Jake Weimer talking about key board warriors.

TerryB wrote:

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period. That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount...

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period.

That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount of talent our professional motocross riders exhibit, and the size of the kahunas shown in what they do on the track, I have little sympathy for criticism they receive on message boards. It's not only part of the territory that comes with celebrity and sports hero stardom in our modern world, it's part of life for people who aren't important enough to live sheltered by their own PR people or their entourage.

While most of us only dream of having the skill and finesse that they possess on a motocross track, we do know a little bit about giving your all, having heart, suffering losses, and even enjoying success... and in the real world, that also means suffering the harsh criticism, and accolades that go along with every decision, in every endeavor that is a part of this life.

So, (this is not directed at Mr. Weimer, but the group as a whole) harden the F up! We all have to learn this lesson in order to persevere in life. You really think Brett Favre is too worried about all the criticism he has gotten for his on again, off again status? You think Michael Vick was so distraught over what is being said on a message board that he was afraid to show up at camp, or felt a need to respond? Come on, Guys!

I see these instances as merely growing pains of a very small sport where it's athletes aren't used to such wide (and growing) media attention.

And, to some degree, I see a sort of "protectionism" by some, chastising those who voice their (possibly obnoxious and misguided) opinions. Certainly some are out of hand, but, by and large, if the fans- and their opinions- disappeared, so would the sport.

And finally, it needs to tempered with decency, and yes, respect, by those who feel it is necessary to voice their opinions. I do. I find it hard to be critical of most riders who don't behave like spoiled primadonnas.

I'm sure many of you will find much to disagree with here. Feel free.

TerryB wrote:

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period. That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount...

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period.

That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount of talent our professional motocross riders exhibit, and the size of the kahunas shown in what they do on the track, I have little sympathy for criticism they receive on message boards. It's not only part of the territory that comes with celebrity and sports hero stardom in our modern world, it's part of life for people who aren't important enough to live sheltered by their own PR people or their entourage.

While most of us only dream of having the skill and finesse that they possess on a motocross track, we do know a little bit about giving your all, having heart, suffering losses, and even enjoying success... and in the real world, that also means suffering the harsh criticism, and accolades that go along with every decision, in every endeavor that is a part of this life.

So, (this is not directed at Mr. Weimer, but the group as a whole) harden the F up! We all have to learn this lesson in order to persevere in life. You really think Brett Favre is too worried about all the criticism he has gotten for his on again, off again status? You think Michael Vick was so distraught over what is being said on a message board that he was afraid to show up at camp, or felt a need to respond? Come on, Guys!

I see these instances as merely growing pains of a very small sport where it's athletes aren't used to such wide (and growing) media attention.

And, to some degree, I see a sort of "protectionism" by some, chastising those who voice their (possibly obnoxious and misguided) opinions. Certainly some are out of hand, but, by and large, if the fans- and their opinions- disappeared, so would the sport.

And finally, it needs to tempered with decency, and yes, respect, by those who feel it is necessary to voice their opinions. I do. I find it hard to be critical of most riders who don't behave like spoiled primadonnas.

I'm sure many of you will find much to disagree with here. Feel free.

TerryB wrote:

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period. That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount...

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period.

That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount of talent our professional motocross riders exhibit, and the size of the kahunas shown in what they do on the track, I have little sympathy for criticism they receive on message boards. It's not only part of the territory that comes with celebrity and sports hero stardom in our modern world, it's part of life for people who aren't important enough to live sheltered by their own PR people or their entourage.

While most of us only dream of having the skill and finesse that they possess on a motocross track, we do know a little bit about giving your all, having heart, suffering losses, and even enjoying success... and in the real world, that also means suffering the harsh criticism, and accolades that go along with every decision, in every endeavor that is a part of this life.

So, (this is not directed at Mr. Weimer, but the group as a whole) harden the F up! We all have to learn this lesson in order to persevere in life. You really think Brett Favre is too worried about all the criticism he has gotten for his on again, off again status? You think Michael Vick was so distraught over what is being said on a message board that he was afraid to show up at camp, or felt a need to respond? Come on, Guys!

I see these instances as merely growing pains of a very small sport where it's athletes aren't used to such wide (and growing) media attention.

And, to some degree, I see a sort of "protectionism" by some, chastising those who voice their (possibly obnoxious and misguided) opinions. Certainly some are out of hand, but, by and large, if the fans- and their opinions- disappeared, so would the sport.

And finally, it needs to tempered with decency, and yes, respect, by those who feel it is necessary to voice their opinions. I do. I find it hard to be critical of most riders who don't behave like spoiled primadonnas.

I'm sure many of you will find much to disagree with here. Feel free.

flarider wrote:

I laugh when I see that, but people seem to prefer to just go with the made up stuff. People might also want to take note...

I laugh when I see that, but people seem to prefer to just go with the made up stuff.
People might also want to take note of threads where people who would know, DON'T POST anything, but sit back and watch

Ing wrote:

A guy with 19,000+ posts is telling everyone to sit back and watch. Classic.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

In the last issue of TWMX Trey Canard said one thing the sport could do without is Internet message board kooks. I think it is only...

In the last issue of TWMX Trey Canard said one thing the sport could do without is Internet message board kooks.

I think it is only small percentage of posters that give forums a bad name.

But hey it's easy judge someone when it is not you.

GuyB wrote:

There are some kooks for sure. Some of you guys post stuff that's really awesome. And some? Well, let's just say that there's also stuff that's...

There are some kooks for sure. Some of you guys post stuff that's really awesome. And some? Well, let's just say that there's also stuff that's less than awesome.

It's funny, there are a couple posters here who are sort of undercover, and try to steer you guys back to what's really going on with some very accurate info. Occasionally I try and point them out by suggesting that you might want to listen to them. Often they get overrun by posters who are spreading nonsense, nonstop.

You definitely need to pick and choose who you listen to.

Grendel wrote:

Nah. Since you're prone to misinterpretation, I'll wait until I read the thread (Which you still haven't produced) before I satisfy your insecurities. Libel thing: You...

Nah. Since you're prone to misinterpretation, I'll wait until I read the thread (Which you still haven't produced) before I satisfy your insecurities.

Libel thing: You misinterpreted my comment, which is understandably a hard thing to admit after you went to the trouble of creating a thread about it. People corrected you even before I made an appearance. Then you were just reduced to projecting your backpedaling onto me. A blunder on your part, but we can't win them all.

Well, some of us can't.

TerryB wrote:

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period. That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount...

First off: B team? Bullshit! They're winners. The ones selected, and deserving to go. Period.

That being said, while I have huge respect for the amount of talent our professional motocross riders exhibit, and the size of the kahunas shown in what they do on the track, I have little sympathy for criticism they receive on message boards. It's not only part of the territory that comes with celebrity and sports hero stardom in our modern world, it's part of life for people who aren't important enough to live sheltered by their own PR people or their entourage.

While most of us only dream of having the skill and finesse that they possess on a motocross track, we do know a little bit about giving your all, having heart, suffering losses, and even enjoying success... and in the real world, that also means suffering the harsh criticism, and accolades that go along with every decision, in every endeavor that is a part of this life.

So, (this is not directed at Mr. Weimer, but the group as a whole) harden the F up! We all have to learn this lesson in order to persevere in life. You really think Brett Favre is too worried about all the criticism he has gotten for his on again, off again status? You think Michael Vick was so distraught over what is being said on a message board that he was afraid to show up at camp, or felt a need to respond? Come on, Guys!

I see these instances as merely growing pains of a very small sport where it's athletes aren't used to such wide (and growing) media attention.

And, to some degree, I see a sort of "protectionism" by some, chastising those who voice their (possibly obnoxious and misguided) opinions. Certainly some are out of hand, but, by and large, if the fans- and their opinions- disappeared, so would the sport.

And finally, it needs to tempered with decency, and yes, respect, by those who feel it is necessary to voice their opinions. I do. I find it hard to be critical of most riders who don't behave like spoiled primadonnas.

I'm sure many of you will find much to disagree with here. Feel free.

noob wrote:

If Weimer's whining lit you up enough to write all that... I think you need to harden the fuck up.

jmar wrote:

The point I was trying to make is that people like Jake are some of the best in the world at what they do. Are you...

The point I was trying to make is that people like Jake are some of the best in the world at what they do. Are you at that level in Real Estate or the consulting business? Even though you have seem to have done well my best guess is that you are not at the top of the field in either. Just imagine if some asshat got on a form that was either Real Estate or Consultant based and started calling you out as someone that should be fired, or a has been that doesn't know shit about the Real Estate market. I think it would piss you off a bit. My point isn't aimed at you because I can't remember you being one of those that are always saying stupid things like that but you can't denie that this board is full of people that do.

Another point that bothers me personally is that fact that a lot of people think it's all fun and games riding at this level. There is nothing further from the truth and it can be a miserable thing to train and ride at this level. That doesn't mean that these guys don't love the sport but it's far from being a fun week of riding as it is for some weekend warrior. I have been lucky enough to watch my son and a good number of some of today's top riders train and prep for racing at this level and I can assure you that it ain't no trail ride. You should be around some of these guys after a weekend of things not going so well. It can be very demoralizing to work so hard and have a bad weekend.

Nothing personal here and you seem to always be much more respectful of the riders than others on this board.

Just my opinion and I hope it came across with respect.

jmar wrote:

The point I was trying to make is that people like Jake are some of the best in the world at what they do. Are you...

The point I was trying to make is that people like Jake are some of the best in the world at what they do. Are you at that level in Real Estate or the consulting business? Even though you have seem to have done well my best guess is that you are not at the top of the field in either. Just imagine if some asshat got on a form that was either Real Estate or Consultant based and started calling you out as someone that should be fired, or a has been that doesn't know shit about the Real Estate market. I think it would piss you off a bit. My point isn't aimed at you because I can't remember you being one of those that are always saying stupid things like that but you can't denie that this board is full of people that do.

Another point that bothers me personally is that fact that a lot of people think it's all fun and games riding at this level. There is nothing further from the truth and it can be a miserable thing to train and ride at this level. That doesn't mean that these guys don't love the sport but it's far from being a fun week of riding as it is for some weekend warrior. I have been lucky enough to watch my son and a good number of some of today's top riders train and prep for racing at this level and I can assure you that it ain't no trail ride. You should be around some of these guys after a weekend of things not going so well. It can be very demoralizing to work so hard and have a bad weekend.

Nothing personal here and you seem to always be much more respectful of the riders than others on this board.

Just my opinion and I hope it came across with respect.

TerryB wrote:

I get what you're saying jmar, I just disagree. We are all open to criticism from asshats that don't know anything about the business that we...

I get what you're saying jmar, I just disagree.

We are all open to criticism from asshats that don't know anything about the business that we conduct on a daily basis. Do we need protection from that, or are we big boys and girls now? It's a tough world out there.

I'm well aware that it's a tough game. I've been involved with mx for a very long time, and have known and associated with some very talented riders both on the Am and Professional levels from yesterday and today. I have respect for them, but in no way think that they should be coddled or shielded from the real world.

As I said, I agree with Weimer calling out the people comparing the team to a second string "B team". I was merely saying, "Get used to it, you're not exempt". And I must stress that the people who really have it wrong, in my opinion, are the people who share your opinion. No crime, no foul. There you go.

Whining or complaining about who said what about you, and how much you don't like it is pointless and goes on in every other part of life, any other occupation, any other sport. I don't know how you can realistically expect MX to be any different.

Adam43 wrote:

Its funny how all the top guys read this stuff, but no one posts. And they refer to the all the loon's rhetoric as "everyone is...

Its funny how all the top guys read this stuff, but no one posts. And they refer to the all the loon's rhetoric as "everyone is saying this..." When it's really maybe just a handful.

I just can't imagine any other sport giving so much weight to a message board.

Sonny wrote:

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to...

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to step into the real world. MOM and Dad have restructured their lives to revolve around "Johnny mini-bike racer" Hoping that he one day becomes a pro.
Then they read a posting on the internet and their privileged little world is crushed. So, some dude called you a B team rider. Big deal. Knowing how it hurts these riders shows how emotionally weak they really are. Trey Canard, be happy you are a great rider and don't look to change the internet world with a message board ban. If the irrelevant banter/opinions really upset you, blame your parents. They indeed gave you everything....but the truth about the real world.

The USA team did well Jake. That should be good enough.

Sonny wrote:

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to...

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to step into the real world. MOM and Dad have restructured their lives to revolve around "Johnny mini-bike racer" Hoping that he one day becomes a pro.
Then they read a posting on the internet and their privileged little world is crushed. So, some dude called you a B team rider. Big deal. Knowing how it hurts these riders shows how emotionally weak they really are. Trey Canard, be happy you are a great rider and don't look to change the internet world with a message board ban. If the irrelevant banter/opinions really upset you, blame your parents. They indeed gave you everything....but the truth about the real world.

The USA team did well Jake. That should be good enough.

swizcore wrote:

I cant believe how many people have commented on EID's post but failed to realize he isnt telling anyone to not post; he's saying that the...

I cant believe how many people have commented on EID's post but failed to realize he isnt telling anyone to not post; he's saying that the main players dont post.

READ IT AGAIN.

Sonny wrote:

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to...

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to step into the real world. MOM and Dad have restructured their lives to revolve around "Johnny mini-bike racer" Hoping that he one day becomes a pro.
Then they read a posting on the internet and their privileged little world is crushed. So, some dude called you a B team rider. Big deal. Knowing how it hurts these riders shows how emotionally weak they really are. Trey Canard, be happy you are a great rider and don't look to change the internet world with a message board ban. If the irrelevant banter/opinions really upset you, blame your parents. They indeed gave you everything....but the truth about the real world.

The USA team did well Jake. That should be good enough.

Nerd wrote:

Sonny, with all due respect, you don't know crap about what you're talking about here, and you're actually proving Jake's point.

lucero10x wrote:

Well you can usually tell who is the least informed by the volume of their rhetoric. I know this because I have been extremely critical of...

Well you can usually tell who is the least informed by the volume of their rhetoric. I know this because I have been extremely critical of LB in the past but have never met or talked to the prick. lol

Sonny wrote:

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to...

Jake is alot like many pro riders in my opinion. Young, Sheltered and have had so much positive support in their lives it's almost unbearable to step into the real world. MOM and Dad have restructured their lives to revolve around "Johnny mini-bike racer" Hoping that he one day becomes a pro.
Then they read a posting on the internet and their privileged little world is crushed. So, some dude called you a B team rider. Big deal. Knowing how it hurts these riders shows how emotionally weak they really are. Trey Canard, be happy you are a great rider and don't look to change the internet world with a message board ban. If the irrelevant banter/opinions really upset you, blame your parents. They indeed gave you everything....but the truth about the real world.

The USA team did well Jake. That should be good enough.

Nerd wrote:

Sonny, with all due respect, you don't know crap about what you're talking about here, and you're actually proving Jake's point.

Rotax wrote:

Nerd has never been so right.

This thread is about nationalism. IMHO

jmar wrote:

The point I was trying to make is that people like Jake are some of the best in the world at what they do. Are you...

The point I was trying to make is that people like Jake are some of the best in the world at what they do. Are you at that level in Real Estate or the consulting business? Even though you have seem to have done well my best guess is that you are not at the top of the field in either. Just imagine if some asshat got on a form that was either Real Estate or Consultant based and started calling you out as someone that should be fired, or a has been that doesn't know shit about the Real Estate market. I think it would piss you off a bit. My point isn't aimed at you because I can't remember you being one of those that are always saying stupid things like that but you can't denie that this board is full of people that do.

Another point that bothers me personally is that fact that a lot of people think it's all fun and games riding at this level. There is nothing further from the truth and it can be a miserable thing to train and ride at this level. That doesn't mean that these guys don't love the sport but it's far from being a fun week of riding as it is for some weekend warrior. I have been lucky enough to watch my son and a good number of some of today's top riders train and prep for racing at this level and I can assure you that it ain't no trail ride. You should be around some of these guys after a weekend of things not going so well. It can be very demoralizing to work so hard and have a bad weekend.

Nothing personal here and you seem to always be much more respectful of the riders than others on this board.

Just my opinion and I hope it came across with respect.

TerryB wrote:

I get what you're saying jmar, I just disagree. We are all open to criticism from asshats that don't know anything about the business that we...

I get what you're saying jmar, I just disagree.

We are all open to criticism from asshats that don't know anything about the business that we conduct on a daily basis. Do we need protection from that, or are we big boys and girls now? It's a tough world out there.

I'm well aware that it's a tough game. I've been involved with mx for a very long time, and have known and associated with some very talented riders both on the Am and Professional levels from yesterday and today. I have respect for them, but in no way think that they should be coddled or shielded from the real world.

As I said, I agree with Weimer calling out the people comparing the team to a second string "B team". I was merely saying, "Get used to it, you're not exempt". And I must stress that the people who really have it wrong, in my opinion, are the people who share your opinion. No crime, no foul. There you go.

Whining or complaining about who said what about you, and how much you don't like it is pointless and goes on in every other part of life, any other occupation, any other sport. I don't know how you can realistically expect MX to be any different.

swizcore wrote:

I cant believe how many people have commented on EID's post but failed to realize he isnt telling anyone to not post; he's saying that the...

I cant believe how many people have commented on EID's post but failed to realize he isnt telling anyone to not post; he's saying that the main players dont post.

READ IT AGAIN.

lucero10x wrote:

Well you can usually tell who is the least informed by the volume of their rhetoric. I know this because I have been extremely critical of...

Well you can usually tell who is the least informed by the volume of their rhetoric. I know this because I have been extremely critical of LB in the past but have never met or talked to the prick. lol

GuyB wrote:

Given that response, I'd have assumed that your post count would be a lot higher than 23. As far as, "... I have been extremely critical...

Given that response, I'd have assumed that your post count would be a lot higher than 23.

As far as, "... I have been extremely critical of LB in the past but have never met or talked to the prick. lol"

Can you point me to the humorous part in that sentence that generated the LOL? I think I missed it.

Nerd wrote:

Sonny, with all due respect, you don't know crap about what you're talking about here, and you're actually proving Jake's point.

Rotax wrote:

Nerd has never been so right.

This thread is about nationalism. IMHO

Sonny wrote:

[b]I think it was a pretty easy decision, and it makes absolutely no sense to me that you’re sending your people over to a foreign country...

I think it was a pretty easy decision, and it makes absolutely no sense to me that you’re sending your people over to a foreign country to represent you, and you’re going to sit on message boards and talk trash. I obviously don’t understand it. At least stand behind your guys.
Say what you must Nerd. I never heard anyone not support the team, just some people actually believed that Italy or Australia may win, and were honest enough to say it . I get the feeling we should post what the riders what to hear, instead of the truth. And no, I have it pegged. IMHO

Ing wrote:

A guy with 19,000+ posts is telling everyone to sit back and watch. Classic.