Leblanc Story: this is why AMA needs under 23 rule

Titan1 wrote:

“lites class”?….I can’t stand that term…worst class name ever.

Hats Off wrote:

Jmart didn't go pro until age 18-19. forkner is getting to the point where would now have to move up under this rule. Sexton obviously has...

Jmart didn't go pro until age 18-19. forkner is getting to the point where would now have to move up under this rule. Sexton obviously has nothing to do with this discussion as he moved up on his own at appropriate age. Same with Eli. Mcadoo is no ones role model for anything. Swoll is just a diversity hire. And i have no idea who Brown even is

Hats Off wrote:

I'm sorry you're so scared to see your favorite 26-30 year old get forced up into the 450 class. I'm sure its a real scary reality...

I'm sorry you're so scared to see your favorite 26-30 year old get forced up into the 450 class. I'm sure its a real scary reality for that guy, too

Leeham wrote:

Dont really have a favorite 250 rider. Just enjoy a deep field with good racing. Doesnt matter if they are 16 or 30. Whats your main...

Dont really have a favorite 250 rider. Just enjoy a deep field with good racing. Doesnt matter if they are 16 or 30.

Whats your main account?

Hats Off wrote:

This is my only account, and i made this account because I'm really getting tired of seeing these kids flunk out with little to no opportunity...

This is my only account, and i made this account because I'm really getting tired of seeing these kids flunk out with little to no opportunity while older guys like hampshire and smith just fester and stagnate burning through a failed season after another.

H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:

Dam you must have hated supercross in the 2000's, they had way gnarlier whoops. Supercross tracks have big whoops, that's literally a main component of a...

Dam you must have hated supercross in the 2000's, they had way gnarlier whoops. Supercross tracks have big whoops, that's literally a main component of a supercross track.

Titan1 wrote:

Hey OP...you may want to give this a read... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/04/571928/s1200_how_to_win_friends.jpg[/img]

Hey OP...you may want to give this a read...

Hats Off wrote:

Who needs enemies with friend's like y'all. I've seen each and every one of you trash riders who don't perform to your expectations, complain about trivial...

Who needs enemies with friend's like y'all. I've seen each and every one of you trash riders who don't perform to your expectations, complain about trivial things, fight within and make futile accusations against each other, and even make threats of violence towards each other.

Honestly this site is not a good site and there are not good people here. When i make a post its because I'm trying to intentionally piss y'all off and provoke fights against each other.

Sully wrote:

[i]"How do you legitimately an in good faith expect a rookie at 17 years old to show up and perform at the exact same level as...

"How do you legitimately an in good faith expect a rookie at 17 years old to show up and perform at the exact same level as some of the 26 year olds out there."

Ask Jett, Jo, Hunter, JMart, Sexton, Eli, Marchbanks, Swoll, Brown, McAdoo, Forkner, etc. They all performed well at 16 - 17 years old against older dudes.

Hats Off wrote:

Jmart didn't go pro until age 18-19. forkner is getting to the point where would now have to move up under this rule. Sexton obviously has...

Jmart didn't go pro until age 18-19. forkner is getting to the point where would now have to move up under this rule. Sexton obviously has nothing to do with this discussion as he moved up on his own at appropriate age. Same with Eli. Mcadoo is no ones role model for anything. Swoll is just a diversity hire. And i have no idea who Brown even is

olds cool wrote:

I was reading this thread and trying to be objective up until you said you don’t even know who Mike Brown is. Sorry but that’s an...

I was reading this thread and trying to be objective up until you said you don’t even know who Mike Brown is. Sorry but that’s an instant DQ.

Leeham wrote:

Nice brand new account. Lame fucking thread.

Leeham wrote:

Nice brand new account. Lame fucking thread.

Leave Us To wrote:

You still clicked on it to add some negativity. To me that's what is lame.

dsc131 wrote:

It's not about "controlling production". We are talking about fucking EMPLOYMENT here. Are you saying that you support age discrimination in the job market? [b]For the...

It's not about "controlling production". We are talking about fucking EMPLOYMENT here. Are you saying that you support age discrimination in the job market?

For the 3rd time, answer my question

Why should older riders get pushed out for younger riders if they are faster? Do they deserve the job more?

Hats Off wrote:

First of all, I clearly articulated an answer to that question in my previous post. And "controlling production" simply alluded to the owners of the race...

First of all, I clearly articulated an answer to that question in my previous post. And "controlling production" simply alluded to the owners of the race teams. I agreed with your point, that in a totally open and free market, the business (or the one controlling production) should and does have absolute say over who he hires.

But again, we're not talking about changing employment rules, or "age based discrimination." We're simply talking about changing the rules of the game, which is a valid and legal thing to do. You can have an age cap, you can have a "points" system like currently in place (which will inevitably favor the injury prone and those that throw away races).

But to answer your question: a third or fourth time: its not about the 18-19 year old being "more deserving" of the job. Its simply a rule for the game, which happens to be better for the sport in general by helping younger riders develop and pushing more depth to the main class which is the 450 class

dsc131 wrote:

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules". You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position...

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules".

You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position at Star Yamaha or a satellite team.

And make no mistake, we are talking about a real JOB here where someone gets to make some money to put food on the table for him and his family or not.

Hats Off wrote:

First of all, I clearly articulated an answer to that question in my previous post. And "controlling production" simply alluded to the owners of the race...

First of all, I clearly articulated an answer to that question in my previous post. And "controlling production" simply alluded to the owners of the race teams. I agreed with your point, that in a totally open and free market, the business (or the one controlling production) should and does have absolute say over who he hires.

But again, we're not talking about changing employment rules, or "age based discrimination." We're simply talking about changing the rules of the game, which is a valid and legal thing to do. You can have an age cap, you can have a "points" system like currently in place (which will inevitably favor the injury prone and those that throw away races).

But to answer your question: a third or fourth time: its not about the 18-19 year old being "more deserving" of the job. Its simply a rule for the game, which happens to be better for the sport in general by helping younger riders develop and pushing more depth to the main class which is the 450 class

dsc131 wrote:

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules". You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position...

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules".

You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position at Star Yamaha or a satellite team.

And make no mistake, we are talking about a real JOB here where someone gets to make some money to put food on the table for him and his family or not.

ando wrote:

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a...

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a trade or degree or start a business that adds value to society.

DonM wrote:

Joined on the 3rd gone on the 4th....what will his next user name be....

Hats Off wrote:

First of all, I clearly articulated an answer to that question in my previous post. And "controlling production" simply alluded to the owners of the race...

First of all, I clearly articulated an answer to that question in my previous post. And "controlling production" simply alluded to the owners of the race teams. I agreed with your point, that in a totally open and free market, the business (or the one controlling production) should and does have absolute say over who he hires.

But again, we're not talking about changing employment rules, or "age based discrimination." We're simply talking about changing the rules of the game, which is a valid and legal thing to do. You can have an age cap, you can have a "points" system like currently in place (which will inevitably favor the injury prone and those that throw away races).

But to answer your question: a third or fourth time: its not about the 18-19 year old being "more deserving" of the job. Its simply a rule for the game, which happens to be better for the sport in general by helping younger riders develop and pushing more depth to the main class which is the 450 class

dsc131 wrote:

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules". You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position...

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules".

You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position at Star Yamaha or a satellite team.

And make no mistake, we are talking about a real JOB here where someone gets to make some money to put food on the table for him and his family or not.

ando wrote:

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a...

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a trade or degree or start a business that adds value to society.

dsc131 wrote:

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules". You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position...

You absolutely are talking about "changing employment rules".

You are wanting to set a rule where someone over a certain age cannot have that paying position at Star Yamaha or a satellite team.

And make no mistake, we are talking about a real JOB here where someone gets to make some money to put food on the table for him and his family or not.

ando wrote:

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a...

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a trade or degree or start a business that adds value to society.

dsc131 wrote:

I gave up MX to do just what you described; went to school and built 2 successful enterprise software businesses to put food on the table...

I gave up MX to do just what you described; went to school and built 2 successful enterprise software businesses to put food on the table and create a good life and opportunities for my family. Before that, I worked for over 10 years in a peach orchard in the blazing heat...still have the calluses on my hands all these years later. Not a coal mine, but close. The point is I know the spectrum of what a "job" is.

I don't know about other sports, but you can't be successful at the professional level in this sport if you don't treat it like a job. Busting your ass everyday to do the best with what you're given is a job. You think these guys love grinding out multiple 45's EVERY day in the hellholes like The Farm and Aldon's and then hitting the gym for 3 hours EVERY day aren't doing that? And doing it day after day and year after year. That's a job to me, even with both my backgrounds.

These riders do not live in the world of dirt bikes that most of us know/knew. Saturdays are glamourous, but Sun-Fri is not, the window of revenue opportunity is not, and the risk being taken is not.

Here's the real bottom line: These are paid employment opportunities. That makes them jobs. Each opportunity goes to person A over person B for a reason. As a business owner I dictate employment decisions based on talent, hard work, and results. Using most any other reason for picking person A over B is bullshit in my book. My point to the OP was simply that anyone that does the hard work that success in this sport requires should not be minimized or excluded by their age.

ando wrote:

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a...

Let’s be real - paid professional athlete positions are not real jobs. If they want a real job to feed their families go and get a trade or degree or start a business that adds value to society.

dsc131 wrote:

I gave up MX to do just what you described; went to school and built 2 successful enterprise software businesses to put food on the table...

I gave up MX to do just what you described; went to school and built 2 successful enterprise software businesses to put food on the table and create a good life and opportunities for my family. Before that, I worked for over 10 years in a peach orchard in the blazing heat...still have the calluses on my hands all these years later. Not a coal mine, but close. The point is I know the spectrum of what a "job" is.

I don't know about other sports, but you can't be successful at the professional level in this sport if you don't treat it like a job. Busting your ass everyday to do the best with what you're given is a job. You think these guys love grinding out multiple 45's EVERY day in the hellholes like The Farm and Aldon's and then hitting the gym for 3 hours EVERY day aren't doing that? And doing it day after day and year after year. That's a job to me, even with both my backgrounds.

These riders do not live in the world of dirt bikes that most of us know/knew. Saturdays are glamourous, but Sun-Fri is not, the window of revenue opportunity is not, and the risk being taken is not.

Here's the real bottom line: These are paid employment opportunities. That makes them jobs. Each opportunity goes to person A over person B for a reason. As a business owner I dictate employment decisions based on talent, hard work, and results. Using most any other reason for picking person A over B is bullshit in my book. My point to the OP was simply that anyone that does the hard work that success in this sport requires should not be minimized or excluded by their age.

ando wrote:

Yes they work damn hard but if feeding a family is a priority or even a consideration there’s far more effective ways to do it. Don’t...

Yes they work damn hard but if feeding a family is a priority or even a consideration there’s far more effective ways to do it.

Don’t get me wrong - the riders should absolutely get as much money as they can bargain for in their contracts; they’d be mad not too.

But let’s not kid ourselves - they are, like most professional athletes, in it for the glory of winning and the lure of the massive paycheck if they reach the pinnacle.