Is it ok to cheat?

NorCalRedRyder 10/16/2022 11:06pm
10/16/2022 11:06pm Edited Date/Time 10/16/2022 11:17pm
soggy wrote:
This statement makes you a loser.
Jeff Roberts wrote:
From what I can tell, he’s been that for a whileWink
soggy wrote:
He must be furious.
It takes a lot more than some old guys online shit talking me to get under my skin. I do respect that you two at least talked shit using your actual usernames. You guys are good to go in my book. Respect 👊
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Leeham 10/16/2022 11:18pm
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Respect. With that said I'd rather win doing whatever it takes. Losing at something makes me unbelievably mad. I'll do whatever it takes to win at...
Respect. With that said I'd rather win doing whatever it takes. Losing at something makes me unbelievably mad. I'll do whatever it takes to win at any at anything in my life. I was going to give a thumbs down, but I'd rather man up and put my opinion out there with my username instead of being the cowardly anonymous thumbs down guy.
I downvote. Thats actually so sad haha jesus
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Sandusky26 10/17/2022 12:17am
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My ex ole lady thought it was ok.
inthebadboycorner wrote:
Should I give you a thumbs up because I totally agree, or should I give you a thumbs down because she broke your trust/ heart?
Big thumbs up. I’m back racing again, fuck her.
AceDudemeisterX 10/17/2022 12:19am
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Titan1 wrote:
I’d rather lose playing by the rules than win by cheating.
Make sure you put up a trophy case and when people come over and ask why it’s empty tell them “it isn’t, it’s full of integrity.”

In this case, the bigger the better.
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AceDudemeisterX 10/17/2022 12:31am
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TripleFive wrote:
bending the rules is part of motor racing
Richy wrote:
I don't agree with the practice, but I couldn't agree more with your comment. Cheating in motorsport is, or has been, present at almost all levels...
I don't agree with the practice, but I couldn't agree more with your comment.

Cheating in motorsport is, or has been, present at almost all levels of almost all disciplines.
As with everything. drugs, guns, assault, theft, abuse, etc. Everybody can do it.

At the end of the day, it’s how you live your life and that’s what makes some people different.

If you chose to be the lowest common denominator that’s what you are. Right now there is a political effort to accept these people, to make these people mainstream.

I choose not to be that but also not to associate with it, in my personal or professional life.

You can cheat but don’t be disappointed when you are only surrounded by other cheaters because those that don’t won’t respect you, when they learn who you are.

This is the problem with Star and the Deegan’s.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Depends. I cheat my ass off at monopoly
Some games cheating is expected. I'm originally from Michigan and a popular card game up there is euchre. It's almost expected that you will cheat playing that game and if you are good at it guys kinda respect it.
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TalinH112 wrote:
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting...
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting. Literally every rider in the tours he won was cheating, he was just the best at it! So if you have to cheat to even the playing field with other cheaters is it really cheating? I honestly wonder if he would have won if everyone was on the up and up? How much of an advantage did the cheating provide if everyone was cheating?
Lance was the hotshot, so he took the bullet...pure & simple. Reminds me of the James Stewart debacle.


Oh yeah, to answer the question...no.
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GalagaOnMYArm 10/17/2022 1:14pm
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epicureMX wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/16/573355/s1200_120060118_3102873363155366_4465140426155731994_n.jpg[/img] How about lines like these that develop?

How about lines like these that develop?
Were there track markers? No? Not cheating.
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GrapeApe 10/17/2022 4:03pm
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TalinH112 wrote:
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting...
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting. Literally every rider in the tours he won was cheating, he was just the best at it! So if you have to cheat to even the playing field with other cheaters is it really cheating? I honestly wonder if he would have won if everyone was on the up and up? How much of an advantage did the cheating provide if everyone was cheating?
davistld01 wrote:
Lance was the hotshot, so he took the bullet...pure & simple. Reminds me of the James Stewart debacle.


Oh yeah, to answer the question...no.
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified.

James Stewart tested positive for a banned substance without a TUE.

How are those situations similar, other than they were both cheating?
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Jeff Roberts 10/17/2022 5:01pm
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Agreed. They both cheated no doubt but different circumstances.
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TalinH112 wrote:
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting...
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting. Literally every rider in the tours he won was cheating, he was just the best at it! So if you have to cheat to even the playing field with other cheaters is it really cheating? I honestly wonder if he would have won if everyone was on the up and up? How much of an advantage did the cheating provide if everyone was cheating?
davistld01 wrote:
Lance was the hotshot, so he took the bullet...pure & simple. Reminds me of the James Stewart debacle.


Oh yeah, to answer the question...no.
GrapeApe wrote:
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified. James Stewart tested...
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified.

James Stewart tested positive for a banned substance without a TUE.

How are those situations similar, other than they were both cheating?
Lance also saved countless lives through his foundation.
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JMR1976 wrote:
Cheater bike, cutting the track, where do you call the line?
There is no line.

Never ok to cheat.
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GrapeApe wrote:
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified. James Stewart tested...
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified.

James Stewart tested positive for a banned substance without a TUE.

How are those situations similar, other than they were both cheating?
With that background, Lance should give politics consideration.
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TalinH112 wrote:
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting...
I don’t believe in cheating in anything, not in sports and not on your spouse. Having said that I do find the Lance Armstrong persecution interesting. Literally every rider in the tours he won was cheating, he was just the best at it! So if you have to cheat to even the playing field with other cheaters is it really cheating? I honestly wonder if he would have won if everyone was on the up and up? How much of an advantage did the cheating provide if everyone was cheating?
My understanding is that they took the trophies away from one athlete taking PEDs and gave it to another athlete taking PEDS. If they were all taking PEDs, the competition was fair, and Armstrong should've kept the trophies.
That said, PEDs have no place in our sport, and cheating is stupid. What does a win mean if you cheated? It means nothing.

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ToolMaker 10/17/2022 9:41pm
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bvm111 wrote:
a little context would help… what are you talking about?
JMR1976 wrote:
It’s pretty simple do you cheat?
liver wrote:
How long is a piece of string?
How big is string before it's rope?
NorCalRedRyder 10/17/2022 10:36pm
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Leeham wrote:
I downvote. Thats actually so sad haha jesus
I get it. I have never cheated at racing as It's been a few years since I have raced. I also knew I would never make a penny off of it. But in my line of business and many others in my field, you have to sell what you have to the best of your ability. I've had a great long term run in what I have done. It's not your every day business, but I also played that game good too a tee. I'm happy and enjoy my life. I don't have a single person, other than my dog who dictates my life.
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Leeham wrote:
I downvote. Thats actually so sad haha jesus
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
I get it. I have never cheated at racing as It's been a few years since I have raced. I also knew I would never make...
I get it. I have never cheated at racing as It's been a few years since I have raced. I also knew I would never make a penny off of it. But in my line of business and many others in my field, you have to sell what you have to the best of your ability. I've had a great long term run in what I have done. It's not your every day business, but I also played that game good too a tee. I'm happy and enjoy my life. I don't have a single person, other than my dog who dictates my life.
Your selling that Bobby Brown bullshit at top dollar.
NorCalRedRyder 10/18/2022 2:10am
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Sandusky26 wrote:
Your selling that Bobby Brown bullshit at top dollar.
Lol what the hell is Bobby Brown shit? 😆
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NorCalRedRyder 10/18/2022 2:38am
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soggy wrote:
Lance also saved countless lives through his foundation.
But he cheated? So does that make make him a "loser" like me? I donate $200 to the ASPCA, another $200 to St. Jude.org, and another $200 to my local dog shelter in Humboldt every month. $600 a month. What do you do? You have alotta nerve calling me a loser. Oh but trt Lance in his spandex and Oakley razorblades on his 10 speed is a good guy? You are the definition of a hypocrite.
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Mike_Lawlor 10/18/2022 5:21am
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The only acceptable form of cheating is on your taxes cause fuck them dirty politicians. They waste enough of our hard earned money. Other than that don’t fuckin cheat dude. Put the effort you would put in to cheating in to making yourself actually better at something.
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Chris_Buehler 10/18/2022 5:58am
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Mike_Lawlor wrote:
The only acceptable form of cheating is on your taxes cause fuck them dirty politicians. They waste enough of our hard earned money. Other than that...
The only acceptable form of cheating is on your taxes cause fuck them dirty politicians. They waste enough of our hard earned money. Other than that don’t fuckin cheat dude. Put the effort you would put in to cheating in to making yourself actually better at something.
Hell yeah
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soggy 10/18/2022 6:20am
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
But he cheated? So does that make make him a "loser" like me? I donate $200 to the ASPCA, another $200 to St. Jude.org, and another...
But he cheated? So does that make make him a "loser" like me? I donate $200 to the ASPCA, another $200 to St. Jude.org, and another $200 to my local dog shelter in Humboldt every month. $600 a month. What do you do? You have alotta nerve calling me a loser. Oh but trt Lance in his spandex and Oakley razorblades on his 10 speed is a good guy? You are the definition of a hypocrite.
Yes lance cheated at a sport in which everyone was cheating the same way. But on the upside he did a ton for cancer research. No one is innocent here but I would say his contribution was a net positive to society.
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soggy wrote:
Lance also saved countless lives through his foundation.
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
But he cheated? So does that make make him a "loser" like me? I donate $200 to the ASPCA, another $200 to St. Jude.org, and another...
But he cheated? So does that make make him a "loser" like me? I donate $200 to the ASPCA, another $200 to St. Jude.org, and another $200 to my local dog shelter in Humboldt every month. $600 a month. What do you do? You have alotta nerve calling me a loser. Oh but trt Lance in his spandex and Oakley razorblades on his 10 speed is a good guy? You are the definition of a hypocrite.
Fucking RELAX! Damn man. Maybe smoke some of that shit you sell and calm down 3-4 notches. 😂
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My ex ole lady thought it was ok.
So did mine... I kept the dog, the house and everything in it. She kept what she could fit in her car, and adios!
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GrapeApe 10/18/2022 7:10am
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davistld01 wrote:
Lance was the hotshot, so he took the bullet...pure & simple. Reminds me of the James Stewart debacle.


Oh yeah, to answer the question...no.
GrapeApe wrote:
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified. James Stewart tested...
Lance ruined peoples' lives, threatened everyone around him, and generally treated everyone like shit. His inner circle finally turned on him and testified.

James Stewart tested positive for a banned substance without a TUE.

How are those situations similar, other than they were both cheating?
soggy wrote:
Lance also saved countless lives through his foundation.
Yep, I used to wear the yellow bracelet. Lance is from my home town, graduated high school three years before me. I still occasionally do rides out of the same bike shop where he cut his teeth. There is no question the attention he brought to the sport and to cancer research outweighs the scandal. Plus he convinced Peter La Fleur to rejoin Average Joe's.

I was just responding to Davis saying the way Lance was brought down was similar to James Stewart.
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GrapeApe 10/18/2022 7:15am
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Leeham wrote:
I downvote. Thats actually so sad haha jesus
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
I get it. I have never cheated at racing as It's been a few years since I have raced. I also knew I would never make...
I get it. I have never cheated at racing as It's been a few years since I have raced. I also knew I would never make a penny off of it. But in my line of business and many others in my field, you have to sell what you have to the best of your ability. I've had a great long term run in what I have done. It's not your every day business, but I also played that game good too a tee. I'm happy and enjoy my life. I don't have a single person, other than my dog who dictates my life.
Wait, are you saying that drug dealers cheat at business? Wow that is surprising and disappointing. Next you're going to tell me drug dealers don't pay taxes on their income.
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soggy 10/18/2022 7:18am
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NorCal what does this statement mean

“I have never cheated at racing as it’s been a few years since I raced “

So you cheated all the time when you raced? Are you a goldfish and just can’t remember racing or cheating? Maybe you have amnesia?
motokiwi 10/18/2022 9:08am
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NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Respect. With that said I'd rather win doing whatever it takes. Losing at something makes me unbelievably mad. I'll do whatever it takes to win at...
Respect. With that said I'd rather win doing whatever it takes. Losing at something makes me unbelievably mad. I'll do whatever it takes to win at any at anything in my life. I was going to give a thumbs down, but I'd rather man up and put my opinion out there with my username instead of being the cowardly anonymous thumbs down guy.
Is that you Ricky? hahaha
Jeff Roberts 10/18/2022 9:12am
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NorCal, may we please see your pricing structure? I’m thinking a group buy.
Jeff Roberts 10/18/2022 9:12am
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NorCal, may we please see your pricing structure? I’m thinking a group buy.

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