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When Ferrandis came back from injury mid way through the nationals he was starting up front, way better than usual. Didn't seem like many others took note of it, and it wasn't really that significant because he was still far from his top form of 2021 so for one, he wasn't doing much with the starts and secondly, we didn't know the reason for his better starts.

I believe his poor starts are almost entirely because of bike setup, you can see his reaction times are fine when the gate drops, but the bike usually takes a while to get going off the start. I remember back in the 2020 250 season he changed his bike setup at one of later rounds, possibly the last one and he said that it made it the bike better off the starts but worse everywhere else, which resulted in him starting like 20 positions further up the field than usual but also not running the same pace he had been running the rest of the season during the races. So when he was getting better starts in 2022 I thought that it was possible he made those changes to his 450 race bike.

However at the MXoN we saw Ferrandis still get good starts, but also run his 2021 pace or at least close to it. Now there was only 3 races, so not a huge sample size, but if he continues to get those starts and run his regular pace, that is going to be huge. The biggest result of these newfound good starts I think, is that if he has his regular pace and gets good starts during SX, he will be a title contender in my opinion. There were multiple races in supercross last year where Ferrandis was the fastest rider setting the fastest laps, however only finished an unremarkable 5th place or so because he started 17th. If he runs that same pace but starts up front he will win races and could win the championship.

Am I blowing this out of proportion or is this as big of a deal as I think it is? Feels weird that I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet.
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I just think that now the season is over.. 2023 = whole new bike to set up, SX to deal with etc. It’s another full reset
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I think for sure that if DF get's this new bike sorted out, being healthy coming into this year, he should be a contender. I would maybe be a little shocked if he won the SX title, but I think he could/will get some wins. As far as Outdoors, it is a shame that we didn't have him in the mix this past summer. I'm not totally sure that he would've been able to hang all season with Chase and Eli or not. I just don't remember seeing 2 guys gap the field so easily. But at the same time, it feels like I'm selling Dylan short, by saying that. Regardless, I think DF and Chase are the clear favorites outdoors next year. And hopefully we get a summer of good battles again.
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Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts.

Not sure I would yet rate him with Gajser and not yet with Herlings.

He kicked ass in 2021 and looked like the fastest guy on the track at Red Bud.

Although he might, I am not sure he will run at the front of the pack in SX. He certainly will at MX.
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Just stay healthy throughout SX…then the nationals will be a epic….
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Mick 22 wrote:
Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts. Not sure...
Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts.

Not sure I would yet rate him with Gajser and not yet with Herlings.

He kicked ass in 2021 and looked like the fastest guy on the track at Red Bud.

Although he might, I am not sure he will run at the front of the pack in SX. He certainly will at MX.
Lol. Ferrandis is racing, herings isnt, gajser isnt either. Not even racing the same series as. Dylan.
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Mick 22 wrote:
Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts. Not sure...
Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts.

Not sure I would yet rate him with Gajser and not yet with Herlings.

He kicked ass in 2021 and looked like the fastest guy on the track at Red Bud.

Although he might, I am not sure he will run at the front of the pack in SX. He certainly will at MX.
mxb2 wrote:
Lol. Ferrandis is racing, herings isnt, gajser isnt either. Not even racing the same series as. Dylan.
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time.

An interesting thought:

In a series where the five fastest French pro MX'ers all competed, how would they finish?

My guess: Renaux, Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Musqvin.
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Mick 22 wrote:
Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts. Not sure...
Ferrandis obviously has the speed/staying power similar to Eli, Jett and Chase, as well as to that of Febvre, Renaux, Seewar, Vialle and Geerts.

Not sure I would yet rate him with Gajser and not yet with Herlings.

He kicked ass in 2021 and looked like the fastest guy on the track at Red Bud.

Although he might, I am not sure he will run at the front of the pack in SX. He certainly will at MX.
mxb2 wrote:
Lol. Ferrandis is racing, herings isnt, gajser isnt either. Not even racing the same series as. Dylan.
Mick 22 wrote:
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time. An interesting thought: In a...
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time.

An interesting thought:

In a series where the five fastest French pro MX'ers all competed, how would they finish?

My guess: Renaux, Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Musqvin.
Ferrandis would win. Only musquin in his prime has a claim to being better than him
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mxb2 wrote:
Lol. Ferrandis is racing, herings isnt, gajser isnt either. Not even racing the same series as. Dylan.
Mick 22 wrote:
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time. An interesting thought: In a...
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time.

An interesting thought:

In a series where the five fastest French pro MX'ers all competed, how would they finish?

My guess: Renaux, Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Musqvin.
jambalaya wrote:
Ferrandis would win. Only musquin in his prime has a claim to being better than him
Exactly. This isnt ferrandis from his mxgp days.
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9/28/2022 11:48am
High hopes for some potentially great Sexton Vs Ferrandis battles next year. It could be another awesome season between those two, Jett stepping up, hopefully Cianciarulo (please tell me I'm not crazy) and whoever else shows up hungry.
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He needs to get through sx healthy, actually win a main, and build from there. Can't see him as a title contender yet.
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He needs to get through sx healthy, actually win a main, and build from there. Can't see him as a title contender yet.
He literally won the championship. He is a 450 champion. Does that mean nothing
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Is this topic about ferrandis starts?
I wouldn't agree his starts have been better.
He has plenty of good starts in his career.
Look at the stats.
2021 his average start was 5.7
2022 his starts were 1, 12, 13, 12 = 9.5
Mxon his starts were 14, 1= 7.5
Statistical he is worse.
Throughout his career he gets a lot of 7-12 place starts with the a top 3 start about 1/4 of the time.
So his starts are consistent with his career.
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9/29/2022 2:09am
mxb2 wrote:
Lol. Ferrandis is racing, herings isnt, gajser isnt either. Not even racing the same series as. Dylan.
Mick 22 wrote:
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time. An interesting thought: In a...
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time.

An interesting thought:

In a series where the five fastest French pro MX'ers all competed, how would they finish?

My guess: Renaux, Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Musqvin.
jambalaya wrote:
Ferrandis would win. Only musquin in his prime has a claim to being better than him
A healthy febvre would edge Ferrandis imo
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I believe I saw an interview with Ferrandis talking about starting with the metal grate for mxdn, can't remember what he said but maybe that was the reason for his better starts at this event
9/29/2022 5:27am
Ferrandis can win a championship in 2023 if he stays healthy, that’s sure. He is probably the fastest French right now, but makes more mistakes than Renaux. And Renaux is younger, so for next year things may change
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ShipLap wrote:
jemcee wrote:
I've been meaning to ask about that moment but couldn't find the video anywhere haha I reckon Kellen has got it about right
I've been meaning to ask about that moment but couldn't find the video anywhere haha
I reckon Kellen has got it about right
Jett's long stare at Ferrandis is classic.
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Ferrandis is the one person I was very worried about headed into Sunday and he proved why. Without mistakes he was smoking everyone (he made a few mistakes obviously) Jett vs Chase vs Ferrandis is gonna be nuts.
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mxb2 wrote:
Lol. Ferrandis is racing, herings isnt, gajser isnt either. Not even racing the same series as. Dylan.
Mick 22 wrote:
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time. An interesting thought: In a...
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time.

An interesting thought:

In a series where the five fastest French pro MX'ers all competed, how would they finish?

My guess: Renaux, Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Musqvin.
jambalaya wrote:
Ferrandis would win. Only musquin in his prime has a claim to being better than him
ONLY Musqvin in his prime? Bayle who?

Marvin is STILL fast as can be. On any given day, he could STILL beat all the other flying Frenchmen.

The five guys I listed all have world-class-speed
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He needs to get through sx healthy, actually win a main, and build from there. Can't see him as a title contender yet.
jambalaya wrote:
He literally won the championship. He is a 450 champion. Does that mean nothing
In Supercross? No winning an mx title doesn't mean anything in sx. I thought this was about him being a title threat indoors. How many sx mains has he won? Better yet how many sx podiums does he have?
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9/29/2022 8:09am
He seems to run the rear end of his bike jacked up very high (vs the chopper setup thats popular int he states) - I wonder if this impacts his starts
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9/29/2022 6:46pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2022 6:15am
I read/hear everywhere that Dylan this weekend made many mistakes, was out of control, etc.. blablahblah...

He made only one mistake for the whole weekend.
The one during the race 3.

At the start of the race 2, he did not fall at all. Just a rider who falls right ahead of his front rear.
And at the very end of this race, yes he fell, but while he was far ahead of the first rider behind him, he took his chance, somehow safetly, in the last good spot to try a pass. It didn't workout, he fell at very low speed and was able to get back very quick on bike and finish the race without losing any spot.
It was a good attempt, one that he had to make.
His race2 comeback has been fantastic, epic ! (btw, at two or three laps of the checker flag, he stop at the pit to change his goggles)
Two more laps and he would have finished 4th.
Just after, for the race3, obviously he was a bit tired.

The whole weekend, he had been attacking the track as no one else.
His way of riding is brilliant, perfect for the spectators.
And with that, he wins championships.
What more could we ask for !?
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9/29/2022 7:14pm
It's crazy that the overall winner of the MXGP class this year could be considered the 4th best rider from that country. I agree with this ranking as well, even though we haven't seen Vialle on 450s yet and won't for a few more years.

Didn't Ben Watson win the MXGP class at last year's MXoN? I guess he could also be considered the 4th best rider from UK 🇬🇧
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Mick 22 wrote:
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time. An interesting thought: In a...
That is common knowledge. There are two "great" MX series, and injuries happen in both of them all of the time.

An interesting thought:

In a series where the five fastest French pro MX'ers all competed, how would they finish?

My guess: Renaux, Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Musqvin.
IMO
Ferrandis, Febvre, Vialle, Renaux,... Musquin(since two years he doesn't ride in MX, and somehow he is getting old)

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