Is this a bad idea?

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With the E dirt bike trend moving forward, it would seem, on paper, opening an indoor facility any where in Orange county would make sense? No noise, no exhaust, huge moto demographic? What do you guys think?
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Not-a-Fan 8/25/2022 9:53am
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Sure. Jace from gypsy tales brought this up, or maybe it was Townley. Its not a bad idea at all imo.
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I think it's a good idea. I think more indoor urban type facilities will be popping up as electric bikes become more prevalent.
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Zerofear66 wrote:
With the E dirt bike trend moving forward, it would seem, on paper, opening an indoor facility any where in Orange county would make sense? No...


With the E dirt bike trend moving forward, it would seem, on paper, opening an indoor facility any where in Orange county would make sense? No noise, no exhaust, huge moto demographic? What do you guys think?
O.C. E-Bike Indoor MX ! I like the idea.
Charging stations at the facility too. Smile
Probably could get more hefty entry fees the more you accommodate the riders/racers.

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I have been thinking of something similar on my property but for only mini riders on the KTM SX-E5 and the equivalents. If I kept the dust down the neighbors shouldn't have too much to complain about. Electric bikes only, parents wouldn't have to worry about their kids getting destroyed by a 450. Could essentially be open any time. Not sure if there are enough mini riders to support it though.
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JazzyJJ 8/25/2022 10:45am
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Why would you need an indoor facility in OC where the weather is almost optimal year around? Now if we're talking the midwest or something then the space may be worth it
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Dimblewambie 8/25/2022 10:49am
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Didn’t this idea nearly come true 10-20 years ago with the blimp hangars in Irvine?
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SteveUrchin 8/25/2022 11:04am
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Not sure why it has to be inside Orange County weather is good all year around indoors just seems more dangerous when someone goes flying of the track into a wall or pole.
Black Diesel Bomber 8/25/2022 11:04am
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It's a good idea but it's California and they will get you somehow...especially in OC. I would do heavy research on insurance policies and liability. It might be better to do it just outside the OC county lines. But if in OC, I would go the Country Club Moto Club route. High end customers who pay a nice membership for a nice place and if you can find a large enough space, then bike lockers would be cool. For example, for the OC executive type they would show up on a Friday after lunch and you would have their bike pulled from the locker and sitting on the stand. Gear up, ride for a couple hours, leave bike for you to wash (or not wash) and put back in their locker for storage. Executive leaves and does his regular Friday night activities after riding. There is a market for this, trust me. I take surfers who spend 7K for a day and a half to surf wave pools.

Have you heard about the new California 401k mandate for small businesses? Check it out...this state continues to fuck over business owners
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Black Diesel Bomber 8/25/2022 11:05am
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SteveUrchin wrote:
Not sure why it has to be inside Orange County weather is good all year around indoors just seems more dangerous when someone goes flying of...
Not sure why it has to be inside Orange County weather is good all year around indoors just seems more dangerous when someone goes flying of the track into a wall or pole.
It's hot, dry, and dusty all summer. I still ride a bit but I would much rather be indoors riding some groomed chocolate cake during the summer months.
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Build it and I’m there, well after I find an ebike to purchase.

However, having a building big enough for a track with enough outside parking would cost you a fortune (lease or purchase) in the landlocked OC.
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Dimblewambie wrote:
Didn’t this idea nearly come true 10-20 years ago with the blimp hangars in Irvine?
I was just about to post the same, yes someone tried to get it off the ground and it didn't fly. No pun intended Smile
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Dimblewambie wrote:
Didn’t this idea nearly come true 10-20 years ago with the blimp hangars in Irvine?
stone881 wrote:
I was just about to post the same, yes someone tried to get it off the ground and it didn't fly. No pun intended Smile
Weren’t they going to build the saddleback track there to I heard,then I heard they were going to build a new stadium for the angels and then that didn’t happen. Irvine company owns oc!
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I’d be good with Saddleback opening back up
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Xeno 8/25/2022 12:37pm
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An outdoor facility would be great, as long as there were lights (for those of us who actually work).

And it needs to be near a hospital and a taco stand.

Thanks!
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Cayden Thompson 8/25/2022 12:43pm
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Dimblewambie wrote:
Didn’t this idea nearly come true 10-20 years ago with the blimp hangars in Irvine?
Aren't those in Tustin?
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SteveUrchin wrote:
Not sure why it has to be inside Orange County weather is good all year around indoors just seems more dangerous when someone goes flying of...
Not sure why it has to be inside Orange County weather is good all year around indoors just seems more dangerous when someone goes flying of the track into a wall or pole.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
It's hot, dry, and dusty all summer. I still ride a bit but I would much rather be indoors riding some groomed chocolate cake during the...
It's hot, dry, and dusty all summer. I still ride a bit but I would much rather be indoors riding some groomed chocolate cake during the summer months.
The few indoor tracks up here in pac nw that where private owned. Where ghost towns during the nicer months. Busy in the winters.

We lost one of the indoor locations that had been around for a long time at this county fair. Because some guy crashed through the arena wall.
It was like steel sheeting not like it was concrete.

I've ridden and raced lots of arenacross stuff up here. It would be better outdoors.



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SteveUrchin 8/25/2022 1:34pm
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Dimblewambie wrote:
Didn’t this idea nearly come true 10-20 years ago with the blimp hangars in Irvine?
Cayden Thompson wrote:
Aren't those in Tustin?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
That's correct, it borders Irvine and is still in the OC.
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed to take that one down. you better drive a diesel with that name. I work for Cummins 🤣

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Black Diesel Bomber 8/25/2022 2:17pm
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Cayden Thompson wrote:
Aren't those in Tustin?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
That's correct, it borders Irvine and is still in the OC.
SteveUrchin wrote:
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed...
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed to take that one down. you better drive a diesel with that name. I work for Cummins 🤣
Nice, Cummins Cal Pacific? I have two blacked out Cummins (2nd Gen and 4th Gen). 2nd Gen is my favorite.



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Cayden Thompson wrote:
Aren't those in Tustin?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
That's correct, it borders Irvine and is still in the OC.
SteveUrchin wrote:
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed...
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed to take that one down. you better drive a diesel with that name. I work for Cummins 🤣
What do you do for Cummins?
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
That's correct, it borders Irvine and is still in the OC.
SteveUrchin wrote:
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed...
I can see them from my work if I walk out to the street… one is falling a apart and being held up they where supposed to take that one down. you better drive a diesel with that name. I work for Cummins 🤣
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Nice, Cummins Cal Pacific? I have two blacked out Cummins (2nd Gen and 4th Gen). 2nd Gen is my favorite. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/25/565540/s1200_2001_Dodge.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/25/565539/s1200_Diesel_Burnout.jpg[/img]
Nice, Cummins Cal Pacific? I have two blacked out Cummins (2nd Gen and 4th Gen). 2nd Gen is my favorite.



Badass!!! We are just considered Cummins Inc been some years since it’s been Cal Pacific!
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
It's a good idea but it's California and they will get you somehow...especially in OC. I would do heavy research on insurance policies and liability. It...
It's a good idea but it's California and they will get you somehow...especially in OC. I would do heavy research on insurance policies and liability. It might be better to do it just outside the OC county lines. But if in OC, I would go the Country Club Moto Club route. High end customers who pay a nice membership for a nice place and if you can find a large enough space, then bike lockers would be cool. For example, for the OC executive type they would show up on a Friday after lunch and you would have their bike pulled from the locker and sitting on the stand. Gear up, ride for a couple hours, leave bike for you to wash (or not wash) and put back in their locker for storage. Executive leaves and does his regular Friday night activities after riding. There is a market for this, trust me. I take surfers who spend 7K for a day and a half to surf wave pools.

Have you heard about the new California 401k mandate for small businesses? Check it out...this state continues to fuck over business owners
How does the 401k mandate fuck over business owners? There are free ways for businesses to participate, and it only adds a very minimal amount of time to the processing of payroll.
Black Diesel Bomber 8/26/2022 11:39am
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
It's a good idea but it's California and they will get you somehow...especially in OC. I would do heavy research on insurance policies and liability. It...
It's a good idea but it's California and they will get you somehow...especially in OC. I would do heavy research on insurance policies and liability. It might be better to do it just outside the OC county lines. But if in OC, I would go the Country Club Moto Club route. High end customers who pay a nice membership for a nice place and if you can find a large enough space, then bike lockers would be cool. For example, for the OC executive type they would show up on a Friday after lunch and you would have their bike pulled from the locker and sitting on the stand. Gear up, ride for a couple hours, leave bike for you to wash (or not wash) and put back in their locker for storage. Executive leaves and does his regular Friday night activities after riding. There is a market for this, trust me. I take surfers who spend 7K for a day and a half to surf wave pools.

Have you heard about the new California 401k mandate for small businesses? Check it out...this state continues to fuck over business owners
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How does the 401k mandate fuck over business owners? There are free ways for businesses to participate, and it only adds a very minimal amount of...
How does the 401k mandate fuck over business owners? There are free ways for businesses to participate, and it only adds a very minimal amount of time to the processing of payroll.
In several ways but start with administrative, accounting, plan management, etc. A lot of small businesses don't have the resources to deal with all the administrative tasks involved with rolling this out.

If you are a business owner you should know more time is spent on dealing with red tape, compliance, permits, insurance, EDD, etc than simply running your business..
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RichieW13 8/26/2022 11:50am
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
In several ways but start with administrative, accounting, plan management, etc. A lot of small businesses don't have the resources to deal with all the administrative...
In several ways but start with administrative, accounting, plan management, etc. A lot of small businesses don't have the resources to deal with all the administrative tasks involved with rolling this out.

If you are a business owner you should know more time is spent on dealing with red tape, compliance, permits, insurance, EDD, etc than simply running your business..
It looks like the state website for administering a 401k plan is free, and very simple to use.

If a company is using a payroll service (and a small business of 5+ employees probably should be), the incremental cost is pretty small.

It's maybe a little burdensome for the state to require small businesses to do this. But, it's far from "fucking them over".

...and it definitely shouldn't be considered a factor if somebody wants to open a new business.

"If you are a business owner you should know more time is spent on dealing with red tape, compliance, permits, insurance, EDD, etc than simply running your business.."

Come on. That's not true.
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Black Diesel Bomber 8/26/2022 12:02pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
In several ways but start with administrative, accounting, plan management, etc. A lot of small businesses don't have the resources to deal with all the administrative...
In several ways but start with administrative, accounting, plan management, etc. A lot of small businesses don't have the resources to deal with all the administrative tasks involved with rolling this out.

If you are a business owner you should know more time is spent on dealing with red tape, compliance, permits, insurance, EDD, etc than simply running your business..
RichieW13 wrote:
It looks like the state website for administering a 401k plan is free, and very simple to use. If a company is using a payroll service...
It looks like the state website for administering a 401k plan is free, and very simple to use.

If a company is using a payroll service (and a small business of 5+ employees probably should be), the incremental cost is pretty small.

It's maybe a little burdensome for the state to require small businesses to do this. But, it's far from "fucking them over".

...and it definitely shouldn't be considered a factor if somebody wants to open a new business.

"If you are a business owner you should know more time is spent on dealing with red tape, compliance, permits, insurance, EDD, etc than simply running your business.."

Come on. That's not true.
Do you own a business with at least a few employees?
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RichieW13 8/26/2022 12:04pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Do you own a business with at least a few employees?
Nope. But I handle the administration for one.
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Black Diesel Bomber 8/26/2022 12:13pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Do you own a business with at least a few employees?
RichieW13 wrote:
Nope. But I handle the administration for one.
Okay, come back to this thread after you've started your own business and have several employees in CA. For now, we can just agree to disagree.
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neverwas 8/26/2022 1:17pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Do you own a business with at least a few employees?
RichieW13 wrote:
Nope. But I handle the administration for one.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Okay, come back to this thread after you've started your own business and have several employees in CA. For now, we can just agree to disagree.
Black Diesel gets it.
No disrespect to Richie, but working for someone doing administrative work is far cry from owning and knowing all that goes into running a business. On the outside it looks easy, trust me it's anything but easy.
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RichieW13 8/26/2022 1:51pm
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RichieW13 wrote:
Nope. But I handle the administration for one.
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Okay, come back to this thread after you've started your own business and have several employees in CA. For now, we can just agree to disagree.
neverwas wrote:
Black Diesel gets it. No disrespect to Richie, but working for someone doing administrative work is far cry from owning and knowing all that goes into...
Black Diesel gets it.
No disrespect to Richie, but working for someone doing administrative work is far cry from owning and knowing all that goes into running a business. On the outside it looks easy, trust me it's anything but easy.
Part of my actual job is handling all these admin tasks related to running a business. I know exactly what is involved.
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