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Ing wrote:
Well he sure sounded awfully cocky to me in the pre-race interview. Said that he wouldn't cut any of the championship contenders any slack just because...
Well he sure sounded awfully cocky to me in the pre-race interview. Said that he wouldn't cut any of the championship contenders any slack just because of the points race. Yea, like he thought he was actually going to be up there racing Dungey and Pourcel. I wanted him to do well until I heard the interview. Why would you want to mess with the championship points race when your only racing one race? I'm glad he got his ass handed to him. Retire already.
hahaha, i didn't see the pre race show, but tell me he didn't throw that out there and then come 20th
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8/16/2009 1:15am
oh yeah he said it all right.... i knew he would get killed off the start, but i was still pulling for him to do well
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Come on people. It's K-dub we're talking about here. At least he had the balls to come out for a race and did it in the tougher class. You gotta let some shit slide.
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8/16/2009 1:39am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2009 1:40am
I'm thankful I have not posted in this thread. DOHHH!

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8/16/2009 2:42am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2009 2:42am
450 riders are slow compared to 250 riders Smile
You hit it kid, The truth is there is not a 450 rider racing the Nationals yesterday that could get on the box in the 250F class. Reed is beating the shittiest field of 450 riders ever assembled.
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450 riders are slow compared to 250 riders Smile
RMZ819 wrote:
You hit it kid, The truth is there is not a 450 rider racing the Nationals yesterday that could get on the box in the 250F...
You hit it kid, The truth is there is not a 450 rider racing the Nationals yesterday that could get on the box in the 250F class. Reed is beating the shittiest field of 450 riders ever assembled.
who in the 250 class could get on the box in the 450 class?
This ought to be good
8/16/2009 3:17am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2009 4:34am
450 riders are slow compared to 250 riders Smile
RMZ819 wrote:
You hit it kid, The truth is there is not a 450 rider racing the Nationals yesterday that could get on the box in the 250F...
You hit it kid, The truth is there is not a 450 rider racing the Nationals yesterday that could get on the box in the 250F class. Reed is beating the shittiest field of 450 riders ever assembled.
41NDT wrote:
who in the 250 class could get on the box in the 450 class?
This ought to be good
Pourcel, Dungey, Weimer, Searle, Metcalfe, Barcia, Warton - just to name a few....

I wont be popular for saying this..however:

The AMA 250f class really should be the world championship class, its the deepest, fastest, most competitive mx class in THE WORLD

The AMA 450 class is not fast at all this year- all the top guys minus reed and 5 or 6 exceptions are on borrowed time- there number is almost up compared to the speed that is coming thru from the 250f class...
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8/16/2009 4:53am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:34am
swizcore wrote:
I SUCK at math but I think thats about .25 horses per pound??

Come on Nerd, flex that noggin muscle.
Nerd wrote:
I don't know the equation for that at all. Wouldn't it depend on the ratio of horsepower to weight in the first place? But if you're...
I don't know the equation for that at all. Wouldn't it depend on the ratio of horsepower to weight in the first place?

But if you're right, that's a 15-hp disadvantage. Pretty big on a bike that small.
The equation? Fuck...try common sense to figure it out. It's 8th grade math, at most.



Assuming 40hp for the 250...


40 horsepower/140 pound rider = .286hp/pound.

40 horsepower/200 pound rider = .2hp/ pound.


Doesn't sound like much presented that way. But, that .086 extra is a 30% hp/pound improvement (which is the weight ratio difference as well).




Or you could flip the first two calculations around and figure out how many pounds per horsepower. The 140 pound guy is running 3.5 pounds per horsepower (140/40), where the 200 pound guy is at 5 pounds per horsepower (200/40).


Giving up 1.5 pounds per horsepower is quite a bit. Translate that to horsepower gain, and the 200 pound guy would be on a 57 horsepower bike to be equivalent. So, it'd be like a guy on a de-tuned Service Honda 500 racing against a guy on a 250F....which ain't even close to fair.



You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?
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You guys are funny... funny as in either confused or just misguided. I wish you guys really knew how fast everyone is going. Obviously RMZ and motokiwi don't, or they wouldn't make comments like above. I'm not going to argue back and forth about it, I'm just telling you that you would shit your pants if you had to do a lap fast enough to qualify for a national right now.
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8/16/2009 5:38am
jt $ wrote:
You guys are funny... funny as in either confused or just misguided. I wish you guys really knew how fast everyone is going. Obviously RMZ and...
You guys are funny... funny as in either confused or just misguided. I wish you guys really knew how fast everyone is going. Obviously RMZ and motokiwi don't, or they wouldn't make comments like above. I'm not going to argue back and forth about it, I'm just telling you that you would shit your pants if you had to do a lap fast enough to qualify for a national right now.
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8/16/2009 6:42am
swizcore wrote:
I SUCK at math but I think thats about .25 horses per pound??

Come on Nerd, flex that noggin muscle.
Nerd wrote:
I don't know the equation for that at all. Wouldn't it depend on the ratio of horsepower to weight in the first place? But if you're...
I don't know the equation for that at all. Wouldn't it depend on the ratio of horsepower to weight in the first place?

But if you're right, that's a 15-hp disadvantage. Pretty big on a bike that small.
jtomasik wrote:
The equation? Fuck...try common sense to figure it out. It's 8th grade math, at most. Assuming 40hp for the 250... 40 horsepower/140 pound rider = .286hp/pound...
The equation? Fuck...try common sense to figure it out. It's 8th grade math, at most.



Assuming 40hp for the 250...


40 horsepower/140 pound rider = .286hp/pound.

40 horsepower/200 pound rider = .2hp/ pound.


Doesn't sound like much presented that way. But, that .086 extra is a 30% hp/pound improvement (which is the weight ratio difference as well).




Or you could flip the first two calculations around and figure out how many pounds per horsepower. The 140 pound guy is running 3.5 pounds per horsepower (140/40), where the 200 pound guy is at 5 pounds per horsepower (200/40).


Giving up 1.5 pounds per horsepower is quite a bit. Translate that to horsepower gain, and the 200 pound guy would be on a 57 horsepower bike to be equivalent. So, it'd be like a guy on a de-tuned Service Honda 500 racing against a guy on a 250F....which ain't even close to fair.



You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?
jthomasik wrote: "You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?"

Where does your equation differ from mine? I admit, I suck at math and I still did it the same as you, guess you just have trouble reading.
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8/16/2009 6:48am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2009 6:54am
swizcore wrote:
[b]jthomasik wrote: "You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?"[/b] Where does your equation differ from mine? I admit, I suck at math and I...
jthomasik wrote: "You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?"

Where does your equation differ from mine? I admit, I suck at math and I still did it the same as you, guess you just have trouble reading.
Not you, cupcake. I was talking to the Nerd. Look at who I directly replied to. In fact, I was agreeing with your comment about flexing the noggin' muscle. Your math is ok...but it's YOUR reading comprehension that is now in question. Wink
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I never thought k-dub was going to do anything. In either class actually. No offense to him, because he seems cool, but I've never been overly impressed with Kevin. Sorry, just my opinion.
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swizcore wrote:
[b]jthomasik wrote: "You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?"[/b] Where does your equation differ from mine? I admit, I suck at math and I...
jthomasik wrote: "You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?"

Where does your equation differ from mine? I admit, I suck at math and I still did it the same as you, guess you just have trouble reading.
jtomasik wrote:
Not you, cupcake. I was talking to the Nerd. Look at who I directly replied to. In fact, I was agreeing with your comment about flexing...
Not you, cupcake. I was talking to the Nerd. Look at who I directly replied to. In fact, I was agreeing with your comment about flexing the noggin' muscle. Your math is ok...but it's YOUR reading comprehension that is now in question. Wink
Touche' Smile
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I never thought k-dub was going to do anything. In either class actually. No offense to him, because he seems cool, but I've never been overly...
I never thought k-dub was going to do anything. In either class actually. No offense to him, because he seems cool, but I've never been overly impressed with Kevin. Sorry, just my opinion.
Never been overly impressed with Windham?



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JW381 wrote:
I never thought k-dub was going to do anything. In either class actually. No offense to him, because he seems cool, but I've never been overly...
I never thought k-dub was going to do anything. In either class actually. No offense to him, because he seems cool, but I've never been overly impressed with Kevin. Sorry, just my opinion.
You've obviously never seen him ride in person. The things KW can do on a bike are unreal, and he makes it look easy.
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You've obviously never seen him ride in person. The things KW can do on a bike are unreal, and he makes it look easy.
Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more credit than he fully deserves.
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swizcore wrote:
I SUCK at math but I think thats about .25 horses per pound??

Come on Nerd, flex that noggin muscle.
Nerd wrote:
I don't know the equation for that at all. Wouldn't it depend on the ratio of horsepower to weight in the first place? But if you're...
I don't know the equation for that at all. Wouldn't it depend on the ratio of horsepower to weight in the first place?

But if you're right, that's a 15-hp disadvantage. Pretty big on a bike that small.
jtomasik wrote:
The equation? Fuck...try common sense to figure it out. It's 8th grade math, at most. Assuming 40hp for the 250... 40 horsepower/140 pound rider = .286hp/pound...
The equation? Fuck...try common sense to figure it out. It's 8th grade math, at most.



Assuming 40hp for the 250...


40 horsepower/140 pound rider = .286hp/pound.

40 horsepower/200 pound rider = .2hp/ pound.


Doesn't sound like much presented that way. But, that .086 extra is a 30% hp/pound improvement (which is the weight ratio difference as well).




Or you could flip the first two calculations around and figure out how many pounds per horsepower. The 140 pound guy is running 3.5 pounds per horsepower (140/40), where the 200 pound guy is at 5 pounds per horsepower (200/40).


Giving up 1.5 pounds per horsepower is quite a bit. Translate that to horsepower gain, and the 200 pound guy would be on a 57 horsepower bike to be equivalent. So, it'd be like a guy on a de-tuned Service Honda 500 racing against a guy on a 250F....which ain't even close to fair.



You honestly can't think through this simple math logic?
You made the same mistake swizcore did.

You forgot to include the weight of the motorcycle itself.

Nice try, though. At least you were trying to be condescending even though you were wrong.
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Bob693 wrote:
You've obviously never seen him ride in person. The things KW can do on a bike are unreal, and he makes it look easy.
JW381 wrote:
Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more...
Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more credit than he fully deserves.
Specifically, how much credit do you think he "deserves"?
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Bob693 wrote:
You've obviously never seen him ride in person. The things KW can do on a bike are unreal, and he makes it look easy.
JW381 wrote:
Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more...
Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more credit than he fully deserves.
Nerd wrote:
Specifically, how much credit do you think he "deserves"?
When I say "more credit than he deserves" I just mean it as a general sports saying. I just think he's overrated, and more of a fan favorite, than some legendary winner.

I don't have to be a fan of every rider. I'm not saying he's not more talented than me, or any of my future offspring put together. I'm just saying I think people regard him as a threat before the races, but he never really seems to be one.

Ok, so James Stewart drops out of the SX season in 2008. Reed has complete control of the series, then he crashes. Only after that, is K-Dub a threat. Same with the 2007 Motocross season. I'm glad he can step up, but I'm just saying what I think of the guy.

I started following this sport right when Kevin came on the scene, so I've seen his entire career up to this point. He has had some real high points in his time as a pro rider, and I respect the hell out of him for that. But how many c-ships does he have? I think he has one, maybe two MXdN victories? So does Tedesco. So does Ferry. Why is K-Dub so much more important than them?
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8/17/2009 7:14am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:35am
Nerd wrote:
You made the same mistake swizcore did. You forgot to include the weight of the motorcycle itself. Nice try, though. At least you were trying to...
You made the same mistake swizcore did.

You forgot to include the weight of the motorcycle itself.

Nice try, though. At least you were trying to be condescending even though you were wrong.
Jeezus. Typical Nerd.


Yeah, I didn't include the weight of the bike. Nor did I include the weight of the rider's gear, the actual horsepower of the bikes being compared, the actual weight of the riders being compared....etc., etc., etc. My reply was a math example. Plug in the numbers yourself, ya lazy bastard..
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What about traction!
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Who thought Kdub on a 250 could be competitive in the first place?
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Way to many excuses in this thread. I didn't think he would run up front, but I didn't think he would get a 21st either. It is what it is.

I'm just glad that someone made a decision to try something that we don't normally see in moto.

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing more veterans run the 250F class. I wonder how Mike Alessi would do in that class now that he has upped his game?


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Bob693 wrote:
You've obviously never seen him ride in person. The things KW can do on a bike are unreal, and he makes it look easy.
KW is an awesome rider. Anybody who consistently qualifies for the nationals is head and shoulder above even the fast local pros.
But the KW of today isn't the same hungry as hell KW who came back after breaking his leg. Same deal with DV12. Both challenged RC at one point. But age and family do slow you down a bit.
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8/17/2009 9:17am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2009 9:18am
Good points P and mj.
But to nit pick mj's point, I would change "fast" to fastest. Smile
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Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more...
Thanks for your concern, but I have seen K-Dub in person more than once. Yeah he's ultra smooth, but still, I think people give him more credit than he fully deserves.
Nerd wrote:
Specifically, how much credit do you think he "deserves"?
JW381 wrote:
When I say "more credit than he deserves" I just mean it as a general sports saying. I just think he's overrated, and more of a...
When I say "more credit than he deserves" I just mean it as a general sports saying. I just think he's overrated, and more of a fan favorite, than some legendary winner.

I don't have to be a fan of every rider. I'm not saying he's not more talented than me, or any of my future offspring put together. I'm just saying I think people regard him as a threat before the races, but he never really seems to be one.

Ok, so James Stewart drops out of the SX season in 2008. Reed has complete control of the series, then he crashes. Only after that, is K-Dub a threat. Same with the 2007 Motocross season. I'm glad he can step up, but I'm just saying what I think of the guy.

I started following this sport right when Kevin came on the scene, so I've seen his entire career up to this point. He has had some real high points in his time as a pro rider, and I respect the hell out of him for that. But how many c-ships does he have? I think he has one, maybe two MXdN victories? So does Tedesco. So does Ferry. Why is K-Dub so much more important than them?
Yeah, K-Dub has only won like 15 or 20 supercrosses, another dozen or more Nationals, finished second in probably 10 championships (mostly to Ricky Carmichael), and has been a threat to win in the premier class, indoors and out, for well over a decade.

As for him being "more important" than Ferry or Tedesco, he's not. No one is claiming that he is. If Ferry dropped down to ride a 250F for a weekend just for fun, it would be just as big of a deal.

But Windham is a fan favorite, and the main reason why is because of his personality, and a lot of younger riders can learn a lot from that, I think.
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Nerd wrote:
You made the same mistake swizcore did. You forgot to include the weight of the motorcycle itself. Nice try, though. At least you were trying to...
You made the same mistake swizcore did.

You forgot to include the weight of the motorcycle itself.

Nice try, though. At least you were trying to be condescending even though you were wrong.
jtomasik wrote:
Jeezus. Typical Nerd. Yeah, I didn't include the weight of the bike. Nor did I include the weight of the rider's gear, the actual horsepower of...
Jeezus. Typical Nerd.


Yeah, I didn't include the weight of the bike. Nor did I include the weight of the rider's gear, the actual horsepower of the bikes being compared, the actual weight of the riders being compared....etc., etc., etc. My reply was a math example. Plug in the numbers yourself, ya lazy bastard..
The weight of the gear was assumed to be part of the weight of the rider, and the other stuff, it's not important, because we're only coming up with a ratio. But by leaving out the heaviest part of the bike/rider moving object, you messed up your calculation by more than 50%.

And I already got the calculation earlier, anyway.

You even tried to make it sound like I didn't know what I was talking about in that other thread, which is why I dug this one up. So you're both arrogant and wrong about this.
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Bob693 wrote:
You've obviously never seen him ride in person. The things KW can do on a bike are unreal, and he makes it look easy.
mjskier wrote:
KW is an awesome rider. Anybody who consistently qualifies for the nationals is head and shoulder above even the fast local pros. But the KW of...
KW is an awesome rider. Anybody who consistently qualifies for the nationals is head and shoulder above even the fast local pros.
But the KW of today isn't the same hungry as hell KW who came back after breaking his leg. Same deal with DV12. Both challenged RC at one point. But age and family do slow you down a bit.
It's not a matter of age or family, it's a matter of giving away 60 pounds to his competition, not being used to the bike (so that when he was in traffic, he resorted to his "natural" way of racing, which is to ride the bike like a 450), and then missing the cutoff at the gate for his gate pick in the second moto.

He was third-fastest in practice. That wasn't an accident.
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jt $ wrote:
You guys are funny... funny as in either confused or just misguided. I wish you guys really knew how fast everyone is going. Obviously RMZ and...
You guys are funny... funny as in either confused or just misguided. I wish you guys really knew how fast everyone is going. Obviously RMZ and motokiwi don't, or they wouldn't make comments like above. I'm not going to argue back and forth about it, I'm just telling you that you would shit your pants if you had to do a lap fast enough to qualify for a national right now.
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