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Paul the Passer. 

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SX_336 wrote:
Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when...

Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when people crash. His height AND the KTM work against him in the whoops. That’s not a knock on him, RC4 was the same way. I don’t know if it’s how light the front end is on the KTM’s, but there is something with them in Supercross. Malcom and Christian do not blitz whoops on them like they did other brands.

I’d like to see how Coop does on a Japanese bike again. 

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this...

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this year and he finished one second from the win.  

Tell me one race he’s won this year where the leaders didn’t crash. I’ll wait! 😉

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SX_336 wrote:
Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when...

Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when people crash. His height AND the KTM work against him in the whoops. That’s not a knock on him, RC4 was the same way. I don’t know if it’s how light the front end is on the KTM’s, but there is something with them in Supercross. Malcom and Christian do not blitz whoops on them like they did other brands.

I’d like to see how Coop does on a Japanese bike again. 

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this...

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this year and he finished one second from the win.  

SX_336 wrote:

Tell me one race he’s won this year where the leaders didn’t crash. I’ll wait! 😉

That wasn't what you said.  You said he wasn't good on the technical tracks which is just false.  I am not a Coop fanboy, but good lord you couldn't have watched the last two races with this opinion.

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2/26/2023 1:50pm
Webb has to be the most disrespected, unappreciated and, just plain disliked two time SX champ in the history of the sport. Maybe it's because he...

Webb has to be the most disrespected, unappreciated and, just plain disliked two time SX champ in the history of the sport. Maybe it's because he interrupted Roczen's fairytale comeback.... Maybe it's because he rides the wrong color bike. Maybe,,,,, it's because of where he's from. I think he revels in whatever 'it' is. It almost seems like he prefers that perception of himself. Like he wants to rub the noses of all the 'clearly faster' riders and their fans, into a face full of 'how did that happen?' Personally, I dig the fight in that little dog. 

Magoofan wrote:
Webb is a scrapper and I like that trait in a person.       His confidence is mistaken for arrogance.    He doesn't bullshit and doesn't...

Webb is a scrapper and I like that trait in a person.       His confidence is mistaken for arrogance.    He doesn't bullshit and doesn't put all his shit out there (Tomac is like that too).     I think part of the reason he is disliked is due to his faith...guys that profess their faith take a beating around here.   Sad. 

 

It just tickles me to no end that people keep discounting him...including supposedly "in the know" media "top dogs".    ...and Coop just keeps Coopin...

I really hope he takes his 3rd SX title.....one of the reasons is just to watch peoples heads explode around here.   LMAO. 

 

Agreed on all points. I really hope, like someone else mentioned, that he brings the same intensity to the outdoors. It would seem a shame to...

Agreed on all points. I really hope, like someone else mentioned, that he brings the same intensity to the outdoors. It would seem a shame to go through bootcamp and suffer like that and then fart around outdoors. I'd like to see him on another desNations team.

You just gave your own reason he's unappreciated and disrespected. He mails it in outdoors or doesn't even race at all. 

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2/26/2023 2:03pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 2:04pm

How are we not running with the Webb/Michael Myers theme yet? It's Webb's version of Beast Mode.

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 If I was good at photoshop you could put whoever is leading's face on JLC's. I might have to pay someone to do it. It's too perfect.

michael-myers

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 He needs to start using this song for opening ceremonies. Talk about dropping the ball...

https://youtu.be/pT4FY3NrhGg

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He is a shark.  When he smells blood in the water he finds another gear. Decoster said that he is somehow able to push late in the racer harder then any other rides have been able to do.  

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2/26/2023 2:12pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 2:31pm

You just gave your own reason he's unappreciated and disrespected. He mails it in outdoors or doesn't even race at all. 

Then how did he get that AMA outdoor motocross championship?  
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You just gave your own reason he's unappreciated and disrespected. He mails it in outdoors or doesn't even race at all. 

TogaSet wrote:
Then how did he get that AMA outdoor motocross championship?    

Then how did he get that AMA outdoor motocross championship?  
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It's odd too that, MC did the same thing but, everyone loves him...

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Roczen's post-Daytona 2021 interview is the perfect example of what Webb does to his competition mentally when he's "on".

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2/26/2023 3:39pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 4:21pm
TogaSet wrote:
Then how did he get that AMA outdoor motocross championship?    

Then how did he get that AMA outdoor motocross championship?  
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It's a well know fact that an Outdoor title or MXGP title doesn't carry the same weight as even a regional 250 title with the factories and fans. The prestigious 450 Supercross title means way more. I love the Nationals, but let's be honest the Supercross title is the pinnacle of our sport. 

 

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SX_336 wrote:
Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when...

Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when people crash. His height AND the KTM work against him in the whoops. That’s not a knock on him, RC4 was the same way. I don’t know if it’s how light the front end is on the KTM’s, but there is something with them in Supercross. Malcom and Christian do not blitz whoops on them like they did other brands.

I’d like to see how Coop does on a Japanese bike again. 

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this...

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this year and he finished one second from the win.  

SX_336 wrote:

Tell me one race he’s won this year where the leaders didn’t crash. I’ll wait! 😉

Its almost like navigating lappers, and not riding over your head and staying on two wheels is a part of racing. Why didn't sexton pass him back in those last 3 laps if he is so much faster then? Oh yeah, because webb was catching him anyway. His lap times don't drop off, and he doesn't make mistakes and have bad laps when the track gets beat to shit. He was maybe 2 tenths off eli and chase for the fastest lap of the race. The gate drops at the same time and everyone rides the same track and passes the same lappers. 

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tomlopez wrote:

Roczen's post-Daytona 2021 interview is the perfect example of what Webb does to his competition mentally when he's "on".

How long until Webb starts messing with Tomac?

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SX_336 wrote:
Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when...

Coop is always good on less technical tracks. When they are super technical with a lot of whoops or big whoops his only chance is when people crash. His height AND the KTM work against him in the whoops. That’s not a knock on him, RC4 was the same way. I don’t know if it’s how light the front end is on the KTM’s, but there is something with them in Supercross. Malcom and Christian do not blitz whoops on them like they did other brands.

I’d like to see how Coop does on a Japanese bike again. 

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this...

This is a terrible take.  Last nights track was blown out in that last race and he won.  Last week was the most technical track this year and he finished one second from the win.  

SX_336 wrote:

Tell me one race he’s won this year where the leaders didn’t crash. I’ll wait! 😉

Do you understand the objective of most races is to go as fast as possible, for as long as possible without crashing?

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2/26/2023 4:18pm
str8line wrote:

How long until Webb starts messing with Tomac?

Eh. I think Tomac would plant Webb's lil manlet ass in a turn if worse came to worse. But Webb does have the Michael Myers vibe going for him. Beast Mode vs Michael Meyers? Count me in!

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tomlopez wrote:

Roczen's post-Daytona 2021 interview is the perfect example of what Webb does to his competition mentally when he's "on".

str8line wrote:

How long until Webb starts messing with Tomac?

Already started 

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2/26/2023 4:45pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 5:10pm

People don’t dislike Webb because of what he does on the bike, it’s his demeanour off the bike. Simple as that.

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CPR wrote:

People don’t dislike Webb because of what he does on the bike, it’s his demeanour off the bike. Simple as that.

Did you mean to say that 'people don't dislike Webb because..'? What does he do that's offensive off the bike?

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2/26/2023 4:59pm
CPR wrote:

People don’t dislike Webb because of what he does on the bike, it’s his demeanour off the bike. Simple as that.

I'm a fan. But until Eli is done and retired he's my guy. You could tell since he was on 80s and his segment on the Mini Warriors video back in the day he had "it." I'm on the Eli train until he retires. Then right on to the Michael Myers/ Cooper Webb train. 

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Kelz87 wrote:
I think he’s probably led fewer laps than any other race winner and Champion, but he gets the job done at the end of the race...

I think he’s probably led fewer laps than any other race winner and Champion, but he gets the job done at the end of the race as the track gets beat to shit.

 

It’s wild to me that he doesn’t look fast or particularly smooth, or even aggressive. He is the spoiler, and indeed the Assassin.
 

Nice job tonight Coop
 

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Unpopular opinion here but both Webb's wins this year are because the riders in front of Webb (so far ahead he wasn't pressuring them) made unforced errors and crashed.

 

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CPR wrote:

People don’t dislike Webb because of what he does on the bike, it’s his demeanour off the bike. Simple as that.

Did you mean to say that 'people don't dislike Webb because..'? What does he do that's offensive off the bike?

Ha yes that’s what I meant, fixed it thanks.

However I never said anything about being offensive off the bike, just that his demeanour is not particularly likeable.
I think what most people see is that he’s a smartarse ( I actually like that), likes to dish it out but doesn’t take it very well, and comes across as smug.
His behaviour last season displayed qualities that don’t win you too many fans.

Now on the bike is a different story. Anyone who’s into dirt bikes has to admire his ability and what he brings to the table. Every team would love to have an Webb.

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2/26/2023 5:54pm

It's odd too that, MC did the same thing but, everyone loves him...

That's a really good point.  

 

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CPR wrote:

People don’t dislike Webb because of what he does on the bike, it’s his demeanour off the bike. Simple as that.

Did you mean to say that 'people don't dislike Webb because..'? What does he do that's offensive off the bike?

CPR wrote:
Ha yes that’s what I meant, fixed it thanks. However I never said anything about being offensive off the bike, just that his demeanour is not...

Ha yes that’s what I meant, fixed it thanks.

However I never said anything about being offensive off the bike, just that his demeanour is not particularly likeable.
I think what most people see is that he’s a smartarse ( I actually like that), likes to dish it out but doesn’t take it very well, and comes across as smug.
His behaviour last season displayed qualities that don’t win you too many fans.

Now on the bike is a different story. Anyone who’s into dirt bikes has to admire his ability and what he brings to the table. Every team would love to have an Webb.

I don't know....seems like some members here have reported that he's very down to earth and humble outside of the "limelight".

I think at that level you have to be somewhat guarded when the camera is on you. 

 

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Kelz87 wrote:
I think he’s probably led fewer laps than any other race winner and Champion, but he gets the job done at the end of the race...

I think he’s probably led fewer laps than any other race winner and Champion, but he gets the job done at the end of the race as the track gets beat to shit.

 

It’s wild to me that he doesn’t look fast or particularly smooth, or even aggressive. He is the spoiler, and indeed the Assassin.
 

Nice job tonight Coop
 

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Ozy wrote:
Unpopular opinion here but both Webb's wins this year are because the riders in front of Webb (so far ahead he wasn't pressuring them) made unforced...

Unpopular opinion here but both Webb's wins this year are because the riders in front of Webb (so far ahead he wasn't pressuring them) made unforced errors and crashed.

 

Should  there be an asterisk  beside every win and title  in the history  books if the winner  won because  someone  in front  of them  lacked the skill to keep their  bike on two wheels?

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TDeath21 wrote:
He’s a slightly worse version of Dungey. Not a knock on him at all as Dungey is top 5 ever. Just similar in that nobody ever...

He’s a slightly worse version of Dungey. Not a knock on him at all as Dungey is top 5 ever. Just similar in that nobody ever really talks about them, they don’t wow anyone with anything, but they’re always there and find ways to win. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Webb also became a 4 time champion.

You realize you posted this in a thread where a lot of people are talking about him and how wowed they are? I think he gets a decent amount of attention. He's an old-school type of racer that came up through amateurs with Cianciarullo getting most of the hype.

I was in Oakland and the charge he made on Tomac at the end was intense. I'm pretty sure he would have passed him and won with one more lap.

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Sure as the sun will rise, this site is gonna turn into a bulletin board for love letters from middle aged men any time Webb wins. His opportunistic riding style, though successful, is nothing new… but what he does to you dudes is truly a phenomenon. 
 

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tomlopez wrote:

Roczen's post-Daytona 2021 interview is the perfect example of what Webb does to his competition mentally when he's "on".

str8line wrote:

How long until Webb starts messing with Tomac?

2 weeks ago

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Ozy wrote:
Unpopular opinion here but both Webb's wins this year are because the riders in front of Webb (so far ahead he wasn't pressuring them) made unforced...

Unpopular opinion here but both Webb's wins this year are because the riders in front of Webb (so far ahead he wasn't pressuring them) made unforced errors and crashed.

 

Hasn't Tomac won a couple of races because Sexton has crashed? What's your point? The races Webb didn't win,  at least a couple he was nipping at Tomac's heels to the finish line and passed and immediately gapped Sexton. It's still second place. But he caught Eli from :13 seconds back late in the race in one. When Sexton is out front, I'm confident that Tomac is pretty comfortable in second because he knows the odds are in his favor. Webb, not so much. Webb rarely has mishaps late in the race. 

My opinion is that Webb has a risk aversion or knows his strengths and weaknesses. He's not going banzai into the whoops. Last weekend he never blitzed up the dragonback. He jumped them like he does the whoops. It's a slower line early in the race, which is where he loses time, but it becomes faster as the race goes, and he works in the early part of the race to perfect the lines he plans on using later in the race. He doesn't usually take risks where injury are a likely outcome. 

I like everything about Webb. He seemingly plays the mental game off the track, and I believe Tomac and Sexton really start to think a LOT about what they're doing when he's behind them. They have to change their lines to block because Webb's lines are unorthodox, and have to really start pushing later in the race when they're less comfortable and Webb is more comfortable. I think if you ask Tomac and Sexton who they'd rather see behind them late in the race, their answer would be anyone other than Webb (or Barcia, but he's not in this conversation).

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TDeath21 wrote:
He’s a slightly worse version of Dungey. Not a knock on him at all as Dungey is top 5 ever. Just similar in that nobody ever...

He’s a slightly worse version of Dungey. Not a knock on him at all as Dungey is top 5 ever. Just similar in that nobody ever really talks about them, they don’t wow anyone with anything, but they’re always there and find ways to win. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Webb also became a 4 time champion.

southeast wrote:

Gotta win 3 first.

TDeath21 wrote:
Yeah because he has 2 now and 3 is the number after 2, but before 4. So that’s why he has to win 3 before he...

Yeah because he has 2 now and 3 is the number after 2, but before 4. So that’s why he has to win 3 before he can win 4.

But 4 sounds like more than 3.  

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He is a shark.  When he smells blood in the water he finds another gear. Decoster said that he is somehow able to push late in...

He is a shark.  When he smells blood in the water he finds another gear. Decoster said that he is somehow able to push late in the racer harder then any other rides have been able to do.  

ET goes into warp speed at the beginning if he gets a good start to pull away where Webb goes into warp speed the last 4 or 5 laps hunting the leader down and immediately go for the juggler vein…… especially on the last lap when it counts.

Champions are smart like Dungey was by not going in full blast at the first few races then they start chipping away at the points for the important time at the end 

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