Legal Action on bike claim

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Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 8:34pm
Ok guys, there are too many threads talking about what happened/different sides interviews etc…and wanted to seperate from that.

I wanted to talk about actual outcomes/legal options at this point from Brennans side, and what his options are

What are some possible outcomes or punishments possible? Can anyone legally be held accountable and is this actually criminal?
I am not an attorney nor am I savvy to the law when it comes to these situations, I just want to know what could actually come from the dozen threads and thousand of comments on this subject, can anyone actually go down or face penalties etc and can all of this info gathered be used in a court of law to ultimately help Brennan do what he was initially out to do?
Thanks ahead of time for any Insight as to what happens next
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8/16/2022 6:45am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 6:59am
Matt The Talker Walker allegedly committed a crime against Harris.
Per Harris's statements and Tennessee law.
Here is a simple explanation.

Will Harris prosecute? I highly doubt it.

If those alleged violent threats helped sway his decision to rescind out of fear for himself or others in his camp,motor builder,sponsors etc... There could possibly be some type of civil action against Walker, if Walker was found guilty.
Damages of all sorts etc..

If the Deegans or Yamaha solicited Walker to do what he allegedly did(like some think).
They could also possibly be prosecuted.
Just depends on if Walker said that is why he did it.
"The offered me this or asked me to put the fear of god in them"
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If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win.

Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did and it is unfortunate, but he ultimately did rescind the claim. A bunch of he said/they said isn't going to go too far in court I don't think. The companies involved need to take it as a learning lesson.

Possibly the only legal action I can see happening is with his sponsor, and even then he's probably better off buying his own bike or trying to get a ride for someone else. Though that may be hard due to the black ball effect.

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8/16/2022 6:55am
We Deff need another bike claim thread....
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Why did the AMA and MXSports allow anyone to harass or even talk to the kid in the first place? If someone puts in a claim, that person should be protected from harassment and threats immediately. It all should have been a very simple process according to the rule book.
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Brosho wrote:
Why did the AMA and MXSports allow anyone to harass or even talk to the kid in the first place? If someone puts in a claim...
Why did the AMA and MXSports allow anyone to harass or even talk to the kid in the first place? If someone puts in a claim, that person should be protected from harassment and threats immediately. It all should have been a very simple process according to the rule book.
because it is an unspoken rule not to claim a bike.Silly
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mx 219 wrote:
If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win. Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did...
If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win.

Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did and it is unfortunate, but he ultimately did rescind the claim. A bunch of he said/they said isn't going to go too far in court I don't think. The companies involved need to take it as a learning lesson.

Possibly the only legal action I can see happening is with his sponsor, and even then he's probably better off buying his own bike or trying to get a ride for someone else. Though that may be hard due to the black ball effect.

I just feel in the end the claim was made, piad, and receipt issued. I also feel that once claim is paid, there should be zero takebacks/deal done right then to avoid any of this in the future…I also feel as if star should build him a full am spec bike, AND the people involved at the “tent” should face some penalty as that’s where it seems to have crossed legal lines, Legally idk where it goes from here if anywhere.
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8/16/2022 7:10am
We Deff need another bike claim thread....
You don’t have to click on the title, you could believe it or not just scroll right past it.
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8/16/2022 7:15am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 7:16am
starts out by saying we have too many bike claim threads…. so he starts another bike claim thread 🤦‍♂️
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8/16/2022 7:16am
Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court!

This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and the other parties involved. There was a complete abuse of power which is ethically wrong especially against a minor. What's even worse is that the parties involved have done nothing to right their wrong. Star Yamaha should cut the kid a deal on a bike similar to Deegan's and offer a day of testing to dial it in for him, or something along those lines. I know they wouldn't want some of their "secret weapon" parts in the bike but at least sell him something reasonable for the money he was going to use to claim the bike.
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8/16/2022 7:25am
From why I take out of the different versions of the event, Brennan claimed the bike, then was gang banged into pulling out of the claim. I am in no way a legal expert, but to me if a bike is claimed according to the rules and not delivered to the claimant, then penalties associated with refusing to deliver the bike should be issued, end of story.
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8/16/2022 7:28am
One way to "fix" this is to make the claim process as anonymous as possible. No reason anyone needs to know who claimed a bike unless they make it public themselves. Harris walks in, lays claim to the bike and pays his money. Once confirmed, his info is given to AMA/Mx Sports and he leaves. AMA/Mx Sports then goes and collects the bike and places it in impound. The claimant can then retrieve the bike at a designated time set between him and the promoter or even have a pre-arranged 3rd party pick up the bike.

It's not perfect but it eliminates any possibility of tampering prior to bike delivery.

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mx 219 wrote:
If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win. Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did...
If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win.

Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did and it is unfortunate, but he ultimately did rescind the claim. A bunch of he said/they said isn't going to go too far in court I don't think. The companies involved need to take it as a learning lesson.

Possibly the only legal action I can see happening is with his sponsor, and even then he's probably better off buying his own bike or trying to get a ride for someone else. Though that may be hard due to the black ball effect.

as a win?

Those motors are a bribe... a pay-off... that has been admitted to by all parties... there is no "win' here..
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Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court! This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and...
Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court!

This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and the other parties involved. There was a complete abuse of power which is ethically wrong especially against a minor. What's even worse is that the parties involved have done nothing to right their wrong. Star Yamaha should cut the kid a deal on a bike similar to Deegan's and offer a day of testing to dial it in for him, or something along those lines. I know they wouldn't want some of their "secret weapon" parts in the bike but at least sell him something reasonable for the money he was going to use to claim the bike.
We don't need to take Walker to court..

after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident... and now this bullshit... WE need to blackball his ass... we the consumers.. the masses...

hope you podium some time soon walker... you ain't heard boos before like you are gonna hear the next time the public gets a shot at you... oh and of course, any company dumb enough to be associated with Walker- Fuck'em...

Walker will go down as one of the biggest, steaming pile of shits this industry has ever seen...

oh and DC... hiding is NOT helping you... just making it worse buddy... seems he really is trying to burn the whole thing to the ground now....
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8/16/2022 7:48am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 7:49am
Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court! This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and...
Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court!

This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and the other parties involved. There was a complete abuse of power which is ethically wrong especially against a minor. What's even worse is that the parties involved have done nothing to right their wrong. Star Yamaha should cut the kid a deal on a bike similar to Deegan's and offer a day of testing to dial it in for him, or something along those lines. I know they wouldn't want some of their "secret weapon" parts in the bike but at least sell him something reasonable for the money he was going to use to claim the bike.
gt80rider wrote:
We don't need to take Walker to court.. after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident...
We don't need to take Walker to court..

after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident... and now this bullshit... WE need to blackball his ass... we the consumers.. the masses...

hope you podium some time soon walker... you ain't heard boos before like you are gonna hear the next time the public gets a shot at you... oh and of course, any company dumb enough to be associated with Walker- Fuck'em...

Walker will go down as one of the biggest, steaming pile of shits this industry has ever seen...

oh and DC... hiding is NOT helping you... just making it worse buddy... seems he really is trying to burn the whole thing to the ground now....
Kevin Walker was the camera peepee-peeker guy. Not Matt.
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bvm111 wrote:
starts out by saying we have too many bike claim threads…. so he starts another bike claim thread 🤦‍♂️
Again, if you don’t want to partake in the thread move along. It’s easy, but to waste time with this is even more retarded. I’m just curious of the legal course from this point forward, we know the stories now and that’s what the other threads are about, this is to discuss path forward
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Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court! This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and...
Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court!

This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and the other parties involved. There was a complete abuse of power which is ethically wrong especially against a minor. What's even worse is that the parties involved have done nothing to right their wrong. Star Yamaha should cut the kid a deal on a bike similar to Deegan's and offer a day of testing to dial it in for him, or something along those lines. I know they wouldn't want some of their "secret weapon" parts in the bike but at least sell him something reasonable for the money he was going to use to claim the bike.
gt80rider wrote:
We don't need to take Walker to court.. after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident...
We don't need to take Walker to court..

after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident... and now this bullshit... WE need to blackball his ass... we the consumers.. the masses...

hope you podium some time soon walker... you ain't heard boos before like you are gonna hear the next time the public gets a shot at you... oh and of course, any company dumb enough to be associated with Walker- Fuck'em...

Walker will go down as one of the biggest, steaming pile of shits this industry has ever seen...

oh and DC... hiding is NOT helping you... just making it worse buddy... seems he really is trying to burn the whole thing to the ground now....
Hahahaha.... Bruh!
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Criminal liability is doubtful. Civil liability absolutely, hence DC's silence.
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Id be interested in legal ramifications, because as of now the industry has circulated their wagons and this is about to go away soon with zero accountability.
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mx 219 wrote:
If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win. Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did...
If he sees the motors he was promised he should take that as a win.

Did he get encouraged to retract the claim, yeah he did and it is unfortunate, but he ultimately did rescind the claim. A bunch of he said/they said isn't going to go too far in court I don't think. The companies involved need to take it as a learning lesson.

Possibly the only legal action I can see happening is with his sponsor, and even then he's probably better off buying his own bike or trying to get a ride for someone else. Though that may be hard due to the black ball effect.

gt80rider wrote:
as a win?

Those motors are a bribe... a pay-off... that has been admitted to by all parties... there is no "win' here..
This is my thought, extortion, bribery, intimidation on a minor, several legal issues in my eyes but again I’m not an attorney. I think with what’s already been admitted, if you start handing out subpoenas for version of events, testimonies etc that people in the know will start spilling much more to point directly at the real problem. If it ever got to that degree which (I hope it doesn’t if star builds a bike for him) and (ama issues some penalties) it will go away. But that would bring the truth, kinda turn the table and pressure them the way they did you type thing
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We need a bunch of these threads merged


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8/16/2022 8:11am
Maybe the deegans should and Tim cotter should take Brennan and the engine builder to court for misleading and lying about events and how they happen . Deegans can show since southwick from Brennans social media post that he had it out for the Deegans the whole time and was just jealous and envy of Hayden and was just tying to drag their name through the mud I’m sure his social media post about haiden would look very bad in court


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Holy shit! You guys all mini dads, or just got nothing else to bs about? The kid did whatever he did for whatever reason he did. Who cares, and what are you gonna do about it? Damn! Let’s talk about bikes and drop the drama. It has been keyboarded to death
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Maybe the deegans should and Tim cotter should take Brennan and the engine builder to court for misleading and lying about events and how they happen...
Maybe the deegans should and Tim cotter should take Brennan and the engine builder to court for misleading and lying about events and how they happen . Deegans can show since southwick from Brennans social media post that he had it out for the Deegans the whole time and was just jealous and envy of Hayden and was just tying to drag their name through the mud I’m sure his social media post about haiden would look very bad in court


Hilarious!!! That wouldnt last 1 second in court for the issue at hand. Irrelevant.
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8/16/2022 8:51am
It makes absolutely no difference what this kid has said on his social media !!! He followed the rules and paid the money that should be the end of the story. Big guys have been squeezing little guys out of their way since the beginning of the time and it always will be that way.
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8/16/2022 8:51am
Being that the kid was under 18 presents a lot of legal questions, the big one being; can a minor legally make a claim?

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8/16/2022 8:57am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 1:07pm
Kmiller125 wrote:
This is my thought, extortion, bribery, intimidation on a minor, several legal issues in my eyes but again I’m not an attorney. I think with what’s...
This is my thought, extortion, bribery, intimidation on a minor, several legal issues in my eyes but again I’m not an attorney. I think with what’s already been admitted, if you start handing out subpoenas for version of events, testimonies etc that people in the know will start spilling much more to point directly at the real problem. If it ever got to that degree which (I hope it doesn’t if star builds a bike for him) and (ama issues some penalties) it will go away. But that would bring the truth, kinda turn the table and pressure them the way they did you type thing


I don't think people realize how much civil lawsuits cost or that only in rare cases in America does one recoup the legal fees incurred to make the claim. You'd be deposing everyone, including the different people who have made content interviewing parties. I can't even imagine the costs just for cell phone ediscovery.

I can't tell you how many times people want blood, are convinced they need to make someone pay, and then start blanching when the $10,000 to $50,000 bills per month start flowing. Taking this to trial would probably be a couple hundred grand per party.

And it would settle, because people don't want to pay that money. And then you all don't get to know (as if a jury verdict one way or another wouldn't sway anyone's opinion now given how invested people are in this drama).

The first thing that I ask someone who want to sue is whether this is what he wants to do for the next couple years. The opportunity costs are immense. You really have to want to get even to embark on that if it is not going to reap a substantial return.

Criminal proceedings are entirely in the discretion of the prosecuting attorney.

So what would be a sensible resolution in that context. Set the kid up. Revise the rules to better provide explicitly what happens when the claim is made in terms of who speaks to whom and who makes decisions. It's too late to do that when the situation drops and people are agitated, which almost everyone here would be in those circumstances. Unless there is rule someone cannot be present, or must be present, it's to late to be making that up when things go down.
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Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court! This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and...
Let's start a GoFundMe to take Matt Walker to court!

This situation really strikes a nerve with me because of the power differential between Brennan and the other parties involved. There was a complete abuse of power which is ethically wrong especially against a minor. What's even worse is that the parties involved have done nothing to right their wrong. Star Yamaha should cut the kid a deal on a bike similar to Deegan's and offer a day of testing to dial it in for him, or something along those lines. I know they wouldn't want some of their "secret weapon" parts in the bike but at least sell him something reasonable for the money he was going to use to claim the bike.
gt80rider wrote:
We don't need to take Walker to court.. after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident...
We don't need to take Walker to court..

after his "whoops, didn't mean to leave a camera in the bathroom and video all those women/children/men" incident... and now this bullshit... WE need to blackball his ass... we the consumers.. the masses...

hope you podium some time soon walker... you ain't heard boos before like you are gonna hear the next time the public gets a shot at you... oh and of course, any company dumb enough to be associated with Walker- Fuck'em...

Walker will go down as one of the biggest, steaming pile of shits this industry has ever seen...

oh and DC... hiding is NOT helping you... just making it worse buddy... seems he really is trying to burn the whole thing to the ground now....
Hard to take you seriously when you can't even get your facts right. Wrong walker there mate.
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rbm33 wrote:
Criminal liability is doubtful. Civil liability absolutely, hence DC's silence.
From DC, on RacerX...

"Any rider in any class at Loretta Lynn’s has the right to claim another rider in the same race’s bike for double the MSRP (about $17K in the case of a ’22 YZ250F). Brennan Schofield knew the rules, saved up his own money and claimed another bike in the race, Haiden Deegan’s. The Deegans were upset because it’s apparently Haiden’s last amateur bike; Star Yamaha Racing were upset about it because a lot more than $17K goes into one of their bikes, as it’s no longer just the trick parts that make up a race package these days, but all of the ECU and data information and R&D and whatnot that a team like Star Yamaha Racing has invested in their program. In my personal opinion Haiden Deegan did not need a bike that was on par with what the pro riders will be using here at Unadilla tomorrow to win an amateur race, so it was risky for the team to send him out on a bike that they didn’t want to risk handing over to someone who claimed it, even if for double the price. I believe there needs to be a claiming rule for amateurs to help keep the playing field even, at least in regards to equipment, and I know Tim Cotter and Mike Burkeen feel the same way. And I can promise you neither cared whether the bike got claimed or not, they just wanted to make sure it was the rider’s decision, both to claim it and then later to un-claim it, and that it was all handled properly. That said, anything else that happened with this deal away from them and the MX Sports’ office trailer is a different story…"



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