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Edited Date/Time 8/31/2022 7:53am
The lap by Eli was un-fucking-believable!
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motoxxx599 wrote:
The lap by Eli was un-fucking-believable!
Yea I feel dumb for thinking Eli had nothing for Chase. After watching Chase catch and pass him these last few times I figured Eli just couldn't do it. Was a pretty pleasant surprise to see him drop the hammer and get after it. Really should not have even been a surprise, though.
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Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??
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that pass around the outside moto 1 was the stuff of legends
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ohhellnah 8/27/2022 2:02pm
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To be able to uncork a 1 lap push at the end of the moto for the championship is yeah no for sure
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ohhellnah wrote:
To be able to uncork a 1 lap push at the end of the moto for the championship is yeah no for sure
He took the measure of him and put a second into him while letting it really hang out.
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We will be still talking about this season in 10 years!
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Best season of the modern era I would say, with last year’s mxgp a very close second
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Steve125 wrote:
Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
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jbonemalone 8/28/2022 7:30am
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I’m more amazed at how clean they race each other.
Not once all season have we seen any even borderline rough racing.
Just clean, super fast , ludicrous speed. All year.
This has been a master class by these two.
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Dirty Points 8/28/2022 7:31am
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Steve125 wrote:
Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??
Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
First moto of the day?
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jbonemalone wrote:
I’m more amazed at how clean they race each other. Not once all season have we seen any even borderline rough racing. Just clean, super fast...
I’m more amazed at how clean they race each other.
Not once all season have we seen any even borderline rough racing.
Just clean, super fast , ludicrous speed. All year.
This has been a master class by these two.
And yet people in here will say rubbin is racing to justify Barcias shit on track.

The top riders have proven the last years that they can race clean and fair instead of doing dirty riding.
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Steve125 wrote:
Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??
Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
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Gungadin 8/28/2022 8:12am
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Steve125 wrote:
Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??
Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
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Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
450 power should negate that imo.
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
Gungadin wrote:
450 power should negate that imo.
Once the track's rough and you can't carry momentum everywhere is exactly when the 450 power advantage arises.

The fastest you'll ever feel is on a 125 on a track with good lines where you can just lean it and rail corners.
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It’s been an insane year! My chicks a big Tomac fan and I told her last night that she’s totally getting spoiled for her first year of following the nationals. Can’t wait to talk about this shit years from now.
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JDirt 8/28/2022 8:31am
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450 power should also negate the traction losses by the track drying up lol.

I'm glad there are 2 riders so closely matched, like before JS7 RC would just check out and meh for the moto and clenching early.
Next week the winner takes all and its funking fenominal!
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Coming down to one race at Pala, winner takes all. C Pourcel should be guest announcer.
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
Gungadin wrote:
450 power should negate that imo.
And Justin Cooper had a faster lap time Than all of them in qualifying. Therefore Justin Cooper is the best. What the hell does this have to do with the thread?
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Gungadin 8/28/2022 9:08am
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USA wrote:
And Justin Cooper had a faster lap time Than all of them in qualifying. Therefore Justin Cooper is the best. What the hell does this have...
And Justin Cooper had a faster lap time Than all of them in qualifying. Therefore Justin Cooper is the best. What the hell does this have to do with the thread?
Race times help establish relativity and perspective.

Now that you mention it though do you think it is strange that Justin Cooper often qualifies 2 or 3 or even more seconds faster than he can race?
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USA wrote:
And Justin Cooper had a faster lap time Than all of them in qualifying. Therefore Justin Cooper is the best. What the hell does this have...
And Justin Cooper had a faster lap time Than all of them in qualifying. Therefore Justin Cooper is the best. What the hell does this have to do with the thread?
Gungadin wrote:
Race times help establish relativity and perspective. Now that you mention it though do you think it is strange that Justin Cooper often qualifies 2 or...
Race times help establish relativity and perspective.

Now that you mention it though do you think it is strange that Justin Cooper often qualifies 2 or 3 or even more seconds faster than he can race?
There have always been rabbits in racing...guys who are blazing fast for a few laps but can't do it a whole moto. Kenny is one too.
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JDub067 wrote:
We will be still talking about this season in 10 years!
Reminds me of the RV v BT ‘07 season except they were both young pups!
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
Gungadin wrote:
450 power should negate that imo.
Stop man
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JDirt 8/28/2022 1:53pm
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Yeah like most of us including me. I'll spend it all trying to keep up with a fast kid for a lap and a half, then Im off the track because I can't hang onto the bars anymore lol
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Steve125 wrote:
Chase puts in the work, rises to Eli's Beast mode level, Eli finds yet another gear.. Warp Zone??
Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
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Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that are faster or as fast as the comparable 450 race.
I'm not 100 percent convince chase and eli have taken another gear.
I reckon 2021 df would have beat these 2.
Eli is similar speed to previous years.
Chase has stepped up.
Anderson isn't much faster then previously.
Look at Kenny if his 1st 4 laps is the same speed as 2016 speed but he cannot maintain it. Then 2016 Kenny would blow these guys away.
This battle is amazing but I don't think these guys are on some jesus level. Same eli better chase and no other good competition makes these guys look like they have found a new level.
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Chris_Buehler 8/28/2022 3:03pm
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Gungadin wrote:
Jett's best lap Moto 1 was faster than Eli's and Chases.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
mx313 wrote:
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that...
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that are faster or as fast as the comparable 450 race.
I'm not 100 percent convince chase and eli have taken another gear.
I reckon 2021 df would have beat these 2.
Eli is similar speed to previous years.
Chase has stepped up.
Anderson isn't much faster then previously.
Look at Kenny if his 1st 4 laps is the same speed as 2016 speed but he cannot maintain it. Then 2016 Kenny would blow these guys away.
This battle is amazing but I don't think these guys are on some jesus level. Same eli better chase and no other good competition makes these guys look like they have found a new level.
We always see a fast 250 guy put up hot laps. Bubba used to put beat RC's 250 times on a 125. He must have never lost a race on a big bike then right? You want to bring up competition? Who did 2016 Kenny beat? Tomac coming off double shoulder surgery, Marv's first year on a 450, and Barcia. Who did Dylan beat last year that's any better than the current field? He beat a Tomac who only felt like racing on certain days. Chase is hanging with a more dangerous than ever Tomac. One that gets starts
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kpiper 8/28/2022 3:06pm
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mx313 wrote:
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that...
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that are faster or as fast as the comparable 450 race.
I'm not 100 percent convince chase and eli have taken another gear.
I reckon 2021 df would have beat these 2.
Eli is similar speed to previous years.
Chase has stepped up.
Anderson isn't much faster then previously.
Look at Kenny if his 1st 4 laps is the same speed as 2016 speed but he cannot maintain it. Then 2016 Kenny would blow these guys away.
This battle is amazing but I don't think these guys are on some jesus level. Same eli better chase and no other good competition makes these guys look like they have found a new level.
There is no way DF14 would have beaten these guys even if he came in fully healthy in my opinion. And how do you know Eli is not going faster? Eli says he is going the fastest he ever has.

One thing for sure, if Chase had not stepped it up Eli would have won the title already in a cakewalk. Even if Eli does not win it is very impressive for his first year on the YZ.
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mx313 8/28/2022 4:43pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure the smoother track had nothing to do with that.
mx313 wrote:
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that...
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that are faster or as fast as the comparable 450 race.
I'm not 100 percent convince chase and eli have taken another gear.
I reckon 2021 df would have beat these 2.
Eli is similar speed to previous years.
Chase has stepped up.
Anderson isn't much faster then previously.
Look at Kenny if his 1st 4 laps is the same speed as 2016 speed but he cannot maintain it. Then 2016 Kenny would blow these guys away.
This battle is amazing but I don't think these guys are on some jesus level. Same eli better chase and no other good competition makes these guys look like they have found a new level.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
We always see a fast 250 guy put up hot laps. Bubba used to put beat RC's 250 times on a 125. He must have never...
We always see a fast 250 guy put up hot laps. Bubba used to put beat RC's 250 times on a 125. He must have never lost a race on a big bike then right? You want to bring up competition? Who did 2016 Kenny beat? Tomac coming off double shoulder surgery, Marv's first year on a 450, and Barcia. Who did Dylan beat last year that's any better than the current field? He beat a Tomac who only felt like racing on certain days. Chase is hanging with a more dangerous than ever Tomac. One that gets starts
I'm not saying Kenny had opposition.
I'm saying if 2022 Kenny in the 1st 3-4laps is the speed Kenny had pre injury. But he could carry that speed the whole moto. Better stamina. Then 2016 Kenny would smoke these 2. Even in 2022 Kenny could have a claim for being the fastest on the track. But only for 7-8 minutes.

I know comparing races isn't accurate.
But the 250 guys for the whole moto is pretty comparable to the 450s. Not just 1 lap. Both moto 1 races this weekend. The 1st place in the 250s. His first 11 laps were all faster then Eli's. Then had a lead so didn't have to push.

Last year I feel like df was consistently faster then the 250s.
But comparing both classes isn't perfect. But it's the only thing we can compare.
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mx313 8/28/2022 4:47pm
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I just think when 2 guys push each other in the moto they gap 3rd place by 30-60seconds..
1 when guy is winning they get a 10sec lead and don't have to push.
So this year's racing is great but I don't think they are on a level way above previous champions who were not pushed.
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mx313 wrote:
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that...
It's really hard to compare different motos and class as the track changes so much. But there's been a lot of 250 races this year that are faster or as fast as the comparable 450 race.
I'm not 100 percent convince chase and eli have taken another gear.
I reckon 2021 df would have beat these 2.
Eli is similar speed to previous years.
Chase has stepped up.
Anderson isn't much faster then previously.
Look at Kenny if his 1st 4 laps is the same speed as 2016 speed but he cannot maintain it. Then 2016 Kenny would blow these guys away.
This battle is amazing but I don't think these guys are on some jesus level. Same eli better chase and no other good competition makes these guys look like they have found a new level.
kpiper wrote:
There is no way DF14 would have beaten these guys even if he came in fully healthy in my opinion. And how do you know Eli...
There is no way DF14 would have beaten these guys even if he came in fully healthy in my opinion. And how do you know Eli is not going faster? Eli says he is going the fastest he ever has.

One thing for sure, if Chase had not stepped it up Eli would have won the title already in a cakewalk. Even if Eli does not win it is very impressive for his first year on the YZ.
How do you know Dylan didn't get faster?
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VetRider97 8/28/2022 7:03pm
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Yup, we are watching greatness on both Eli and Chase's parts.

To see these 2 ride at this level and consistency and keep the series this close is epic. As fan's we are so lucky to be able to watch this.
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