2 Stroke National Survey....

Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 7:10am
this is forwarded from john at twostrokemotocross.com.......
Hello Two Stroke Fans, Supporters and Racers, With the success and interest shown in the FMF 2 Stroke Invitational, some people are interested in putting together a complete two stroke series here in the USA. But they need your input. We have created a survey that contains 24 questions and will only take approximately 10 to 15 minutes to complete. Please take a few minutes to do so. http://www.surveygizmo.com/...03/two-stroke-survey Please forward this survey to all of your racing friends or post it to any message boards that you happen to be a member of. Let's keep the two stroke flag flying. This can be a great step forward on that front. Braaaap! John
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That would be sweet!
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this would be sweet, and i just picked up an RM250!
8/26/2009 2:03pm
hell yea it would... please take the time to fill out the survey thanks
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filled it out and passed it around.

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rpk191 wrote:
this would be sweet, and i just picked up an RM250!
I'm picking up my yz250 friday! hell yeah brotha.
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8/26/2009 3:14pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2009 3:20pm
this is forwarded from john at twostrokemotocross.com....... Hello Two Stroke Fans, Supporters and Racers, With the success and interest shown in the FMF 2 Stroke Invitational...
this is forwarded from john at twostrokemotocross.com.......
Hello Two Stroke Fans, Supporters and Racers, With the success and interest shown in the FMF 2 Stroke Invitational, some people are interested in putting together a complete two stroke series here in the USA. But they need your input. We have created a survey that contains 24 questions and will only take approximately 10 to 15 minutes to complete. Please take a few minutes to do so. http://www.surveygizmo.com/...03/two-stroke-survey Please forward this survey to all of your racing friends or post it to any message boards that you happen to be a member of. Let's keep the two stroke flag flying. This can be a great step forward on that front. Braaaap! John
works... done.
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It would be cool if they just got rid of the current 4-stroke nationals and went back to the 125 and 250 classes.
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done
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Filled 'er out.

I recommended a "World" series, with a return of the 500cc premier class.

I wonder if there's enough AFs out there to do it? Hell, I can dream can't I?
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I answered mine realistically and have lots of ideas / suggestions for those in charge.
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Done deal. This would be great for the sport! Deep down everyone is two-stroke at heart. Long Live The Two-Stroke!!!!!!!!
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breck wrote:
I answered mine realistically and have lots of ideas / suggestions for those in charge.
As did I.
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2stroke153 wrote:
Done deal. This would be great for the sport! Deep down everyone is two-stroke at heart. Long Live The Two-Stroke!!!!!!!!
Some people are just bold enough to put it in their display name Smile
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sent it in..hope they can make it fly, be interesting to see what it would take ($$$$) to attract top riders to it and to get some of the former champs /pros to sign on and ride.
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No 200 rule, no age on bikes rule, no weight limit, a 25 thousand claim rule,
no 4 strokes, all new tracks, no AMA or FIM, 16 years and over to ride, 125, 250 and Open.
Start with 4 to 8 tracks, keep it small if need be in the beginning. No mini's.

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8/27/2009 5:39am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:48am
65, 85, 125, 250, Open, A, B, C, and 7-24 young gun class, 25+ 30+ 35+ 40+ 50+ A & B

That way most can ride more than one class.
8/27/2009 5:51am Edited Date/Time 8/27/2009 5:51am
Where is the $$$ coming from to make this turd float?
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I fyou truly are going to do a national championship then there is no need for multiple age or skill level classes. We have that covered in local district racing. I filled out the survey, good luck. I hope you can make it work.
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8/27/2009 6:54am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:48am
My thoughts for the different classes are for 3 reasons.

#1 - safety. throwing everyone in 1 class is dangerous and someone will get hurt when a A rider lands on a lapped C rider. That is why I do not race locally....I am slower than the 40+ A riders and I do not want to get landed on. This alone would stop me from racing their series.....period.


#2 Who wants to travel long distances....pay sign up .....just to get smoked by the A riders? Everyone wants to be competitive in their class.


#3 More classes allow the promoter an opportunity to make more $$ so he can put the show on. If the promoters cant make $$ the show will not go on.
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8/27/2009 6:57am Edited Date/Time 8/27/2009 6:57am
Where is the $$$ coming from to make this turd float?
I am sure part of the reason for the survey is get numbers to approach sponsors for the series. Moto Hose makes hose kits for 2 strokes so I have already offered to help.
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breck wrote:
I answered mine realistically and have lots of ideas / suggestions for those in charge.
JW381 wrote:
As did I.
Me too.
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Bump.

Board admin: sticky, please?

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lumpy790 wrote:
My thoughts for the different classes are for 3 reasons. #1 - safety. throwing everyone in 1 class is dangerous and someone will get hurt when...
My thoughts for the different classes are for 3 reasons.

#1 - safety. throwing everyone in 1 class is dangerous and someone will get hurt when a A rider lands on a lapped C rider. That is why I do not race locally....I am slower than the 40+ A riders and I do not want to get landed on. This alone would stop me from racing their series.....period.


#2 Who wants to travel long distances....pay sign up .....just to get smoked by the A riders? Everyone wants to be competitive in their class.


#3 More classes allow the promoter an opportunity to make more $$ so he can put the show on. If the promoters cant make $$ the show will not go on.
And I agree with all of that for an amatuer series. But and this is a big but. They asked about a national championship not a district amatuer championship. In a national championship you have to qualify to race and the cream rises to the top. There will be no c riders on the track. The promoters will make plenty of money if they get guys like Hambone, Langston and anyone else who can't find a ride in the regular series.
8/27/2009 8:50am
A stand alone Pro class series is not going to pay the bills for 2 stroke only racing. If it is AMA/DMG affiliated, the sanction fee alone is going to make the task difficult ,to say the least.


Honestly, look at how many 2T's have shown up at the invitationals this year. Glen Helen had the closest to a full gate, and the rest of the events were way down on entries.

Manufacturers support will be next to nothing. They are already strapped ,cutting salaries, team support, contingencies,etc. Will the fans support it?


How many riders are going to actually follow a two stroke series across the country, with minimal support? The purses better be good and better pay deep into the field to keep the riders in the series.
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Needs to be a one-class format. Open to all riders, Vet, A, B, Pro. Obviously you will never get a gate full of just Pros. Run at tracks that are safe where the differentiation in speeds don't cause major issues...ex. no huge gaps. No C-riders, the difference is too great.

Use a series of qualifiers, semis and LCQs to get a main event. Add a "B" feature. Similar to local car short tracks.

Lumpy, I can appreciate your points, but that's a lot of the problem with MX today. Everyone thinks they need to have their own special class so they don't get beat by too many people. Back in the day, it was one for all, and it was never really a safety issue. To be in an event like this you'd have to swallow your pride some.

An innovative format like that would be a draw in itself.
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Nice!
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This is the step in the right direction we are looking for. The 4-stroke Nationals were successful because they had good racing at good tracks across the country, that aren't on the National circuit, and they had good AM racing which is very important. If there was something like this, that actually encouraged people to ride and race smokers again, maybe the factories would see more reason to sell them again.
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A stand alone Pro class series is not going to pay the bills for 2 stroke only racing. If it is AMA/DMG affiliated, the sanction fee...
A stand alone Pro class series is not going to pay the bills for 2 stroke only racing. If it is AMA/DMG affiliated, the sanction fee alone is going to make the task difficult ,to say the least.


Honestly, look at how many 2T's have shown up at the invitationals this year. Glen Helen had the closest to a full gate, and the rest of the events were way down on entries.

Manufacturers support will be next to nothing. They are already strapped ,cutting salaries, team support, contingencies,etc. Will the fans support it?


How many riders are going to actually follow a two stroke series across the country, with minimal support? The purses better be good and better pay deep into the field to keep the riders in the series.
Maybe I can shed some light on your concerns.

The idea envisioned is a two day event, Amateur on Saturday and Pro (Pro/Expert) on Sunday. Not sure if the AMA or DMG would be interested in sanctioning the series.Shocked

The Two Stroke Invitationals entries were kept down by the powers that be, every round had enough entries for either full gates or would have required qualifiers. Mostly it was an experiment to gauge interest in two-strokes.

With manufacturers and other sponsors cutting back, (partly because of costly four-stroke stuff not selling and the economy in general) a two-stroke series would offer a less-costly option for racers to compete in.

There are many privateer pros that can't afford to race the 250F class. Between the investment needed to make the bikes competitive and the costs of maintaining such highly tuned machines, very few can do it without a great deal of support.

Will the fans support it? Unknown. That's part of the reason for the survey.

If everything comes together properly, there will be great purses.

Hope this helps.
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bump

Sticky please.

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