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I would bet the tone of those comments probably has something to do with being translated from a French interview.
It was pretty rough to read what he said about coop. Basically, trying to blame their terrible season as a team on one rider.
Seems like more of a management problem to me.
Oh now you done and did it son....speaking ill toward ol' Rog is NOT ACCEPTED here....
We like to blindly go along with our day just accepting that he's the best Team Manager to ever grace this sport, willfully ignoring that he pretty much only wins with dudes who would won anyway and is likely very overrated but can't be questioned due to accomplishments he had 50ish years ago when it was basically an entire different sport to what it is today.
haha!
I'm just being real about it. To shame the last rider that brought you a tittle is not a good look.
He was in the right place and right time when RD5 was winning all the time and it made him look like a hero. RD5 would have done that with or without him.
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As is a child, but an adult knows when something is appropriate or inappropriate.
I couldn’t have said it better.
What I dont understand is why a professional that has had three years following a program under guidance, cannot then apply the same program without the guidance.
I do understand that keeping the discipline to implement it is hard, so he would probably need someone to keep him accountable but this can be done without spending $200k.
Us mere amateurs can do a reasonably good job with fitness simply by using guidance from apps and equipment such as Garmin without needing a trainer, or someone to keep us accountable, all the while holding down a full time job and raising a family. Yes, I know we are talking elite level fitness for a pro, and we are 'only' amateur, but its all relative & It was surprising that Coop couldnt make a better job of it than he did.
Surely he kept a training diary in '19, '20 & '21?
Who knows. It seems like Jason has been able to do this, yet Coop was not. Could be that he just didn't put in the work and wasn't motivated, could be that the bike was just that bad and they didn't let him make changes or do enough testing.
We'll probably never know but unless someone is helping you do something that no one else can there's really no reason to pay crazy money for some guy to yell at you during a workout or tell you how long to ride a bicycle. Riding or skill coaches are another argument and are worth their weight I would say.
Because there is some "secret sauce" being used. You've got to know what the right "sauce" is at the right time and in the right amounts to make sure the "dish" comes out as perfect as it can be.
RV credits Aldon with 50% of his success. Talks about weight and training at the 25-minute mark. Hiring him even before leaving Pala after Stewart parted ways with him without even knowing the cost.
If indeed true , he knew what he was taking , how much , the when and where. It’s not like he was on epo with Aldon and off without. Anything these guys take would be for endurance anyway, not strength based stuff. It’s not like young guys need a bunch of testosterone or something.
Just my opinion , but from winning with him , to a noticeable drop without , he probably wasn’t putting in the same level of work. As sugar ray leonard says , it’s hard to get up and run at 5am when you’re sleeping in silk sheets.
You’ll get lynched by the forum’s old guard for suggesting such a thing..
Although I suspect you may be right.
PEDs in every sport in the world except Moto?
c’mon..
Is the Jeff Alessi thread still around? Any update on that?
To do PEDs right, healthy, and undetectable is chemistry, and the ability to read Dr charts. No rider is going to understand it all on their own.
Testosterone and EPO are the drug of choice in this world.
so does coop leave ktm after 2023?
Do you have a source for this interview?
Speaking ill towards Roger DeCoster when it is done in ignorance such as you are doing should not be accepted here or anywhere else. Can you name one manager or influential member of a team that has has won with "dudes" that would not have won otherwise?
It's not like Larry Brooks molded Chad Reed or James Stewart into champions. I doubt that Dave Arnold took riders like Bailey, O'Mara, Johnson, JMB, Jeff Stanton, and McGrath and made them champions. These managers saw the talent, got them onboard and it payed off. That's exactly what they are supposed to do! In that regard, DeCoster is one of the best to get talent to come aboard and it has produced title after title after title. Roger's successes cannot be overstated and your comments show an ignorance to his accomplishments in the sport of motocross and Supercross.
You seem to be forgetting that DeCoster isn’t team manager anymore, hasn’t been for years. Harrison is team manager and Webb’s boss. DeCoster is head of KTM motorsports.
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but do you really think rog isn’t making the calls at ktm. Rog has always favored ktm. Just ask Anderson about that…… when husky was struggling with issues pretty sure Jason sent email to Austria not happy and that if it was a ktm rog would already have it fixed.
Not really, he probably was just as good as Tomac in 2020. Without one bad race in the beginning of the season and without the fall on his back he would have been right there (only finished 25 points off Tomac as far as I remember). Could have been three in a row for him.
Anyway, woulda coulda shoulda, it's good he's back now and I'm excited for a 3 man battle this year, hope they stay healthy and that the last round will be the decider.
Dave Arnold took huge chances on guys because he saw potential and brought it out, Decoster hires guys who have won.
In the early 80s, nobody was offering Donnie Hansen, Johnny O’mara, Chuck Sun, or Magoo jobs, except Dave Arnold. Wven Bailey was only offered a Kawasaki support ride, but Arnold saw the potential.
Who in their right mind saw Micky Dymond winning 2 125 titles after being an 8-10 place 500 guy besides Dave Arnold? Nobody was going after McGrath when Arnold offered him a 125 factory ride.
Yes, we can give credit to Decoster for bringing in JMB, when Arnold didn’t want him, but was that really a success?
He did a great job at stealing Dungey away from another team, and taking credit for it.
You said "DeCoster is one of the best to get talent to come aboard and it has produced title after title after title."
Other than the run the RD5 had, where are these riders you claim that came aboard and brought KTM all these titles(other than webb)
When is the last time KTM got a 250 title?
I wonder if it actually physically hurts to have a brain so riddled with nonsense.
To be clear: O'Mara was a known quantity when Honda signed him, his success with Mugen (a company owned by Mister Honda's son) was not a secret. In fact, he'd already won the U.S. 125 Grand Prix. Chuck Sun was already a factory Husky rider on the same team that produced Howerton when Honda came knocking, and Bailey's potential was clear to all back when he was a very young factory Bultaco rider.
You can't hire everyone, can you?
To be clear: Dungey was a wet-behind-the-ears runt when DeCoster signed him to Suzuki. No one could figure out why...... 'till he started winning. Coop was a down and out failure and DeCoster signed him to KTM anyway. No one could figure out why....... 'till he started winning.
You can't win them all, can you?
These silly threads produce the same old crap over and over again. Guys who have barely a clue how much impact DeCoster has had, or how incredibly talented he is at a multitude of things, pick someone to compare him to and just roll with it. It's called ENVY. It's not a good thing to have. Turn inward, and wrench on thy inner self instead. The weirdest thing of all this is, anyone who actually knows DeCoster's life story knows his biggest accomplishment is his total lack of bitterness. He was shit on time after time after time by people who owed so much of their success to him, and every time, he just shrugged and found another way.
It started long before KTM. Carmichael was the first, until then he had years of losing seasons at Suzuki.
If you look at the big picture, three guys brought Decoster all his success. It’s kinda funny really, Decoster wasn’t considered the genius he is now until he got RC, before that, he was considered a mediocre team manager with great racing heritage.
I think Roger does a great job helping established riders continue winning, but he doesn’t know how to develop young talent.
Nonsense, lol, I’ll break it all down so it’s easy to follow. I knew exactly what O’mara was offered, and Honda was the only factory offer he had. Yes, the GP helped him gain recognition, but he was already talking to Honda by then. Yes, Mugen was/is owned by Hondas son, but Honda or Mugen had nothing to do with Johnny riding them, that was all Al Baker. In fact, Johnny wasn’t even considered for the Mugen job until Al got the rights to import them, Mugen had a Japanese rider lined up.
Chuck had zero interest from American teams and was going to race GPs until Arnold came knocking.
Kawasaki was going to Bailey on a support ride with factory bikes because they had a full team.
Dungey is the one that makes me lol the most because NOBODY has a clue how Roger got him, they think he was hand picked out of the B class by Roger, wrong.
Ole Gress had been grooming Ryan and his brother for years, Roger had no idea who he was. Cole even brought Ryan to Roger, but he didn’t know who he was so he chose Brian Gray(rip) and Izzy. Roger had no idea who Ryan was until Cole Gress and another guy, whose name is escaping me now brought him to Glennhellen to test for the Rockstar Suzuki team That’s when Roger took notice because he was faster than the two factory guys testing for Roger that day
As far as me finding flaws because I’m envious, naw, I wouldn’t want Rogers personal life at all, and I’ve done fairly well for myself. I say this stuff only when people say he is the greatest bla bla bla.
Great? For sure, greatest team manager, that would go to Dave Arnold, he built an empire that lasted 15 years and won more titles in that span than any manager in history and taught Roger everything he knows about chassis’s.
I agree with you on Arnold, Jeff Stanton was probably his greatest find by plucking him off a Yam support ride....but you do come off as having a hard on for Roger...Pretty sure Cole pushed both Izzy and Grey to him also....did something happen between the two of you for him to earn the discredit you give him? I have great respect for both.
I think I come off that why because we’re on line, and it’s hard to discern the difference between respect and disrespect. I think Roger in probably the third or fourth best team manager throughout history, I think Dave Arnold and Mitch are a close one and two with Kenny Clark probably third.
Back in the day, I actually got along well with him. He did say something about my bike once that bummed me out, but I was over that later that day.
edit: Cole brought Izzy for sure, but Roger picked Brian Gray. To their credit, a lot of people thought both would be good. Who thought when izzy was 15 that he would be a mess 3 years later.
Yeah sometimes the written word can come off different than intended….I’ve had that issue a few times myself…I agree with you but I would probably put Roger a little higher….now can we talk about the worst team manger in history….
What did Roger say about your bike?
Said his bike could handle the whoops with a decent rider like DV in shorts
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