Since the rmx450 is essentially an rmz450 with an electric start thats detuned a bit and has added headlights, blinkers, speedometer, and softer suspension couldnt hep just build a race bike from the rmx and have an electric start rmz450 for kenny to ride? They could just remove all the extra stuff and they rebuild the engine anyways, so with the frame, race suspension, built engine, and race plastics for all intents and purposes youd have a full race bike rmz450 with electric start.
Is it a politics thing where suzuki only wants them using the race bike that they sell, is it a rules thing where ama says you have to use the race replica, or is it just that the team/riders dont really care enough about it that they dont go through the extra trouble? Id have to imagine its the last one plus on top of that suzuki probably wouldnt be happy giving off the impression something is wrong with the race bike if the race team doesnt even use it.
Ok so that answers it then. Im pretty sure the homoligation rule also says you have to use the stock cases too so they couldnt use an rmx low end on an rmz either. Damn. Thanks for the quick reply with the answer.
Can we get over the electric start thing for Kenny yet? If you stall or crash at a national you’re gonna lose way too much time regardless of if it takes 2 or 20 seconds to start the bike
Bubba just stood up and took his shirt off...
HEP absolutely can add an electric start if Roczen wants one.
(And I think ML already stated this.)
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This is true…and I’m one of the guys that thinks the RMZ is one of the absolute BEST “All Around Dirt Bikes” available. Hell, I even think the LACK of a kickstarter is something that improves it’s “Low Operating Cost” status/it starts SO EASY and you ain’t never buying an over-priced battery!
But…
When you stall late in a moto or main…and your engine is kinda hot and angry? Ain’t nothin’ like that “button” to get the bike started quicker and easier…and…therefore…it get’s you back in the race sooner. We’e seen this on this bike and on this team: the riders stall or crash and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to restart it.
So, for the immediate need/current racing rule scenario, Suzuki could make an E-Start “Kit” and make the numbers necessary for “legal use” in SX/MX/AMA Pro Racing.
As for weight? Reassemble that engine with a good selection of TI parts/fasteners and it’ll be “just fine”. Besides, there are SO MANY…TOO MANY…extra brackets and fasteners on an RMZ that a good engineer could simplify/change some of the designs and use lighter materials to make the bike come into a much lighter “race weight”.
Well the difference between 2 and 18 seconds is pretty large in finishing position at most races.
dude nobody in kenny's corner thinks about this shit more than vet riders on vital
IT. ISN'T. FUCKING. HAPPENING.
This e-start crap is out of control. 10 years ago all of you were yelling at the clouds about e-start on KTM's and how it was weak and "you don't need that" and now a factory rider cannot survive without one and any bike without it is garbage. Amazing how the tide changes.....the same will happen with electric bikes very very soon.
I think Ken enjoys having a kickstart bike.
he has used the nickname “Kickstsrt Kenny” on IG lately.
I also think that money and win bonuses are not solely what drives him at this stage of his career.
if Ken wants electric start, then it will be on that bike soon enough. I’m also fairly confident there will be no objection from the AMA or the other teams.
Let's ban estart and kick start and make the riders bump start their bikes like the good old days.
Terrible annology. If nobody has it, then it's ok if you don't have it. If everyone has it, you should also. Why disadvantage yourself because 10 years ago you didn't need it?
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Couldn’t they use a Rekluse auto clutch and eliminate the stalling issue ?
works pretty great in off-road
It was not an analogy, I was just pointing out so many members here were complaining about e start when it came out. If Ken thought it was an issue, he wouldn't have signed with that team.
Ok, I'll give you it's not an annology. Terrible analysis. To compare what's important in today's equipment to what was important many years ago. But you didn't answer the question, why disadvantage yourself? Should you also use suspension and a carburetor from 20 years ago because it was good enough then?
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I wasn't saying it is not a disadvantage, just saying Ken must not care, or the bike is good enough in other ways, or the check was big enough. I just find it interesting the change in sentiment around e start and how electric bikes will be very well accepted as soon as Honda or others release one.
I think he opted out of E start on his factory Honda when it was first into production. "E-start? We don't need no stinking E-start."
Some of you are so stoned. It's 100% a disadvantage and could 100% cost points. When everybody else has ES and you don't, it's a bummer man, it's a bummer
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It only needs to start once .
Didn’t Ken request a kickstart on his CRF a couple years ago? Also, the dude has biceps for calves… I don’t think he’s too worried about the kickstarter
He opted for kick start before. Brayton won Daytona on a bike w a kick start.
The 2016 through 2018 450 outdoor championships were won with kickstarters as well.
I agree Ken made his decision on the "whole package" but your original post was nothing about that. Just about "how the tide changes" and that was what I was responding to. The tide has changed and if you can add another advantage, you absolutely should. It's all good!
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What have we done the years before the button was added to a dirt bike?
I am wondering how we could even ride in the 80s.
Not on bikes that came equipped from the factory with an e start like those two instances.
Why would a guy who’s removed estart from a crf want to add it to a rmz?
Also McGrath won 72 supercross mains with a kick start bike!!!
explain that one button lovers!!!
/sarcasm
There is no logic to this. I’m saying in the past when the technology was stock they ran an old kickstarter. If we’re going with your logic we might toss on half face helmets since people won races in those also.
These guys don’t get it.
This is worse than the covid talk….
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