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Ryan625 wrote:

This is the only season in recent history that finally tops the farewell season for RC when he bested JS7 one last time, and man those...

This is the only season in recent history that finally tops the farewell season for RC when he bested JS7 one last time, and man those guys were going so fast in that 06 season! Watching them in person at Washougal, it just didn't make sense how they went that fast.

And lets not forget Tomac has already said this is the gnarliest pace he's ever had to push outdoors.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

How do you know Dylan didn't get faster?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.

Gungadin wrote:

450 power should negate that imo.

Chris_Buehler wrote:

Stop man

-MAVERICK- wrote:

How do you know Dylan didn't get faster?

kpiper wrote:

1) Because no one was battling with DF last year like Chase and Eli have been going at it this year. Pushing each other to a...

1) Because no one was battling with DF last year like Chase and Eli have been going at it this year. Pushing each other to a higher level much as RC4 and JS7 did.

2) Eli says this is the fastest pace he has ever gone and Eli easily beat DF in several motos last year. Which was a subpar year for Tomac.

mx313 wrote:

It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that...

It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that are faster or as fast as the comparable 450 race.
I'm not 100 percent convince chase and eli have taken another gear.
I reckon 2021 df would have beat these 2.
Eli is similar speed to previous years.
Chase has stepped up.
Anderson isn't much faster then previously.
Look at Kenny if his 1st 4 laps is the same speed as 2016 speed but he cannot maintain it. Then 2016 Kenny would blow these guys away.
This battle is amazing but I don't think these guys are on some jesus level. Same eli better chase and no other good competition makes these guys look like they have found a new level.

kpiper wrote:

There is no way DF14 would have beaten these guys even if he came in fully healthy in my opinion. And how do you know Eli...

There is no way DF14 would have beaten these guys even if he came in fully healthy in my opinion. And how do you know Eli is not going faster? Eli says he is going the fastest he ever has.

One thing for sure, if Chase had not stepped it up Eli would have won the title already in a cakewalk. Even if Eli does not win it is very impressive for his first year on the YZ.

mx313 wrote:

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as...

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as it's the only thing u can compare.
Somehow last year and this year jetts total race time was within a 0.2sec and his best lap time was 0.1 different. So both 1st motos were almost exactly the same.



The 450 1st moto yesterday was 17 seconds slower then last year and best lap time 1second slower.




I just don't think eli and chase are riding at this new God like level some ppl are claiming.
Eli might be like 2018 eli and chase has stepped up to match him.
We have seen eli beaten b4 but why??
I think if some1 is basically the same speed you try harder to get them. If they are 10 seconds up the track you ride your own pace. These 2 are evenly matched so there pushing each other coz a second here or there is a difference in winning or loosing.
21df and 16 kenny would have gapped these 2 and did gap eli so eli didn't push to win coz pushing would have still resulted in 2nd.

mx313 wrote:

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as...

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as it's the only thing u can compare.
Somehow last year and this year jetts total race time was within a 0.2sec and his best lap time was 0.1 different. So both 1st motos were almost exactly the same.



The 450 1st moto yesterday was 17 seconds slower then last year and best lap time 1second slower.




I just don't think eli and chase are riding at this new God like level some ppl are claiming.
Eli might be like 2018 eli and chase has stepped up to match him.
We have seen eli beaten b4 but why??
I think if some1 is basically the same speed you try harder to get them. If they are 10 seconds up the track you ride your own pace. These 2 are evenly matched so there pushing each other coz a second here or there is a difference in winning or loosing.
21df and 16 kenny would have gapped these 2 and did gap eli so eli didn't push to win coz pushing would have still resulted in 2nd.

mx313 wrote:

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as...

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as it's the only thing u can compare.
Somehow last year and this year jetts total race time was within a 0.2sec and his best lap time was 0.1 different. So both 1st motos were almost exactly the same.



The 450 1st moto yesterday was 17 seconds slower then last year and best lap time 1second slower.




I just don't think eli and chase are riding at this new God like level some ppl are claiming.
Eli might be like 2018 eli and chase has stepped up to match him.
We have seen eli beaten b4 but why??
I think if some1 is basically the same speed you try harder to get them. If they are 10 seconds up the track you ride your own pace. These 2 are evenly matched so there pushing each other coz a second here or there is a difference in winning or loosing.
21df and 16 kenny would have gapped these 2 and did gap eli so eli didn't push to win coz pushing would have still resulted in 2nd.

mingham97 wrote:

This is brilliant 👍 Although, Eli had to pass Dungey, Barcia, Mcelrath, Craig, Roczen and Sexton, yet only finished the entire 17 laps 17 seconds slower...

This is brilliant 👍
Although, Eli had to pass Dungey, Barcia, Mcelrath, Craig, Roczen and Sexton, yet only finished the entire 17 laps 17 seconds slower than ferrandis (who got the hole shot and checked out).

Comparing these two races is like comparing the 1500m run with the 1500m hurdles in a sense.

cheesehead420 wrote:

Best season of the modern era I would say, with last year’s mxgp a very close second

mx313 wrote:

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as...

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as it's the only thing u can compare.
Somehow last year and this year jetts total race time was within a 0.2sec and his best lap time was 0.1 different. So both 1st motos were almost exactly the same.



The 450 1st moto yesterday was 17 seconds slower then last year and best lap time 1second slower.




I just don't think eli and chase are riding at this new God like level some ppl are claiming.
Eli might be like 2018 eli and chase has stepped up to match him.
We have seen eli beaten b4 but why??
I think if some1 is basically the same speed you try harder to get them. If they are 10 seconds up the track you ride your own pace. These 2 are evenly matched so there pushing each other coz a second here or there is a difference in winning or loosing.
21df and 16 kenny would have gapped these 2 and did gap eli so eli didn't push to win coz pushing would have still resulted in 2nd.

mingham97 wrote:

This is brilliant 👍 Although, Eli had to pass Dungey, Barcia, Mcelrath, Craig, Roczen and Sexton, yet only finished the entire 17 laps 17 seconds slower...

This is brilliant 👍
Although, Eli had to pass Dungey, Barcia, Mcelrath, Craig, Roczen and Sexton, yet only finished the entire 17 laps 17 seconds slower than ferrandis (who got the hole shot and checked out).

Comparing these two races is like comparing the 1500m run with the 1500m hurdles in a sense.

mx313 wrote:

So hypothetically if 21 ferrandis holeshotted ironman and eli started in 7th. Eli would have got into 2nd place and ferrandis would have been 17 seconds...

So hypothetically if 21 ferrandis holeshotted ironman and eli started in 7th. Eli would have got into 2nd place and ferrandis would have been 17 seconds up the track.
I'm not trying to start a war.
I just don't believe these 2 are on an insane new level. Yea there riding great and it an awesome battle. But the 450 class isn't that strong. Look at the top 10.
3rd Anderson was winless now have 2 career wins. And has the most points he has ever scored with 2 rounds to go.
4th Kenny. He is faster the eli and chase until lap 4 then he dies.
5th Christians Craig. Most points he has ever scored by a mile.
6th dungey 5 years into retirement.
7th and 8th plessinger and barcia. Both are way off this season.
9th and 10th savagty and mcelrath. Both fill ins.
Missing riders and recently retired
Ferrandis, ac, webb, marv, Osborne,
All 5 of those riders are/were faster then Anderson.

Steve125 wrote:

Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??

Gungadin wrote:

Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

I think a healthy Ferrandis would have been mixing it up with these guys .

chadder44 wrote:

I know what you are trying to do but it just doesn't work year to year. Look at the 2nd motos in the 250 class. You...

I know what you are trying to do but it just doesn't work year to year. Look at the 2nd motos in the 250 class. You really think all those guys took a step back this year? Shimoda holeshot and got 3rd last year, and would still have beat himself this year by 10 seconds. To me, that seems very hard to believe. This track was gnarly this year and Shimoda is better than ever.

Also, I think we all got cheated by not having Dylan there this year. I have no idea how he would be doing, but nothing would surprise me after what he did last summer.

Finally, 250s are clearly easier to ride, and easier to run top level lap times for most people. That's part of the challenge of riding pro in the 450 class. The bikes are so hard to ride at the pace Eli, Chase, Dylan, and Herlings can ride them. It wouldnt shock me if even those 4 guys would ride 250s faster most of the time. Every year we see 250s run amazing times on certain tracks and certain conditions. And sometimes we see top 250 guys come up and run the pace on a 450 as well. But running the pace and doing what Chase and Eli are doing EVERY LAP, EVERY WEEK is just not the same thing.

mx313 wrote:

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as...

I just had a look at last year's ironman results and compared it to this year. To see the difference between the 250s and 450s as it's the only thing u can compare.
Somehow last year and this year jetts total race time was within a 0.2sec and his best lap time was 0.1 different. So both 1st motos were almost exactly the same.



The 450 1st moto yesterday was 17 seconds slower then last year and best lap time 1second slower.




I just don't think eli and chase are riding at this new God like level some ppl are claiming.
Eli might be like 2018 eli and chase has stepped up to match him.
We have seen eli beaten b4 but why??
I think if some1 is basically the same speed you try harder to get them. If they are 10 seconds up the track you ride your own pace. These 2 are evenly matched so there pushing each other coz a second here or there is a difference in winning or loosing.
21df and 16 kenny would have gapped these 2 and did gap eli so eli didn't push to win coz pushing would have still resulted in 2nd.

mingham97 wrote:

This is brilliant 👍 Although, Eli had to pass Dungey, Barcia, Mcelrath, Craig, Roczen and Sexton, yet only finished the entire 17 laps 17 seconds slower...

This is brilliant 👍
Although, Eli had to pass Dungey, Barcia, Mcelrath, Craig, Roczen and Sexton, yet only finished the entire 17 laps 17 seconds slower than ferrandis (who got the hole shot and checked out).

Comparing these two races is like comparing the 1500m run with the 1500m hurdles in a sense.

mx313 wrote:

So hypothetically if 21 ferrandis holeshotted ironman and eli started in 7th. Eli would have got into 2nd place and ferrandis would have been 17 seconds...

So hypothetically if 21 ferrandis holeshotted ironman and eli started in 7th. Eli would have got into 2nd place and ferrandis would have been 17 seconds up the track.
I'm not trying to start a war.
I just don't believe these 2 are on an insane new level. Yea there riding great and it an awesome battle. But the 450 class isn't that strong. Look at the top 10.
3rd Anderson was winless now have 2 career wins. And has the most points he has ever scored with 2 rounds to go.
4th Kenny. He is faster the eli and chase until lap 4 then he dies.
5th Christians Craig. Most points he has ever scored by a mile.
6th dungey 5 years into retirement.
7th and 8th plessinger and barcia. Both are way off this season.
9th and 10th savagty and mcelrath. Both fill ins.
Missing riders and recently retired
Ferrandis, ac, webb, marv, Osborne,
All 5 of those riders are/were faster then Anderson.