Chad Reeds' Track Closed

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8/24/2022 8:45am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2022 8:47am
why aren't any tracks using a hybrid model? meaning.. you have to pay monthly dues and get to ride every weekend without paying? so the membership would be say 160$ per person (40$ a week) and the track is open from sun up to sun down on the weekends sat/sun and on Tuesday's the pros have a different membership.


On the flip-side, why are us Motocrossers so damn cheap?
I mean to go play golf i'm dropping 60 - 100$ a round
Hockey is 30$ to skate for 1 hour, - stick time or pickup etc.
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8/24/2022 2:31pm
49weasel wrote:
False… A well ran track can rake in the money. Plessinger owns 2 tracks here in Ohio and does extremely well. I know plenty of track...
False…
A well ran track can rake in the money. Plessinger owns 2 tracks here in Ohio and does extremely well. I know plenty of track owners that do very well.
how do they make their money? how many riders per month ride there? how often do they race?

i always wanted to own a track but it seems like you need to do other things to get it to be profitable

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Lincoln Trail in Illinois seems to be trying to figure out how to keep their entries at a manageable number and not be forced to raise...
Lincoln Trail in Illinois seems to be trying to figure out how to keep their entries at a manageable number and not be forced to raise prices or cut laps. They just tried capping entries and it backfired, so they had to cut laps.
Casey is in a prime spot for racing though. They get riders from 3 states though that are all within 3.5 hours of them and mid Wisconsin, Cambridge ohio near the Pennsylvania border, Kansas city MO and Memphis Tennessee is only 4.5 -5hrs away. Chattanooga Tennessee/Georgia boarder is 6 hrs. Geographically they should never have empty gates in any class ever. I can't rember them not having massive turn outs in the last 22 year except for a couple that the people managing the place at the time were terrible.
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if anyone reading this thread is interested in starting a training facility please shoot me a pm as ive been looking and ready to start all year.
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9/5/2022 4:26pm
owning a track is a bad business it seems...

are any of them actually profitable..?
NFMX does ok. There's a lot of factors at play. Weather, gas prices, other local races and tracks open for practice. I don't believe it's possible to become independently wealthy owning and operating a track. NFMX has proven you can make a living, but retirement with a million bucks in the bank is not realistic. It's not easy work, and just operating a skid steer is expensive.
9/5/2022 4:33pm
owning a track is a bad business it seems...

are any of them actually profitable..?
stone881 wrote:
No they aren't, the exception being a facility like Glen Helen. The model simply isn't a sustainable one and so people open tracks out of passion...
No they aren't, the exception being a facility like Glen Helen. The model simply isn't a sustainable one and so people open tracks out of passion for the sport which gets eaten up by the money pit.

I studied this sort of thing in college and my family used to own a golf resort. The only way that you make money is through real estate and hospitality, the sporting facility itself is doing well if it breaks even. Imo, mx tracks will look much more like golf resorts in the future, like it or not.
49weasel wrote:
False… A well ran track can rake in the money. Plessinger owns 2 tracks here in Ohio and does extremely well. I know plenty of track...
False…
A well ran track can rake in the money. Plessinger owns 2 tracks here in Ohio and does extremely well. I know plenty of track owners that do very well.
Ok. Not at all calling you a liar, but have you seen Plessingers balance sheet? If you have not, how do you have any idea he's raking in the $?

Additionally, who are these "plenty of track owners" you know are doing well? How many are "plenty"?
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9/5/2022 4:51pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2022 4:54pm
stone881 wrote:
No they aren't, the exception being a facility like Glen Helen. The model simply isn't a sustainable one and so people open tracks out of passion...
No they aren't, the exception being a facility like Glen Helen. The model simply isn't a sustainable one and so people open tracks out of passion for the sport which gets eaten up by the money pit.

I studied this sort of thing in college and my family used to own a golf resort. The only way that you make money is through real estate and hospitality, the sporting facility itself is doing well if it breaks even. Imo, mx tracks will look much more like golf resorts in the future, like it or not.
49weasel wrote:
False… A well ran track can rake in the money. Plessinger owns 2 tracks here in Ohio and does extremely well. I know plenty of track...
False…
A well ran track can rake in the money. Plessinger owns 2 tracks here in Ohio and does extremely well. I know plenty of track owners that do very well.
Ok. Not at all calling you a liar, but have you seen Plessingers balance sheet? If you have not, how do you have any idea he's...
Ok. Not at all calling you a liar, but have you seen Plessingers balance sheet? If you have not, how do you have any idea he's raking in the $?

Additionally, who are these "plenty of track owners" you know are doing well? How many are "plenty"?
Well he paid 402 trails $200k + to build 2 tracks. All his equipment is paid for.
And yes I’m privy to some of his personal info.

I can name at least 5-8 tracks in Ohio where the owners don’t work and do well.

I sell equipment to tracks all over and when a track spends 30k cash on implements it’s a pretty good sign they’re doing just fine.
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9/5/2022 4:55pm
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Damn, so he and his partners bought one of the best family facilities for a moto dude in the CLT area and took it private, that sucks. Dirt World had a decent enough track for a moto guy to have fun on, but with some easier tracks and trails for wives/girlfriends/kids to ride, which is hard to find around here since TNT shut down.
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Big whoops for little 50 wheels, hitting them pretty fast too 👍
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CPR wrote:
Big whoops for little 50 wheels, hitting them pretty fast too 👍
They built a kids SX track for them to learn on. I think it's great. They get to learn the basics and techniques of SX without being intimidated all while limiting the injuries.

The sport seems to be trending in that direction,
so it makes sense if you ask me.
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9/8/2022 12:15am
Harbinger of the future.

A successful, safer, WSX will increase the participation in junior SX; to everyones benefit.
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Went south in 21 rode at club mx had an awesome time. Couldn’t go back in 22 it’s now a training facility. Went to moto 40 in 22 can’t go back in 23 it’s now a training facility. Not knocking either place for making the best decisions they should to grow, but definitely bummed to not be able to ride there again!
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CPR wrote:
Big whoops for little 50 wheels, hitting them pretty fast too 👍
-MAVERICK- wrote:
They built a kids SX track for them to learn on. I think it's great. They get to learn the basics and techniques of SX without...
They built a kids SX track for them to learn on. I think it's great. They get to learn the basics and techniques of SX without being intimidated all while limiting the injuries.

The sport seems to be trending in that direction,
so it makes sense if you ask me.
Australia used to have juniors race on the same track and day/ night as the national SX series for years. Mainly small arenacross style tracks, but it still gave young up and comers plenty of real experience.
Reedy was one of those Juniors ripping an 80 indoors back in the day. Guess it worked and he’s introducing his mob even younger.
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9/8/2022 4:16am
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Damn, so he and his partners bought one of the best family facilities for a moto dude in the CLT area and took it private, that...
Damn, so he and his partners bought one of the best family facilities for a moto dude in the CLT area and took it private, that sucks. Dirt World had a decent enough track for a moto guy to have fun on, but with some easier tracks and trails for wives/girlfriends/kids to ride, which is hard to find around here since TNT shut down.
Man, TNT was awesome! Miss that place.
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9/8/2022 7:28pm
Practice tracks are a real risk. There’s always that one guy that doesn’t sign the release, crashes on an easy single to table and sues you for a dangerous track design.
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9/8/2022 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 9/9/2022 1:51am
CPR wrote:
Australia used to have juniors race on the same track and day/ night as the national SX series for years. Mainly small arenacross style tracks, but...
Australia used to have juniors race on the same track and day/ night as the national SX series for years. Mainly small arenacross style tracks, but it still gave young up and comers plenty of real experience.
Reedy was one of those Juniors ripping an 80 indoors back in the day. Guess it worked and he’s introducing his mob even younger.
Not just the indoor ones. Newcastle Motordrome, Parramatta Speedway... You had '80s, Junior 125s, and C grade seniors too. So much carnage!

You would show up on the Friday, do a Stephen Gall course, and get your Supercross endorsement. So many kids/people that had no business being on those tracks.😂

*Privateers and local guys that were already endorsed would just pay the fee for the course so they could get time on the track.



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9/8/2022 8:56pm
So is this Two Two Academy thing just temporary? On Moto40’s last IG post, they specifically point out that they’re “taking a break,” not that they’re closing to the public for good…
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9/8/2022 9:12pm
49weasel wrote:
Well he paid 402 trails $200k + to build 2 tracks. All his equipment is paid for. And yes I’m privy to some of his personal...
Well he paid 402 trails $200k + to build 2 tracks. All his equipment is paid for.
And yes I’m privy to some of his personal info.

I can name at least 5-8 tracks in Ohio where the owners don’t work and do well.

I sell equipment to tracks all over and when a track spends 30k cash on implements it’s a pretty good sign they’re doing just fine.
Holy crap, >$200K to build 2 tracks? I have got to see these tracks, that seems like a crazy amount of money (or maybe I am out of touch, lol)
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9/8/2022 9:29pm
49weasel wrote:
Well he paid 402 trails $200k + to build 2 tracks. All his equipment is paid for. And yes I’m privy to some of his personal...
Well he paid 402 trails $200k + to build 2 tracks. All his equipment is paid for.
And yes I’m privy to some of his personal info.

I can name at least 5-8 tracks in Ohio where the owners don’t work and do well.

I sell equipment to tracks all over and when a track spends 30k cash on implements it’s a pretty good sign they’re doing just fine.
NorCal1975 wrote:
Holy crap, >$200K to build 2 tracks? I have got to see these tracks, that seems like a crazy amount of money (or maybe I am...
Holy crap, >$200K to build 2 tracks? I have got to see these tracks, that seems like a crazy amount of money (or maybe I am out of touch, lol)
I work at civil engineering firm. I am looking at numbers on jobs constantly. 200k sounds about right. Heavy machinery cost money, most people don’t realize the cost associated.

I’ve crunched the numbers every-way I can. Unless you can hold 3-4 big races a year like a LLQ, etc I just do not see how these guys turn profits.

If you have somewhere like monster mountain or have the perfect location like Lakewood and can get a National I could see it but you have to nail location, and still there are a lot of risk.

I live close to wildwood mx and goldenpines mx. Both of these place are amazing National caliber tracks. Every open practice I’ve been to they may have 40-60 people at most at 30$ a pop.
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Chad Reed’s stock is not real popular around here right now. His pissed off a lot of people with this.
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SX_336 wrote:
Chad Reed’s stock is not real popular around here right now. His pissed off a lot of people with this.
Chad comes off as an arrogant prick.
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9/9/2022 2:11am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2022 3:32am
CPR wrote:
Australia used to have juniors race on the same track and day/ night as the national SX series for years. Mainly small arenacross style tracks, but...
Australia used to have juniors race on the same track and day/ night as the national SX series for years. Mainly small arenacross style tracks, but it still gave young up and comers plenty of real experience.
Reedy was one of those Juniors ripping an 80 indoors back in the day. Guess it worked and he’s introducing his mob even younger.
EZZA 95B wrote:
Not just the indoor ones. Newcastle Motordrome, Parramatta Speedway... You had '80s, Junior 125s, and C grade seniors too. So much carnage! You would show up...
Not just the indoor ones. Newcastle Motordrome, Parramatta Speedway... You had '80s, Junior 125s, and C grade seniors too. So much carnage!

You would show up on the Friday, do a Stephen Gall course, and get your Supercross endorsement. So many kids/people that had no business being on those tracks.😂

*Privateers and local guys that were already endorsed would just pay the fee for the course so they could get time on the track.



Yeah remember all the ‘Stadium Motocross’s’, usually in speedways and show grounds. Flat bed semi trailers covered in dirt for tabletops, truckloads of hay bails and barely sufficient lighting. Carnage indeed! 😂
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9/9/2022 3:01am
SX_336 wrote:
Chad Reed’s stock is not real popular around here right now. His pissed off a lot of people with this.
When you own the track you can do with it what you please. While I don’t like it as well, not sure he would care about his “stock” with people he doesn’t know lol. He paid the money for the property, if he wants to close it completely and let it grow into weeds it’s his right. At least I think it still is?
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9/9/2022 4:17am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2022 4:42am
SX_336 wrote:
Chad Reed’s stock is not real popular around here right now. His pissed off a lot of people with this.
cwel11 wrote:
When you own the track you can do with it what you please. While I don’t like it as well, not sure he would care about...
When you own the track you can do with it what you please. While I don’t like it as well, not sure he would care about his “stock” with people he doesn’t know lol. He paid the money for the property, if he wants to close it completely and let it grow into weeds it’s his right. At least I think it still is?
The thing is, he took one of the only good family facilities around Charlotte, hyped up that he was buying it on social media (in typical Chad fashion) and closed it after a year, ultimately leaving us with one less place to ride. Reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman buys the amusement park just to ride the rides by himself, lol.

If he wanted a private track for himself and his kids, he could’ve built one anywhere in NC, without buying an existing facility just to shut it down.
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SX_336 wrote:
Chad Reed’s stock is not real popular around here right now. His pissed off a lot of people with this.
cwel11 wrote:
When you own the track you can do with it what you please. While I don’t like it as well, not sure he would care about...
When you own the track you can do with it what you please. While I don’t like it as well, not sure he would care about his “stock” with people he doesn’t know lol. He paid the money for the property, if he wants to close it completely and let it grow into weeds it’s his right. At least I think it still is?
The thing is, he took one of the only good family facilities around Charlotte, hyped up that he was buying it on social media (in typical...
The thing is, he took one of the only good family facilities around Charlotte, hyped up that he was buying it on social media (in typical Chad fashion) and closed it after a year, ultimately leaving us with one less place to ride. Reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman buys the amusement park just to ride the rides by himself, lol.

If he wanted a private track for himself and his kids, he could’ve built one anywhere in NC, without buying an existing facility just to shut it down.
I think it's unfair to assume he planned to do this. Maybe the public track wasn't what he thought it would be? This could happen in any business venture and he decided to change directions. Why did the previous owners sell it? Owning a track is like promoting races.....thankless. The number of people who complain about everything far outweighs those who don't.....not to mention everyone with their hand out wanting to get in for free, race for free, have you prep the track when it's closed etc etc. Training facility is a much better business model assuming there is enough demand and I don't think that will be a problem.
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9/9/2022 6:38am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2022 6:40am
I get you guys are mad…. Guess who’s to blame ????? The locals that stop showing up. The numbers were way down and it doesn’t make sense to be open right now. They do an excellent prep for you guys and that’s not free , 25-50 riders don’t cover the cost of anything.
They also have to buy water from the city to prep so there’s an extra expense that most tracks don’t have.

They’re not closing to the public for good just changing direction for a bit. I don’t know the details but I’d imagine some races / big events and some random open practices next year.

You guys have plenty of places to ride down there.
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I want to clear a few things up

#1 - Club MX has always been a training facility. In 2014 they opened a practice track open to the public regularly. It moved in 2018 to where it's at now. The practice facility has always had spotty schedules. They'll open regularly for a while then take a break. Not sure why they do that but there have been quite a few times that I've struggled to find places to ride because it wasn't open regularly.

#2 - Chad Reed didn't pushout a great facility and turn it private. Everybody HATED Dust World. It was only a matter of time before they closed their doors.

#3 - Moto40 I'm sure started feeling the effects of reduced turnouts because the hype died down and the dirt sucks. Their intermediate track was super easy and crowded. Lots of disparity in speed/skill level and just kind of dangerous. I rode 2 motos and decided it was just too sketchy.

The advanced track was ok, just super tight and not very long not to mention it's not very challenging. With that said the prep was ok if you got their early but the dirt sucks out there so equipment and prep costs I'm sure are not cheap. When you factor in there is a major saturation of tracks in the area, they're all fighting over the same rider base it's only a matter of time until the market "right sizes."
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Question for anybody in the know, and not just speculating...are they really opening a training facility, or are we basing this on the wording of "taking a break from the public." ? Has anyone spoken to a person who actually works there or with Chad himself.

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