Did Ken call Ping $h!t Stick?

McG194 wrote:

Absolutely zero bias, I could give two shits about it either way. Frankly, I'm amazed I'm typing this out.  As of now Ping is not a...

Absolutely zero bias, I could give two shits about it either way. Frankly, I'm amazed I'm typing this out. 

As of now Ping is not a sensationalist in my book, like anyone else my opinion of him can change if he starts stepping on his willy on the regular. I like Ping's longform interviews and I like what he is trying to do in the industry. I also like Kenny a lot. It is quite possible to like two people that hate each other. 

The crazy catch 22 is that if Ping just made this story up he's a piece of garbage and if Kenny is not being truthful to protect his brand it's understandable. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. 

 

As far as "Did I listen to the interview?" I have not yet, I'm in the middle of a great book on tape called "Smuggler" by Roger Reaves. Crazy interesting book. Maybe I'll go listen to it on Youtube. Not much chance of it changing my mind of I have no idea where the truth is. 

SoCalMX70 wrote:

Ping posted that Kenny refused a drug test. He then went on to speculate what was in his system. We know, for a fact, that it...

Ping posted that Kenny refused a drug test. He then went on to speculate what was in his system.

We know, for a fact, that it was more complicated than that. We also know Kenny took and passed the drug test.

Without getting into all the other uproar with Kenny's agent, how do you look at the above and not think Ping fucked up?

Had Ping called... *checks notes*... ANYONE in the industry, he probably would have gotten the complete picture. Or, worse, he DID have the complete picture and decided to post click bait trash anyway.

I'm giving Ping the benefit of the doubt in that I believe he heard something from maybe 1 guy and ran with it... He probably knows to do better next time. Still, he sure as hell didn't call/text Ken Roczen. 

McG194 wrote:

That's the thing, you or I have no idea who he called or how he checked on it. Is it possible that Ping talked to someone...

That's the thing, you or I have no idea who he called or how he checked on it. Is it possible that Ping talked to someone at KTM, and Roger had no idea? Of course, it is. Sometimes shit just goes off the rails. I did listen to Kenny on the podcast and my opinion is now they are probably both telling the truth as they know it. The only bad guy in the whole fiasco in my opinion was Astephen. Of course, Kenny is pissed at Ping, and he had the perfect audience with Matthes and ML, two people who are definitely not in Pings fan club. I'm sure there is mutual bad blood on all sides so I totally get the hostilities. 

This one admittedly isn't a good look for Ping just like Claimgate wasn't a good look for Matthes, I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt and a Mulligan if they need it. 

 

Craziest thing in this whole thread is the negativity I have gotten for being absolutely neutral. To me it's a slightly interesting story with hugely interesting reactions from people who are in no way involved or affected by the story. Plus the fact that the story has taken so many twists and turns. First off it was "Ping is Cooksey", then it was "Astephen is hiding something" and now it's back to "Ping sucks." Wild ride boys. 

McG194 wrote:

That's the thing, you or I have no idea who he called or how he checked on it. Is it possible that Ping talked to someone...

That's the thing, you or I have no idea who he called or how he checked on it. Is it possible that Ping talked to someone at KTM, and Roger had no idea? Of course, it is. Sometimes shit just goes off the rails. I did listen to Kenny on the podcast and my opinion is now they are probably both telling the truth as they know it. The only bad guy in the whole fiasco in my opinion was Astephen. Of course, Kenny is pissed at Ping, and he had the perfect audience with Matthes and ML, two people who are definitely not in Pings fan club. I'm sure there is mutual bad blood on all sides so I totally get the hostilities. 

This one admittedly isn't a good look for Ping just like Claimgate wasn't a good look for Matthes, I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt and a Mulligan if they need it. 

 

Craziest thing in this whole thread is the negativity I have gotten for being absolutely neutral. To me it's a slightly interesting story with hugely interesting reactions from people who are in no way involved or affected by the story. Plus the fact that the story has taken so many twists and turns. First off it was "Ping is Cooksey", then it was "Astephen is hiding something" and now it's back to "Ping sucks." Wild ride boys. 

Graybeard wrote:

I want to piggy back on something you said here--"Is it possible that Ping talked to someone at KTM, and Roger had no idea?" I was...

I want to piggy back on something you said here--"Is it possible that Ping talked to someone at KTM, and Roger had no idea?" I was amazed listening to the Bubba's World interview with RC that Carmichael himself said he had no idea Suzuki told James that he had a offer to ride for RCH! Your point is valid that Ping may have gotten "bad" intel from someone else, regardless of what Roger and Kenny had talked about. 

I like Ping, but it appears to me that he may not have called Kenny or the agent to get their side of this (I do NOT know that for a fact, just more speculation on top of all this other speculation in this thread), which could have avoided a lot of this. Regardless, I can also see how this whole thing could have happened, having been in those shoes before.   

wreckitrandy wrote:

"Ping posted that Kenny refused the test." Did Kenny's agent not say, "The reason we refused the test."??? So why would you give a reason for...

"Ping posted that Kenny refused the test." Did Kenny's agent not say, "The reason we refused the test."??? So why would you give a reason for refusing if you didn't refuse? Yeah, at some point, it must have been made clear to him the consequences of refusing so, he took the test. You say, "he took the test and passed".... Have you seen the results of the test? It seems that others that were tested waited sometimes for months on results. I don't know. I hope it all works out and he wins races for Suzuki but, Ping reported the news, corroborated by the agent, a participant in the incident and apparently, the spin cycle is on so high the facts don't matter.

aeffertz wrote:

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen...

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen refused to take a drug test and KTM pulled their offer as a result."

Neither are true. The agent initially questioned why they should have to submit a test but ultimately they still submitted a test. To say that someone refused to take a test weeks after the incident insinuates that a test was never taken and to also add a potential factory ride was revoked as a consequence is just a flat out lie. Please tell me more about this "spin cycle" as it seems you are sticking a finger in both of your ears and singing "la la la" when anyone presents you with the actual facts of what happened. Is everyone else spinning a false narrative or are you strapping on another tin foil hat while insisting that Ping's clickbait and false claims are the real truth?

 

wreckitrandy wrote:

"Ping posted that Kenny refused the test." Did Kenny's agent not say, "The reason we refused the test."??? So why would you give a reason for...

"Ping posted that Kenny refused the test." Did Kenny's agent not say, "The reason we refused the test."??? So why would you give a reason for refusing if you didn't refuse? Yeah, at some point, it must have been made clear to him the consequences of refusing so, he took the test. You say, "he took the test and passed".... Have you seen the results of the test? It seems that others that were tested waited sometimes for months on results. I don't know. I hope it all works out and he wins races for Suzuki but, Ping reported the news, corroborated by the agent, a participant in the incident and apparently, the spin cycle is on so high the facts don't matter.

aeffertz wrote:

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen...

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen refused to take a drug test and KTM pulled their offer as a result."

Neither are true. The agent initially questioned why they should have to submit a test but ultimately they still submitted a test. To say that someone refused to take a test weeks after the incident insinuates that a test was never taken and to also add a potential factory ride was revoked as a consequence is just a flat out lie. Please tell me more about this "spin cycle" as it seems you are sticking a finger in both of your ears and singing "la la la" when anyone presents you with the actual facts of what happened. Is everyone else spinning a false narrative or are you strapping on another tin foil hat while insisting that Ping's clickbait and false claims are the real truth?

 

soggy wrote:

Someone here has a brain. 

KONG 2 wrote:

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

KONG 2 wrote:

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

NP301 wrote:

All heil YE!

KONG 2 wrote:

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

CPR wrote:

Funny how everyone’s stories lineup except what Ping put out.

KONG 2 wrote:

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

CPR wrote:

Funny how everyone’s stories lineup except what Ping put out.

team 822 wrote:

Ping is a big DOUCH BAG 

stremme12 wrote:

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can...

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can be discussed. 

stremme12 wrote:

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can...

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can be discussed. 

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Well like it or not that's what a forum moderator does 

stremme12 wrote:

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can...

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can be discussed. 

wreckitrandy wrote:

"Ping posted that Kenny refused the test." Did Kenny's agent not say, "The reason we refused the test."??? So why would you give a reason for...

"Ping posted that Kenny refused the test." Did Kenny's agent not say, "The reason we refused the test."??? So why would you give a reason for refusing if you didn't refuse? Yeah, at some point, it must have been made clear to him the consequences of refusing so, he took the test. You say, "he took the test and passed".... Have you seen the results of the test? It seems that others that were tested waited sometimes for months on results. I don't know. I hope it all works out and he wins races for Suzuki but, Ping reported the news, corroborated by the agent, a participant in the incident and apparently, the spin cycle is on so high the facts don't matter.

aeffertz wrote:

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen...

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen refused to take a drug test and KTM pulled their offer as a result."

Neither are true. The agent initially questioned why they should have to submit a test but ultimately they still submitted a test. To say that someone refused to take a test weeks after the incident insinuates that a test was never taken and to also add a potential factory ride was revoked as a consequence is just a flat out lie. Please tell me more about this "spin cycle" as it seems you are sticking a finger in both of your ears and singing "la la la" when anyone presents you with the actual facts of what happened. Is everyone else spinning a false narrative or are you strapping on another tin foil hat while insisting that Ping's clickbait and false claims are the real truth?

 

soggy wrote:

Someone here has a brain. 

uncledaddy69 wrote:

Nice, the Elon Musk method. 

uncledaddy69 wrote:

Nice, the Elon Musk method. 

Magoofan wrote:

Do you realize the irony in your comment?

uncledaddy69 wrote:

Nice, the Elon Musk method. 

Magoofan wrote:

Do you realize the irony in your comment?

wreckitrandy wrote:

So maybe the agent should have said, 'The reason we initially questioned why...' instead of, "The reason we refused"? If, "The reason we refused" is not...

So maybe the agent should have said, 'The reason we initially questioned why...' instead of, "The reason we refused"? If, "The reason we refused" is not an admission that they, at some point in time, REFUSED,,,, in your world, your so called 'brain' has spun out of your heads. 

wreckitrandy wrote:

So maybe the agent should have said, 'The reason we initially questioned why...' instead of, "The reason we refused"? If, "The reason we refused" is not...

So maybe the agent should have said, 'The reason we initially questioned why...' instead of, "The reason we refused"? If, "The reason we refused" is not an admission that they, at some point in time, REFUSED,,,, in your world, your so called 'brain' has spun out of your heads. 

soggy wrote:

So for maybe 20 minutes in time they did but they did end up taking the test. So when you add it all up they did...

So for maybe 20 minutes in time they did but they did end up taking the test. So when you add it all up they did not refuse the test. 

aeffertz wrote:

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen...

You are blindly ignoring the other half of the story, which is arguably the most important part. Ping reported weeks after this all went down, "Ken Roczen refused to take a drug test and KTM pulled their offer as a result."

Neither are true. The agent initially questioned why they should have to submit a test but ultimately they still submitted a test. To say that someone refused to take a test weeks after the incident insinuates that a test was never taken and to also add a potential factory ride was revoked as a consequence is just a flat out lie. Please tell me more about this "spin cycle" as it seems you are sticking a finger in both of your ears and singing "la la la" when anyone presents you with the actual facts of what happened. Is everyone else spinning a false narrative or are you strapping on another tin foil hat while insisting that Ping's clickbait and false claims are the real truth?

 

soggy wrote:

Someone here has a brain. 

wreckitrandy wrote:

So maybe the agent should have said, 'The reason we initially questioned why...' instead of, "The reason we refused"? If, "The reason we refused" is not...

So maybe the agent should have said, 'The reason we initially questioned why...' instead of, "The reason we refused"? If, "The reason we refused" is not an admission that they, at some point in time, REFUSED,,,, in your world, your so called 'brain' has spun out of your heads. 

stremme12 wrote:

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can...

There's a post about it on Pings forum and his moderator is acting like it can't be talked about there. Like they're filtering what content can be discussed. 

uncledaddy69 wrote:

Nice, the Elon Musk method. 

uncledaddy69 wrote:

Nice, the Elon Musk method. 

Magoofan wrote:

Do you realize the irony in your comment?

uncledaddy69 wrote:

A person buys/starts a social media platform. Said person says they’ll promote absolute freedom of speech. People say things on the platform that makes the owner...

A person buys/starts a social media platform. Said person says they’ll promote absolute freedom of speech. People say things on the platform that makes the owner look bad, then those users get banned/posts deleted. 

Magoofan wrote:

I'm no Musk fan boi....    ....but badmouth your boss in a public forum and see how that goes for you. It's not even close to...

I'm no Musk fan boi....    ....but badmouth your boss in a public forum and see how that goes for you.

It's not even close to the same crap that was happening on that site before he took over. 

 

KONG 2 wrote:

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

thatswhathappens wrote:

This is the worst trolling attempt I’ve ever seen, you can do better that that.

KONG 2 wrote:

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

Funny how everybody thinks Roczen is the "Angel of  the Holy Truth"...

CPR wrote:

Funny how everyone’s stories lineup except what Ping put out.