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I have a good idea about engineering but I'm not an electrical engineer so I go with what independent professionals are saying.
It's likely the battery size has been selected to put the proposed bike in a price and weight range. No matter the performance, or range, a 320 lb MX bike won't cut it- after all it is advertised as the best MX bike ever, not the heaviest and most expensive.
The bottom line for most people is that there are no bikes to test so what ever information Stark provides has to be examined very carefully for the obvious reasons.
Without production machines that can be dynoed, dismantled, ridden and raced we only have hearsay.
Sorry but not court admissable; it doesn't even pass the pub test.
Alright, fair enough.
So even with you‘re „good idea about engineering“ you would say that a well funded amateur could built a bike like the Varg prototypes, which were ridden at the media test last year?
Yes. Everything you need to do it is readily available. Varg had prototype/pre production/ unfinshed parts and systems parts on at the ride day so looked a bit homely.
The hardest part will be the software programming, control strategies for the various things.
Yo, Goldmember, just out of curiosity, how much did your "Cheap Seat" ticket cost, and are you planning on "chucking" anything from it but aspersions? A coke, maybe? Or a buttered pretzel? Juuuuust curious.
Look, let me help you out here, my brother. The list of "helpful" people like you that try so desperately to kill the buzz of Stark buyers like me is quite long now, and their negative comments about what an absolute fraud the Varg is and how gullible all of us depositors are have become legion. The list of hysterical buzz-kill comments must be well into the hundreds by now, from the "I know E-tech and this will never work" to "The sound of gas generators will kill the sport" to "No one will be able to fund a track because the charging stations will cost too much" to "They're just gonna take your money and go off to the Cayman Islands" to "Once the sound is gone the sport is toast." Your comments barely rate a re-hashed re-hashing of the re-hashing of their re-hashed re-hash, so carry on if you must, but understand that the silence you're hearing is the sound of no one cancelling their order.
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My suggestion: don’t quit your day job to become an engineer. I don’t think your „good idea of engineering“ will cut the mustard..
It may seem like multiple people re-hashing the same drivel, but what he is posting now as "Goldmember" was previously posted by him as "PeterDrakeford99" and "Gungadin" before that and "SilverSpurs" before that and on and on and on . . . Dude has a tough time keeping an account in good standing.
Damn, I almost forgot about all the verifiably credible "That stupid thing won't last two laps at Lommel with a pro on it" comments. This particular criticism was proven out as factual over three months ago now by a team of M.I.T. professors who were able to mathematically prove out that, yes, with Jeffrey Herlings (whose physical capabilities they have meticulously studied) aboard the Varg circulating Lommel at race pace, the bike would spontaneously combust in precisely 1.835789 laps (7/16th of a meter through the last corner before the finish straight) and be reduced to approximately 53 metric liters of green ooze (heavier once mixed with sand, of course). Soooooo yup - not even two laps.
Just in case you were wondering.
No way. Things happen and you have to adjust. You can have a beta, or even what you think is a great prototype of the product, and have a hard time predicting the regulatory process and what your final product will look like.
Only post here that’s given me hope.
I can't wait for the confirmation bias once these things get delivered..."Cannondale bike of the year" level of confirmation bias.
Assuming the tanking world economy doesn't ruin Stark before they even get off the ground...as more and more people, who didn't think twice about dropping $100 in a good economy, won't be so keen to drop $13K on an unproven machine in a bad economy.
Fingers crossed though...
I'm patiently waiting for a proven company to release a full size, high performance e-bike that will go 80 miles on a charge (at mid pack A rider pace) so I can buy one and ride/race it off road. I'd love to own one!
When are the first bikes slated to be delivered?
I think a few years ago.
Wow, delivery day is finally 1 month away. I'm so anxious to get my hands on the bike at the end of this month. The Varg is going to be so bad ass on SoCal tracks.
From a year old message recently on FB....
If “old tech” will still be available people will buy it. The govt will make sure that doesn’t happen though. Harley has announced they’ll be fully battery powered by 2035. If you think Harley thinks this is a move that will increase sales or that their customer base secretly is wishing for quiet bikes that you need to recharge…..well there’s nothing else that can be said to explain this is less “evolution” and more about govt intervention.
Haha a comedian. It’s funny that people like you can see the little trickle in the dam, point at and laugh and say “ohhhhh I'm soooo worried about the impending collapse of the dam! Ooooo I’m soooo scared!” It’s not until you can feel the rush of the water and taste the mud in your mouth that your feeble brain can actually grasp that the signs were there. You just chose to ignore them. It’s always so hard to get the majority of people to see envision what they can’t hold in their hand. Ignorance is bliss!
I hope this works, the reaction by some is unbelievable, why knock it until you try it?
Less?
Its just different tech to move an object.
Who wants old tech?
If the eBike is more fun than more will want it over an ICE.
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Lol you are quite funny. More sales…. Maybe in the subscriptions to access all the features designed into the bike!
I was sold on electric over 4 years ago when i bought my Alta MXR. At one time I owned 2 Altas, a 450 and a 125 and the gas bikes rarely saw the track when i had the Altas. Anyone who has ridden my bike loves it, even the haters. All it takes is one ride and people will understand.
You keep ignoring that more fun means more sales.
It’s just basic logic.
You will still be able to buy the ice versions for many years to come. Kinda like 2 strokes.
Hi Brian, I'm not a hater, but your last post appears vague.
What bikes do you now?
I would love to try a electric bike and would consider buying one down the road when there are several different ones to choose from, same with pit bikes and play bikes. We are not there yet but hopefully in next 5 or so years there may be several to choose from and if not then I don't think they will ever take hold and go away like the 3D TVs
At the moment i own 1 Alta MXR and 1 2021 KX 450. After i sell the KX450 and my Varg is delivered, im sticking fully electric for awhile. 1 Alta MXR + 1 Stark Varg.
What is the delivery date for your varg? I’m really curious to see how they are received when they start getting some production units out in the wild.
Orrrrrrr - you can just live upstream from the dam, like I do. Look, if electric bikes do all end up truly sucking, then all of us who hoped they'd work out will go back to ICE bikes, even if they're outlawed and we have to buy used ones. We'll find a way...... or not. But that's not really what you're worried about, now is it? In fact, that's not what ANY of you anti-Varg guys are worried about. What worries you is the possibility that the Varg will be good, REALLY GOOD, and that if they are, the joy on the faces of us early-adapters who ride them will be so plain to see that others will join us, and in a matter of a few short years you'll end up putting around the loop on a sputtering, quaint little dinosaur that no one cares about. It messes with your mind, because you're clinging to a nostalgia that has an expiration date on it, and it's begun to loom over your shoulder, like a reaper slowly honing his sickle, slowly getting ready for his moment of fate. I get it, I really do, but that dam you speak of isn't going to hold together simply because pleading traditionalists pound their fists and demand it be so. No dam lasts forever, my friend. Hell, I still miss mouthguards! I felt it was a crime against nature when full-face helmets came into vogue. But alas, they were better, and so they won the battle. The future comes for us all, so be glad for it or be otherwise, whine your ass off if it scratches an itch you have, but either way, it comes.
Same people, same pessimism, same downvotes. Whenever I rock your little boats, you get so pissy. I just have to ask, though, for all of you who choose to perpetually light your hair on fire about the Varg, do you ever ask yourself if the old guy might have a point? Do you ever ask yourself why I am so unbothered? I mean, after all, I'm supposed to be the one clinging to the glories of the past, am I not?
Well, in case you found yourself curious, here's my answer to those queries: I came of age in the late 70s works-bike era, a time when radical bike changes happened so fast there was never an opportunity to adjust, a time when we didn't subscribe to magazines because the newsstand got the new issues three days faster, a time when nothing - NOTHING - was sacred. You either came to grips with the latest breakthroughs or you got beat, period. Do me a favor: take a look at the 1974 Honda CR125, then take a look at the 1984 Honda CR125. Ten years - and EVERYTHING was different. Ever hear of Super Hunky? He couldn't win a race to save his ass, he was a fat, slow, lump forever mired in mid-pack dust....... then he hopped a brand new Maico 501 before anyone else got a chance to, and he WON his first race. From mid-pack to 1st place. Now THAT is a bike advantage.
The technological progress of the sport since the outlawing of works bikes has been exceedingly stunted, so much so that bike unveilings have become boring. Now, it's, "Wow, the new KX-F has different linkage ratios and all-new fork damping shims!!! This might be a game-changer!" Well, enough. It's TIME for radical change, it's TIME for revolution, it's TIME we abandoned a past that had us stuck with dirty air filters and valve float and oil changes and the horrific injuries that come from seized pistons and having bikes jump into false neutrals on jump faces. It's not time to move on, it's way, way, way, way, PAST time to move on. Yo, all you proud traditionalists who so dearly love the status quo - and I say this with both empathy and respect - go f***k yourselves.
AMEN
What I’ve said many times: if the Varg doesn’t work out, I‘ll lose a 100 bucks and just keep enjoying my SX125. But if it works out it’ll be a real technological shift, bigger than the switch to fourstrokes. That’s what I’m looking forward to, that’s why I paid the deposit and that’s why I don’t worry about the delay.
Your words and sentiments fit my situation with exacting precision, except I didn't get the SX125, I got the Heritage Edition TC125.
Rock on, my brother.
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