Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then why do they do absolutely nothing for Webb? They should have told Webb don't move at all and then they immobilize him with a scoop stretcher and move him to the x-ray for a better evaluation before anything.
That was a direct hit to the spine and you can see alpinestars directing him to walk off the track then he is just sitting up on the mule. Anyone can help a rider to the mule and then drive so what does alpinestars provide???
They really need to practice some spinal trauma management on the track. The racers should understand ahead of time that if they take a big hit and are already off the track they need to just not move and alpinestars will extricate them to the mobile x-ray and a more controlled environment before they are allowed to sit up and walk around potentially exacerbating a spinal chord injury.
The way they had Webb on the mule is exactly how they had Brian Moreau? No lessons learned???
Here you go FIFA is using whats called a stokes stretcher which would be better than letting Webb stumble around, make him stand then ride sitting up with nothing supporting his spine across a dirtbike track 
They all have a hell of a lot more creditability than blowhards like you.
Right!?!? This dude is a clown. Complete jack ass of a post.
They need a system where the production team sends footage to the track doctor - so he can work out how to shift them
If they are so credible then what did they do Webb or Brian Moreau? Touch him with their magic healing hands? Maybe I missed something?
I know basic EMT medics that know how to identify a hard hit, tell someone don't move, place them on a scoop stretcher and lift it to the mule and drive carefully off the track to the x-ray? Probably cut their clothes off, get some imaging, perform a neuro exam and physical exam?
How hard is that?
The Shop
Free shipping: VITALMX
Luxon 4-Post Bar Mounts
$189.95 - $239.95
Dude thats a great idea, or someone medical in production to communicate with alpinestars that is was a high forces impact to the spine.
honestly you could probably see damage to the back of his jersey; alpinestars medical are just idiots
There is a lot to be desired in what they are doing
So if they don't witness the crash, they should automatically enforce the backboard?
Well go ahead and get your medic license and you go show them everything they are doing wrong since you seem to know it all. Piss off
It needs to look like this except with a different type of backboard called scoop or vacuum mattress is the industry standard. NFL does this all the time and they are moving people on flat ground; Webb is on a dirtbike track.
When have we ever seen this in supercross?
Yes I am a paramedic and the way they handled Webb would not be acceptable under my medical director or on my medic unit
PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE!
It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling names is pretty crappy and it makes it really easy to ignore you.
You have to take a history; in a car accident you can see things like intrusion into the vehicle, the speed of the road, what did they hit, outward signs of trauma to the patient, also you can just ask the patient what happened. It takes years of experience to identify high forces injuries.
I really doubt they were looking anywhere but the front of the pack on the first lap of the race and there was probably damage to Webbs jersey.
The point is they never immobilize anyone, they suck
Do things differently or better? You tell me? What other sports are doing is a basic standard of care, the most basic 1 semester of EMS should know how to perform this extrication form the track.
If you are a paramedic then you should know better than trying to evaluate a situation from your couch and then criticize those that are on the scene…
And what do we say when the press release says he has no spinal cord issues and/or broken bones in his neck/back?
The amount of people claiming he has a broken neck/back is kinda crazy.
Thank, God. We got lucky… but that won’t be said.
Dude if you are a paramedic, then you know there is this thing called “consent” in regards to treatment. If Cooper was out cold, then it’s presumed he would want the full treatment of C spine precaution, back board, etc.. But as long as that rider is able to talk’ and is of sound mind, they can dictate the level of care they are given/received. With that said, you, I, or anyone else on Vital are not privileged to the conversation the downed rider is having with the treating EMS worker, so we have no idea if Webb said piss off tp a collar and backboard. And lastly, don’t try and arm chair quarterback EMS, Police, Fire, Military, whoever, unless you have all the facts. I’m sure you wouldn’t want someone doing that to you while watching you work on the side of a highway treating a patient.
He doesn't have to be out cold, just disoriented
Pit Row
Hence why I said “can talk and is of sound mind”.
So you’re only going to reply to the consent part of his post and ignore the rest….
This place needs an enema.
Is it possible that for some reason Webb refused? He definetly should've at least had a neck brace at the bare minimum, but us mxers are a proud bunch that don't like to show weakness. Just saying
Brian Moreau said that he told them immediately that he could not feel his legs, they transported him and everyone the same way. Show me a picture of alpinestars lifting a rider, properly supporting the riders spine off the track
Thats the only thing that makes sense. Then you see the alpinestars guy doing manual neck immobilization while riding on a bumpy utv ride. Hopefully cooper refused and is okay. Otherwise i think they would have learned from Brian Moreau incident.
I mean he was holding his neck so by that time they knew something.
Im perplexed kinda like the op.
As of now, putting Moreau and Webb in the same sentence is rrrrreally appropriate.
And shows your credibility and honesty.
I hope Webb is OK.
Major sports do not require “consent” from players; trained medical professionals are in charge of the decision-making. This policy resulted from players making poor decisions about their physical well-being.
Medical professionals are typically very conservative. In Webb’s instance, the conservative approach is immobilization. There are numerous reasons why the team should have immobilized Cooper, but it’s unclear why they would choose to not immobilize him, other than the time it would take to remove him from the track.
In the first image you can see the backboard on the mule with the bag on top of it; lot of good it does there. In the second image you can see that doctor/nurse with her fat ass on the backboard and moreau sitting up In the last image you can see Moreau wearing a cervical collar which could have done within the first few minute of the crash.
Am I the only one that thinks Mathilda Musquin is real pretty
You obviously have an agenda….better call Kooksey…
John Bodnar is the chief physician for the Alpinestars mobile medical unit- he also works as an emergency room trauma doctor at Scripps Coronado hospital.
I’ve known Dr. Bodnar for a few years now, and I trust his medical judgement a fuck of a lot more than some anonymous message board guy like yourself.
Once again, none of us were there when Brian said whatever he said, so we do not have the info to pass judgment. Have there been errors or omissions in treatment through the years, yes. But to act like the Alpinestars medic crew is willfully, not following proper protocols is preposterous. Those men and women are operating under a licensed physician, and I’m certain, with the litigious society we live in, they are not setting out to make the situation worse or better yet dumbed down the care they are providing.
Post a reply to: On track Alpinestar medical crew does nothing, spinal chord injury is serious