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Most of us are defending our oils based on emotions not facts, I don’t know the facts behind motul, every mechanic/engine guy says motul, that’s why I use it, I had plenty of 250fs torn down for a rebuild when mom and dad were paying for bikes and parts, dad used bel ray and the insides always looked perfect, for what it’s worth.
No way to prove the oil has anything to do with it.
Exactly, lol.
Widely regarded as the most advanced and highest performing motorcycle engine oil available today the Motul 7100 line of oils uses the same lubrication technology derived from technical partnerships with racing teams both on and off-road.
100% Synthetic Ester based motorcycle lubricant for high-performance, sport, off-road, endure, and trial bikes fitted with 4-stroke engines, integrated or non-integrated gearbox, wet or dry clutch.
Use of 100% Synthetic Ester material with anti-wear additives results in improved shear resistance for increased gear protection and engine reliability.
Compatible with modern emission regulation technology including exhaust gas after treatment systems such as catalytic converters and air injection into the exhaust pipe.
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Meets the following standards: API SL/SH/SG and JASO MA
Recommended for all 4-stroke motorcycles with catalytic converters
Ester technology improves engine response
Proprietary extreme pressure formula to protect the gearbox
Low sulfur and phosphorus formula for bikes fitted with catalytic converters
Oil group information: https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29113/base-oil-groups
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Probably had as much to do with oil change interval as anything else.
Having said that, I have a friend with a KTM 450SX that swears by Amsoil. He isn't anal about his service intervals but he stays on it. He sent his motor our for a teardown and rebuild at 140 or so hours. The mechanic called and asked him if he was sure it had never been worked on because the insides looked immaculate. Piston and rings were in spec.
Take it for what it's worth.
When my son was racing, we had Redline Oils as a sponsor. One of the trade offs was that we were asked to send in the old oils for analysis with hours logged. We used everything from suspension fluids, motor oils, trans and even the oil/trans and differential fluids in my truck.
Since Redline hadn’t been brought up yet, I’m curious if you have any experience with them. They sponsor all forms of racing and it is fairly expensive to buy.
I’ve switched to Maxima, with the exception of motorex as my premix and have been very happy with it.
I ran motorex in my 22ktm , it shifted very hard and notchy. I switched to the Motul and it shifts way better now
ive only ever run motul trans and motul 800 in my yz 125, i bought it new in 2003 and lost count of the hours id raced on it after 2005, still goin strong on it now, i break it down every year and it always looks great, apart from bearings, its only ever had a outer clutch basket in the bottom from new, the down side is its mega expensive compared to other mx oils that are in most shops here like putoline, silkolene etc
I have found Motul products are a step above most any other oil I have used or seen across the board 2T or 4T. As a rider/racer/ engine builder I was happy with my brand years ago...however when I would get full race engines in for service etc and they were at new spec's and had a coating of lube as slick as syrup it was Motul 8002T the owners were using, when I switched I noticed my bike was a blip or two on the throttle from being clean and ready to rip when you start in staging to the gate (30 pro, 40 ex, 50 ex now 60+). when I service /build 4T race engines (GSXR750 etc..) they were perfect inside with Motul as well. Other oils may work as well but Motul always works for me
So after a change and I immediately see a difference in a truck I've had for 20 years I can't attribute that to the oil? Makes sense.
We purposely ran ATF, Gear Oil, and 2 stroke oils in 4 stroke crankcases, and also ATF, Gear Oil, and regular car oil in small 2 strokes.
Believe it or not, it is almost impossible to blame an engine failure on oil. While not ideal, and some surely stink, engines are pretty tough.
Keep this in mind. back in the early days, 2 strokes used basically 30 wt car oil.
4 stroke Speedway bikes run Castrol R30 or R40(or similar oils like Klotz or Blendzall castor oils) just the same as a 2 stroke does. That's why methanol speedway bikes smell so good.
The anecdote you provided was about two dirtbikes.
Other than the various car oils( all good stuff) the only 2 we looked at when blending oils for some OEMs was their Allsport(or something like that) and the watercraft oil. Both robust oils.
Now before people say boat oil bla bla bla, the most stressed 2 stroke engines are high revving shifter karts(pick any cc class) and 9-14,000 RPM race outboards, mostly the Offshore guys or the F1 Champ boat kind. WFO for very long times and the Super Stock 2.5s run at 9,000.....save for the Unlimited Outboard Drags running up to 14K. A failure can be 20-30 grand. 50 grand for billet powerheads.
I can say Redline has a huge faithful crowd in Karting and those same race boats. Same for Klotz(probably the most popular, and Motul in their also.)
I would have loved to get some labs done on their racing oil, but from how many run it with good success, it has to be good. Tons swear by it.
So your post got me to thinking....
Redline MSDS sheets now refer to Phillip's 66. They did not show that way back. That would make me think prior they were getting their base oils and add packs from them.
Old schoolers will remember the 3 blends of Trick Racing Gas. That was Phillip's 66 B series fuels.
Phillip's is quality, especially anything coming out of the Borger facility(Av Gas etc.)
Most know that Yamalube is or was many years ago a Citgo blended product and also the same as Citgo Sea and Snow or labeled Mystik, Citgos retail brand.
Also, many years ago(up until about 5 or so and probably still), Maxima 927 MSDS sheet was virtually identical to Castrol A747 with almost identical % amounts of Castor etc. It also looked and smelled identical.
Esso blended Euro Yamalube for that market years ago. Maybe still.
Non refinery brands buy their stuff from someone and maybe blend in additional additives etc.. If Redline was sourcing Phillps 66 all these years, that explains why it's got such a good following.
Another thing I noted was their racing oil and Kart oil is advertised as the same chemistry with a different label. If it can keep screaming shifter karts and strung out 2 stroke outboards lubed in the 9,000 RPM and up range (that is stock RPM for a 2.5 Drag or S3000 F1 stock class champ boat) it's good stuff. And knowing Phillip's products for 40+ years and way longer with fuels(they supplied AvGas to many race fuel companies way back) I'd run it. All those racers can't be wrong.
I really appreciate your posting, lots of knowledge being given in this thread.
yes, I remember when Kelly sold to Phillips 66.
When we were using it, we used every single product they sold. The suspension fluids were coming out cleaner than any other product we’d used and RG3 was surprised at how well it looked at 20 hours.
the clutch side of our ‘05 CRF450 had a special blend gear oil that he developed for Tom Morgan who was sponsoring Josh Grant at the time. Kelly told me that I could run that stuff until I replaced the clutch. Tom was doing our motors as well and told me to leave it in until we did a top end. It came out the same color as when we put it in the bike. That was 40 hours…
it stuck to the metal like a glue. When I took off the clutch cover, it covered the entire clutch even after 40 hours and the motor was cold.
used their gear oil in my Dodge truck rear end and Kelly said it would double the service intervals. Pretty amazing stuff.
Good info, sent you a PM with some questions.
Motul 800. Period.
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MOTUL has the best brake fluid on the market
Currently trying out 800T in my Husky TC125 and 300V in my Husky FC350. Both seem great.
Interesting note - KTM/Husky call for 10w-50 which is not a weight available of 300V. So it is actually the "new" 300V2 I am using in 10w-50. It is not green in color as people say. Just looks normal amber/uncolored. Anything else to know about 300V2 versus 300V ?
What difference did you notice?
I'm running Motul 300v in my 22 YZ250F. I love it. I run it in all my 4 strokes. I'd like to run it in my truck.
I also used to run Motul 800 in my YZ125 and its a great oil.
They and many others source the fluids from only a few places. Dupont probably being the biggest.
This brand, Wilwood, Brembo, (most hi perf brake brands) and many aftermarket brands all have comparable produxts and could all be the same.
Read the labels. And never run DOT 5 unless your machine specifically calls for it. Never confuse 5 with 5.1
Motul thread eh, i literally just changed my oil the other day.. I Went from Amsoil 10w-50 to Motorex 10w-50.. Going to see if i notice a difference.
The Amsoil oil was still beautiful pouring out after 6 rides and roughly 8 hours in the bike .. even my wife was like that oil looks great lol.
Im Trying Motorex because its in the manual.. Hopefully it holds up as well as Amsoil.
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I Will give this Motul Stuff a shot when i run out of the 4 quarts of Motorex.
This is an old related thread.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/150-motor-oils-tested,12…
Be curious to your thoughts on the test method/s of the guy at the first link.
Fuel mileage went up with the oil. When I swapped over the transmission fluid noticed a huge difference on how the truck shifts. It has never been so smooth.
Every few years I end up on that guys page and read updates on the top 20 or 30.. I don't know how accurate his info is on alot of those brands listed, but much is consistent with known info and I would agree with.
Also, a few of the popular name brand oils that he doesn't give that good of a rating too is also consistant.
I did notice alot of the better oils in the list are the marine version of oils. This is also consistant with top quality "car" oils. Basically, imagine driving your truck at 75 MPH in 3rd gear at redline for 40 miles. That works an oil.
I wish he would post NOA labs from Blackstone or similar on all those oils. That would be interesting reading.
A decent reputable site is Petroleum Quality Institute site. You can search most popular consumer oils and see if they are meeting specs.
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