Hunter on Shimoda Crime

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Edited Date/Time 9/6/2022 4:53pm
I am surprised there are no threads on this. My take is Hunter was in his own head and if he didn't hit him in that corner it would have came anyway. A bit greasy in my opinion, but money was on the line. Hunter seems to be pretty hot headed and being the older/slower brother is something he will have to come to terms with or he will always have issues. IMO
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:13pm
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It wasn’t a T bone. Two guys racing for the line and Shimoda failed to yield for the guy on the inside. It was contact at the same angle while racing for a line. Nothing for hunter to apologize about. This is far from a Barcia T Bone
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philG 9/4/2022 1:14pm
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hopgrower wrote:
I am surprised there are no threads on this. My take is Hunter was in his own head and if he didn't hit him in that...
I am surprised there are no threads on this. My take is Hunter was in his own head and if he didn't hit him in that corner it would have came anyway. A bit greasy in my opinion, but money was on the line. Hunter seems to be pretty hot headed and being the older/slower brother is something he will have to come to terms with or he will always have issues. IMO
You dont race do you ?
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:17pm
9/4/2022 1:17pm
hopgrower wrote:
I am surprised there are no threads on this. My take is Hunter was in his own head and if he didn't hit him in that...
I am surprised there are no threads on this. My take is Hunter was in his own head and if he didn't hit him in that corner it would have came anyway. A bit greasy in my opinion, but money was on the line. Hunter seems to be pretty hot headed and being the older/slower brother is something he will have to come to terms with or he will always have issues. IMO
philG wrote:
You dont race do you ?
Most guys on here have never lined up for a race or haven’t even ridden since the 60’s
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quadzrulebro 9/4/2022 1:20pm
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Harambe Nanny wrote:
It wasn’t a T bone. Two guys racing for the line and Shimoda failed to yield for the guy on the inside. It was contact at...
It wasn’t a T bone. Two guys racing for the line and Shimoda failed to yield for the guy on the inside. It was contact at the same angle while racing for a line. Nothing for hunter to apologize about. This is far from a Barcia T Bone
Actually, if you watch it back whether you think it was justified or not, it was a T-Bone. A T-Bome is when a rider hits another rider with his front tire. Hunter threw his elbow up and rammed Jo’s bike with his front tire. In most of the Barcia altercations, he pushes riders off the track with the side of his bike by putting his bike right where their front tire will be.
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jeffro503 9/4/2022 1:21pm
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It looked like to me that Hunter some what lost his grip a bit on the bike and couldn't get it slowed down. I don't think he meant to hit Jo that hard. Just my opinion.
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:23pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Actually, if you watch it back whether you think it was justified or not, it was a T-Bone. A T-Bome is when a rider hits another...
Actually, if you watch it back whether you think it was justified or not, it was a T-Bone. A T-Bome is when a rider hits another rider with his front tire. Hunter threw his elbow up and rammed Jo’s bike with his front tire. In most of the Barcia altercations, he pushes riders off the track with the side of his bike by putting his bike right where their front tire will be.
Incorrect sir. A T Bone is when the riders make contact at a perpendicular angle
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quadzrulebro 9/4/2022 1:24pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
It looked like to me that Hunter some what lost his grip a bit on the bike and couldn't get it slowed down. I don't think...
It looked like to me that Hunter some what lost his grip a bit on the bike and couldn't get it slowed down. I don't think he meant to hit Jo that hard. Just my opinion.
That’s what I thought until I watched it back. Hunter’s hand almost came off the bars when he rammed Jo. I’m sure 2nd place in the series is worth tens of thousands of dollars, so cleaning Jo out might be justified.
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quadzrulebro 9/4/2022 1:27pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Actually, if you watch it back whether you think it was justified or not, it was a T-Bone. A T-Bome is when a rider hits another...
Actually, if you watch it back whether you think it was justified or not, it was a T-Bone. A T-Bome is when a rider hits another rider with his front tire. Hunter threw his elbow up and rammed Jo’s bike with his front tire. In most of the Barcia altercations, he pushes riders off the track with the side of his bike by putting his bike right where their front tire will be.
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Incorrect sir. A T Bone is when the riders make contact at a perpendicular angle
In racing, a truly perpendicular collision is almost unheard of, so ramming a rider with your front tire is about as close as you’re gonna get.
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hopgrower 9/4/2022 1:29pm
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You are right I don't race anymore. about 8 years since I last lined up. But now that you measured yours and brought your half inch what is your point? Everyone should race like the 51. Anything goes? He he was out of control? I have no problem with a differing point of view, but we can all insult each other all day, doesn't make either of us right but having no point makes you an A hole regardless.
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Bruce372 9/4/2022 1:29pm
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It must have been a "must" situation.
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:31pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
In racing, a truly perpendicular collision is almost unheard of, so ramming a rider with your front tire is about as close as you’re gonna get.
Unheard of? If shimoda had been railing the outside and HLaw had come straight into the apex and made contact at a T shape angle that would be considered a T bone. Very common in SX. Two riders racing for the same line and making contact at the same angle at the entrance to the corner can NEVER be a T bone
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adams189 9/4/2022 1:37pm
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Harambe Nanny wrote:
It wasn’t a T bone. Two guys racing for the line and Shimoda failed to yield for the guy on the inside. It was contact at...
It wasn’t a T bone. Two guys racing for the line and Shimoda failed to yield for the guy on the inside. It was contact at the same angle while racing for a line. Nothing for hunter to apologize about. This is far from a Barcia T Bone
There is no rule on who should “yield” in MX. There not trying to get on the freeway…
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bvm111 9/4/2022 1:37pm
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dude it was spicy as shit and you can tell by huntahs body language he knows it was. All this “his hand came off” excuses are just that excuses. He ran down some one, that was a friend , that has raced him cleanly all season as he unraveled under the pressure from his little brother who admitted would let him “buy” to gain points on his friend “sushi”. Huntah acted like a child a few weeks ago and now they both do this… lost a ton of respect for him. I hope Sushi becomes a Ninja and remembers this and reacts in kind the next time they are on the track. Go eat some donuts!
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1911 9/4/2022 1:39pm
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I am just here to see this guy show up. With a spread sheet and a frame by frame breakdown of the incident. To explain exactly what happed, and who’s fault it was.

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hopgrower 9/4/2022 1:39pm
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Not a T bone but coming in from behind into the same line at the same time is aggressive at the least, reckless in my opinion. If Joe had used this tactic on Jett the internet would have broken.
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:39pm
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adams189 wrote:
There is no rule on who should “yield” in MX. There not trying to get on the freeway…
Obviously there is not a rule who should yield, but when someone has the inside line or a handlebar on you, you have to yield by force majeur. In this situation Shinoda had the edge, but he was on the outside and hunter held it on. Still fair game racing for a line, and definitely not a T bone or even a dirty move
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adams189 9/4/2022 1:41pm
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Friends aside, I like that Hunter owned up to it. This was not a Barcia on Mookie crime. Lines came together and Sushi went down. A little dirty? Maybe… if you were racing for a bonus ( don’t know the amount, 100K let’s call it) anyone on these forums would do the same thing. Jett said after the first moto if he knew it was Hunter he would have let him pass him for the points. There’s that too!
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:43pm
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It all goes back to the age old debate. Is MX a contact sport or not? It used to be, but it may not be anymore per the rules. The rules on aggressive riding are arbitrary at best. True T bones are not allowed now, but contact made racing for an inside line is still permitted. We need to narrow these debates from “who’s right and whose wrong” to “was this pass/contact within the rules.” I think rules regarding aggressive racing are too arbitrary and lead us to these debates
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Magoofan 9/4/2022 1:44pm
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Yes....I was shocked there was no "burn Hunter at the stake" thread on this. If it was Barcia, this place would be in full meltdown mode.

Hunter did what he had to do.

Not sure what the poster was getting at talking about people who haven't raced since the 60's....does that make them irrelevant somehow? For the record, I have raced and it was in the 80's. Back when people weren't afraid to trade some paint and get a little rough. Which is exactly why I like Barcia.

Good move for Hunter yesterday.

It's racing, there is money and contracts on the line.



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So a V Bone?
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mb60 9/4/2022 1:46pm
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Im amazed at some of the stupid crap I read on Vital. Shimoda failed to yield the inside line while he was already in the rut. Lmao
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Warlock 9/4/2022 1:46pm
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Looked to me like Hunter's inside line was faster and they both dropped into the same rut almost side by side and Joe got bounced to the outside. Oh and it was "let Brock bye." Keith misspelled Broc and by. Cool
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Magoofan 9/4/2022 1:47pm
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adams189 wrote:
There is no rule on who should “yield” in MX. There not trying to get on the freeway…
But....but....but.... you're supposed to ask nicely and not make any contact. This is the kinder-gentler generation of MX/SX. Wink

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bvm111 9/4/2022 1:49pm
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i’m a child of the 70s and 80s and all for a good block pass … but be a man and admit it!
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Mavetism 9/4/2022 1:50pm
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Magoofan wrote:
Yes....I was shocked there was no "burn Hunter at the stake" thread on this. If it was Barcia, this place would be in full meltdown mode...
Yes....I was shocked there was no "burn Hunter at the stake" thread on this. If it was Barcia, this place would be in full meltdown mode.

Hunter did what he had to do.

Not sure what the poster was getting at talking about people who haven't raced since the 60's....does that make them irrelevant somehow? For the record, I have raced and it was in the 80's. Back when people weren't afraid to trade some paint and get a little rough. Which is exactly why I like Barcia.

Good move for Hunter yesterday.

It's racing, there is money and contracts on the line.



I think the biggest difference is.. Hunter did it once, Barcia does it 15 times per year.

If Jett would even give up the race win to let Hunter by, I guess the bonus for second place in the championship is worth more than a overall win bonus. It was in the heat of the moment, Hunter probably regrets it already.

I'm just sad it happened to Shimoda, one of the nicest guys ever! Day still turned around good for him, he crushed it second moto.

I think they will move on and so should we fans.
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Harambe Nanny 9/4/2022 1:52pm
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So a V Bone?
A very narrow V bone. Called motocross racing. Those making the “If it was barcia you would burn him at the stake” Dude, barcia literally hit people at speed with no brakes at a perpendicular angle in SX. At budds he went off the track and hit the champ so hard the guy will probably have back problems for life. Stop comparing legit racing incidents to egregious clown behavior
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philG 9/4/2022 1:53pm
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You are right I don't race anymore. about 8 years since I last lined up. But now that you measured yours and brought your half inch...
You are right I don't race anymore. about 8 years since I last lined up. But now that you measured yours and brought your half inch what is your point? Everyone should race like the 51. Anything goes? He he was out of control? I have no problem with a differing point of view, but we can all insult each other all day, doesn't make either of us right but having no point makes you an A hole regardless.
Shimoda catches a bump at the top of the hill, , and goes off to the right slightly, as Hunter gets a good run over the top, and goes for the gap that at that point is half the track wide.

As Shimoda gathers it up he races back to the inside to cover off the line but at that point, Hunter has already committed, and is also going downhill , at rate, he cant just back out of it , because he is already there and Shimoda comes across and shuts the door .

Racing incident at best ,and if not, Shimoda has to shoulder some blame, as he made the mistake and open the door.

And i am a Shimoda fan, but he should have let it go , maybe had he not realised he was so close, he might have not risked the contact.

And if Hunter hadnt have gone for it , he may as well not line up for the race.

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Magoofan 9/4/2022 1:54pm
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Mavetism wrote:
I think the biggest difference is.. Hunter did it once, Barcia does it 15 times per year. If Jett would even give up the race win...
I think the biggest difference is.. Hunter did it once, Barcia does it 15 times per year.

If Jett would even give up the race win to let Hunter by, I guess the bonus for second place in the championship is worth more than a overall win bonus. It was in the heat of the moment, Hunter probably regrets it already.

I'm just sad it happened to Shimoda, one of the nicest guys ever! Day still turned around good for him, he crushed it second moto.

I think they will move on and so should we fans.
Agree...I hated seeing Jo put on the ground.

....but it's racing.

....and yes, Barcia races aggressively and does this kind of thing regularly... most times I have no issue with it.
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chasetwo79 9/4/2022 1:55pm
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I think the move would’ve been just fine if it was Moto 2 and it was an actual place differentiator.

It helped him for sure, but he was still 4 points down in Moto 2. What was he expecting? Joe to just let himself get taken out again?

If you have to take someone out to end up on the box of a championship, that’s fine. Just don’t do it a Moto early and then get fucking smoked in Moto 2.
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