's misjudgment coming out of a corner should be compared to lions eating Christians? Damn...

So Tomac with his injury from a slight jump misjudgment and Webb's misjudgment coming out of a corner should be compared to lions eating Christians? Damn some of you on here have way too many kneejerk reactions to racing incidents. 

Not my meaning. It was in response to the comment I quoted and the attitude. 

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mx317 wrote:

Not my meaning. It was in response to the comment I quoted and the attitude. 

Nope - just the response of someone who appreciates seeing the best in the world apply their skill to a sport I have sacrificed more bones enjoying than anything else in my life. Never did I think laying there after a lapse of talent/judgement/skill that the track was at fault - these are professional racers at the pinnacle of the sport, to disregard my comment as something “bro” shows me you probably pee sitting down and/or haven’t really competed at a high level and feel the need to to be offended at someone trying to defend the requirements for this sport to continue to evolve and allow the Chase’s, Eli’s and Jett’s of the world to blow my mind doing things on 2 wheels. Like I said, the flat track is thataway, and go watch one of the earlier races this year where Jett expresses his dislike for dumbing down track features when they’re all “professionals” - his words not mine, but I guess to you he is just a dumb “bro” and you know better than him on what is best for the sport…

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mx317
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Goon645 wrote:
Nope - just the response of someone who appreciates seeing the best in the world apply their skill to a sport I have sacrificed more bones...

Nope - just the response of someone who appreciates seeing the best in the world apply their skill to a sport I have sacrificed more bones enjoying than anything else in my life. Never did I think laying there after a lapse of talent/judgement/skill that the track was at fault - these are professional racers at the pinnacle of the sport, to disregard my comment as something “bro” shows me you probably pee sitting down and/or haven’t really competed at a high level and feel the need to to be offended at someone trying to defend the requirements for this sport to continue to evolve and allow the Chase’s, Eli’s and Jett’s of the world to blow my mind doing things on 2 wheels. Like I said, the flat track is thataway, and go watch one of the earlier races this year where Jett expresses his dislike for dumbing down track features when they’re all “professionals” - his words not mine, but I guess to you he is just a dumb “bro” and you know better than him on what is best for the sport…

Yes I have competed at the highest level. I raced Unadilla at the USGP way back in 1984 when it was a real track and some 500 nationals and I have never seen attrition like this. If you really love the sport, you will see it can’t go on like it is “Bro”.

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5/9/2023 8:35am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2023 2:49pm

This sport is very high risk, but it seems that the measures that could be taken to mitigate those risks are often ignored.  St. Louis 2010.  The officials were told about the destroyed corner before this rhythm section.  Chad Reed made a huge deal out of it and the riders were pissed.  More than one commented that they were holding their breath every time they hit this section praying they this didn't happen to them.  This was the result:  Shattered leg, end of season, loss of likely championship, no outdoor nationals.  Sound familiar?  Tomac's injury was not due to a crash, but resulted in exactly the same result as Villopoto's.  I think it is fair to say that the group of people who decide the outdoor national champion more than any other is the group of supercross track designers and builders.  Greed will prevail and the outdoor nationals will continue to suffer.

 

 

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5/9/2023 11:26am
mx317 wrote:
Yes I have competed at the highest level. I raced Unadilla at the USGP way back in 1984 when it was a real track and some...

Yes I have competed at the highest level. I raced Unadilla at the USGP way back in 1984 when it was a real track and some 500 nationals and I have never seen attrition like this. If you really love the sport, you will see it can’t go on like it is “Bro”.

Damn straight.

Many of those who are advocating for no changes probably have never ridden/raced.  If they have, certainly not at SX level.   It's all about the circus show for them....not what's best for the riders/sport.

 

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